I have been medication free for 4 days with no adverse effects.

dpearson

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I've been taking Cymbalta 60mg for depression for about 4 years now. For the last two years, I've been pretty much depression free (and by that, I mean clinical depression. I still get sad from time to time, which is normal) and my quality of life has never been higher. I've been feeling really good the last couple of years. So, I thought if I don't have any depression there isn't a need to take anti-depression meds, right?

So once I started feeling better, I talked to my psychiatrist about this and he said "I know you've been symptom free for a while now but I want you to keep taking the medication long term. I want your brain chemistry to be altered permanently in a way so that you're never depressed again." I said "No I want to be off these meds." He replies with "Okay, we'll start tapering you off it in a couple of months." A couple of months go by and I say "Okay it's been a couple of months, let's start tapering off." He says "Hmm, let's wait a few more months." He's been saying "wait a few more months" for two years now and I'm tired of it.

So I stopped keeping my appointments with him (which, by the way, is a 160 mile drive, I usually have to miss a class or two to see him) and asked my regular doctor if he could help me taper off the Cymbalta. He's okay with that and has the nurse come back with a brown paper bag with 4 bottles of Cymbalta samples (7 30mg capsules per bottle). He told me to take the first 14 doses once a day every day, and the rest when I felt I needed them.

You might be wondering why I don't just go cold turkey. Well with Cymbalta, if you go more than 2 days without a dose, you start getting irritable and you sleep like you're in a coma (I think I slept for 18 hours once while trying to go off it). But the worst part is the brain shocks. When I first started getting them I called them pulsating headaches, but once I did some research I found out they were called brain shocks. A brain shock is...weird. It interrupts your thinking and at times can be painful and is almost always disorienting. Pretty much anything and everything sets them off: any kind of sensory input, muscle movement, and thoughts will trigger a brain shock. Eventually it gets to the point where you're laying in bed with the lights off trying to keep your mind and body as still as possible. But sometimes you get a brain shock anyway. The longest I've gone without a dose is 4 days, so I don't know if it's possible to quit cold turkey.

You might be asking why I don't taper off the meds myself. Just break the pill in half, right? It doesn't work that way. Cymbalta consists of tiny beads inside a capsule (540 beads in a 60mg dose, so 9 beads per mg). Withdrawal support websites recommend you take 5mg off the daily dose every two weeks. That just isn't practical for me. I can't be hovering over my meds each day for the first two weeks, trying to pour out 45 beads, and cursing when I pour the whole damn thing out. For one, it would look suspicious and my family would give me hell about trying to taper off. They want me to listen to the psychiatrist and stay on the meds. My dad suggested I think of it like taking a vitamin. Well fuck that, if the medicine has done its god damned job there's no reason for me to take it anymore.

And it gets expensive too. With insurance, it's $60 for a month's dose. My pharmacy lists how much money the prescription would be without insurance, and it's around $400.

So yeah, I'm pretty happy that I've gone 4 days without a brain shock so far. Also I hope this thread serves as a lesson to research whatever your doctor is prescribing you. Especially psych meds. You may end up becoming dependent on them like I did.
 
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Azraele

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Good for you for going to your reg doc for help with this. Hope it all works out for you. :)
 

Modelworks

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Cymbalta is one of the easier meds to stop taking. I take effexor and stopping it is not something anyone should do without really understanding it. People have compared effexor withdrawal to being worse than quitting heroin . It has an 18 hour half life so missing doses effects someone quickly. I think drug companies need to be more upfront about this. They tell you the side effects of taking it but rarely disclose what happens when you stop taking it.

You are doing it right by keeping a doctor involved. Most people try to do it on their own and just stop taking it. I knew someone who missed just 3 days of their AD , her life was going fine, no stress, by the 3rd day she was crying uncontrollably and suicidal. She refilled the RX wand withing 2 days was fine again.

These drugs alter the brain chemistry and so your brain expects that chemical to be there. If you take it away instantly without time to adapt then the brain goes into distress.


The idea that I feel great so I can stop taking the meds is one that gets a lot of people admitted to a hospital. If you have a history of depression then there is nothing wrong with continuing to take the meds . Depression is a biological condition just like diabetes. No shame in taking an AD.
 
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h8red

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don't get too discouraged if you start getting side effects from being off the meds. It seems like you may have come off too quickly. You may need to go back on the meds again for a short period of time and go off more slowly (instead of taking 2 weeks to come off it may take ~2 months). Good luck!
 

jemcam

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I went off Zoloft by myself after taking it 15 years or so. My fuckwad Psychiatrist wouldn't support me going off of it so I tapered off all by myself. I did it by cutting the dose in half for a couple of weeks, then took that half dose every other day. After a couple of weeks on the half dose every other day, I dropped it altogether. It was NOT as easy as I thought it would be. I experienced brain shocks for a month. The first two weeks it was frequent and I didn't think it would ever stop. By the third week, it was starting to diminish.

I was somewhat emotional for a couple of months after that. I never got depressed or angry, but the weird thing was I would catch myself crying at stuff like movies which I had not experienced in years. Eventually that passed too.

I've been completely medication free for over 3 years now and I feel great. Those anti-depressants are powerful. It's weird because you hardly feel any different when taking it.

Fucking psychiatrists. They want you taking that shit forever and their $125, 10 minute quarterly consult fees to renew your scripts. Assholes.
 

rudder

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Took me 4 months to get off cymblata. I was taking it due to neuropathic pain. Too many bad, bad side effects. Getting off it was hell.

I started by taking it every other day and slowly stepping down the dose (which is hella hard with beads).
 

dpearson

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I'm not against the use of psych meds but they are waaay overprescribed. They're a tool to be used only as a last resort, in my opinion.

Also I want to dog on my psychiatrist again. When I needed a refill, which was each month, I would have to call the medical center and leave a message listing my name, birthdate, phone number, pharmacy name, pharmacy phone number, medication name and dosage, and doctor name. You know, nothing they would have on file or anything.

And they would take a damn week to get around to actually calling the pharmacy and authorize my refill. I can't request the refill too early either, the doctor will be all "You still have 3 weeks left on that prescription. Call again when you have a week's worth left."

The receptionists were really cool though. They knew my face and called me by my first name.
 

BoomerD

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How the hell does ATOT have such a high number of "defective people?"

It seems like these forums are FULL of people taking meds for depression, social anxiety, bipolar disease, etc.

WTF?
 

Gothgar

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How the hell does ATOT have such a high number of "defective people?"

It seems like these forums are FULL of people taking meds for depression, social anxiety, bipolar disease, etc.

WTF?
does alcohol count?
 

jemcam

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How the hell does ATOT have such a high number of "defective people?"

It seems like these forums are FULL of people taking meds for depression, social anxiety, bipolar disease, etc.

WTF?


Anti-depressants are extremely common in the US. I large percentage of people take them. All I can say is I'm glad I quit taking them. I probably needed them when I started taking them in the early 90's, but I dealt with the issues that I had and it was time to move on.
 

Blackjack200

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How the hell does ATOT have such a high number of "defective people?"

It seems like these forums are FULL of people taking meds for depression, social anxiety, bipolar disease, etc.

WTF?

Antidepressants are the most prescribed medications in the country. Be glad if you don't need them. I wish I didn't.
 

GrantMeThePower

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I was a fucking idiot...my doc prescribed me cymbalta for anxiety ( i was actually just stressed about life at the time- work, family stuff, etc). It worked, i guess, but i did no research into what it really was.

When it came time to quit, i didn't even ask my doctor and just stopped taking it.

holy shit. It was much much worse