I have just come to an important realization

[wyvrn]

Teachers don't like students with their own opinions. I have voiced my opinions in 3 separate classes as an experiment. The opinions were relatively innocuous, but I knew they were slightly different viewpoints than the professors had previously expressed. In all 3 classes, I was treated as if I had broken a sacred unspoken law. And that law, my friends, is that teachers don't want their students to think for themselves. Even when they tell you you should develop your own viewpoints!

Are grad school profs the same way?

 

[pyonir]

I got lower grades in a sociology class because i didn't agree with some of the prof's extremely liberal views. I learned in that class to just go with the flow.

 

[pulse8]

Maybe you're just an a$$hole?

 

[Amused]

Welcome to higher education in the US.

 

[her209]

English teachers are the same way. If you have a different writing style than what they like, then you are marked down. :|

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: her209
English teachers are the same way. If you have a different writing style than what they like, then you are marked down. :|

I had an English prof that was a femenist. I was a much better writer than some of the girls in my class (they were friends and i read their work) and I always got one full letter grade less than they did.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: her209
English teachers are the same way. If you have a different writing style than what they like, then you are marked down. :|

rofl - that's because there's a right and a wrong answer for English.

 

[KarenMarie]

My daughter is veggie and animal right since age 9. in jr high school she did not want to dissect, so the teacher partnered her with someone who didnt want to write the report. no problem. In HS however, she ran across an azzhat that verbally abused her, kicked her out of class and serioulsy violated her civil rights. the humane society went to bat for her, and donated alternative software, not only to her HS, but all 11 HS's in her country. no go, he would not let her in class to use it. Said horrible things to the class about her.

We got the news crews (teevee and print) and a lawyer and the school backed right down. She was on the news and everything. we made a deal with the school board that we would not sue, if they changed policy to say that any student who did not want to dissect must be provided with an alternative. When we left Nashville, they were changing the law for it.

She went thru hell, and even afterwards, he sat her in a corner and treated her like she an outcast.

I was really proud of her for standing up and taking hte hits, and there were loads of other kids that were thankful for her, too.

 

[shopbruin]

what classes were they? i've had some psycho super liberal "go ahead and report me i'll say it anyways!" professors.

 

[schizoid]

They don't like it when you accidentally pee on yourself in class too.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Sounds like your views are WRONG. I've never witness a professor get mad at a student for sharing views, even when the student is a grade A redneck. You probably go to some backwater school...

 

[zoiks]

I think that while not all teachers are bad, there are definitely some. You'll probably meet a few during your time at school.

 

[Crazymofo]

Originally posted by: schizoid
They don't like it when you accidentally pee on yourself in class too.

yea and they also don't like to wipe your ass for you either.

 

[PingSpike]

LOL, you're just coming to this realization now? When you do school work, don't do the work for the class...do the work for the PROFESSOR. Thats how you get good grades, by selling out the very prinipals they say they are trying to instill in you. Professors are largely arrogant fvck heads, just tell them what they want to hear and you'll do fine.

And if you don't like them, just cut the valve stems off their tires.

 

[wyvrn]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
My daughter is veggie and animal right since age 9. in jr high school she did not want to dissect, so the teacher partnered her with someone who didnt want to write the report. no problem. In HS however, she ran across an azzhat that verbally abused her, kicked her out of class and serioulsy violated her civil rights. the humane society went to bat for her, and donated alternative software, not only to her HS, but all 11 HS's in her country. no go, he would not let her in class to use it. Said horrible things to the class about her.

We got the news crews (teevee and print) and a lawyer and the school backed right down. She was on the news and everything. we made a deal with the school board that we would not sue, if they changed policy to say that any student who did not want to dissect must be provided with an alternative. When we left Nashville, they were changing the law for it.

She went thru hell, and even afterwards, he sat her in a corner and treated her like she an outcast.

I was really proud of her for standing up and taking hte hits, and there were loads of other kids that were thankful for her, too.

Wow that's an awesome story. I am sorry for what your daughter had to go through, but at least she was vindicated and had the guts to stand up for what she believed in.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: pyonir
I got lower grades in a sociology class because i didn't agree with some of the prof's extremely liberal views. I learned in that class to just go with the flow.

Yip same here. you didnt go to UND did you?

 

[dquan97]

Originally posted by: KarenMarie
My daughter is veggie and animal right since age 9. in jr high school she did not want to dissect, so the teacher partnered her with someone who didnt want to write the report. no problem. In HS however, she ran across an azzhat that verbally abused her, kicked her out of class and serioulsy violated her civil rights. the humane society went to bat for her, and donated alternative software, not only to her HS, but all 11 HS's in her country. no go, he would not let her in class to use it. Said horrible things to the class about her.

We got the news crews (teevee and print) and a lawyer and the school backed right down. She was on the news and everything. we made a deal with the school board that we would not sue, if they changed policy to say that any student who did not want to dissect must be provided with an alternative. When we left Nashville, they were changing the law for it.

She went thru hell, and even afterwards, he sat her in a corner and treated her like she an outcast.

I was really proud of her for standing up and taking hte hits, and there were loads of other kids that were thankful for her, too.

What was that class that she took in HS? Biology? Botany?

 

[Ronstang]

Doing good at school is all about marketing. Who is your target audience?........the PROFESSOR. Having an opinion is fine and I strongly advise it because if people didn't think for themselves everyone would be liberal pussies (but that is a whole other discussion) but remember to just regurgitate whatever the Prof says when he is in earshot and you gradepoint will stay high.

 

[wyvrn]

There were the typical wide range of responses in this thread. I thank you all for them.

I will just say a few things here to dispell some assumptions made by other posters. I am not an asshole I am actually a very nice guy and don't say much in class at all. I am a top notch student and make friends easily

The points I made in class were neccessarily about vague topics. For example, my Systems Analysis professor stated in a powerpoint slide (it was also in our book) that developing software solutions are more expensive than buying solutions off the shelf. The absolutist the way the point was made in both the text and in class bothered me, so I gave the prof and class an example of a software program one of my former employers bought that was total crap. The firm ended up using it's own solution, and the results were that it cost much less this way because the firm could adapt the software to the business. In my experience and research for another class, changing the business structure to match a commercially available software solution is in many cases more expensive than the development costs of a new program. I don't believe the text or the professor thought about this, so I wanted to share the point. My professor didn't argue specifically against my point, she basically gave me the "shrug off" and made some smart aleck comment. Seems like she wasn't open to new ideas after all, even though she makes a point of telling us we should participate more in class. Ha!

The school I go to is not backwater, it's the #6 research school in the US. In fact, one of our finance professors recently won paper of the year for his work on risk rates in the stock markets. I love this school for the fact the classes are challenging (read not watered-down) and the professors are all very intelligent.

Pingspike, that's a good point. I guess I always knew this subconciously, but it's disappointing to fully realize it. You would think that professors, being students themselves, would value looking at competing opinions and use them as an opportunity to teach more about a subject. But that doesn't seem to be the case in general. I do have a few professors that do like this kind of discussion in class, but they are in the minority.

This is an interesting discussion because I am considering going to grad school. I also have the option of working for 3-5 years and then starting my own business (which means I won't have time for school). I have to look at whether the learning experience in grad school is better or the same as one of the factors of my decision. Sometimes I enjoy just going to the library and reading articles on the Internet more than I do attending class and being "lectured" to.

BTW, before any more assumptions are made, I am an honors student (as of now, summa cum laude) and not a slacker.

 

[Nanotech]

Originally posted by: her209
English teachers are the same way. If you have a different writing style than what they like, then you are marked down. :|

Too True:disgust:

 

[esun]

I agree. Another thing teachers can't stand: if you point out they're wrong about something. It takes a really great teacher to be able to admit mistakes and to respect a student's opinion. I'm only in high school, but I feel the exact same way.

 

[Gravity]

You forgot, you are not there to learn, you are there to be molded in the image of your professors!

 

[LordSnailz]

I actually disagree with your point ... I think it is more cost effective to purchase a solution off the shelf vs. developing it internally.

I think it really depends on how big your company is and how invovled the solution is. Also, hardly will there be a solution out there that will fit your company's business structure, that's why you work with them to get it to where you want it. There are expections, but in general it is much harder to reinvent the wheel.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: wyvrn
Teachers don't like students with their own opinions. I have voiced my opinions in 3 separate classes as an experiment. The opinions were relatively innocuous, but I knew they were slightly different viewpoints than the professors had previously expressed. In all 3 classes, I was treated as if I had broken a sacred unspoken law. And that law, my friends, is that teachers don't want their students to think for themselves. Even when they tell you you should develop your own viewpoints!

Are grad school profs the same way?

welcome to the real world. soon all the sheer will you have will be beaten out of you and you'll become an important cog in the machine.

better squelch those opinions now. It will make life a lot easier on you.

 

[gopunk]

it's the #6 research school in the US

research in what?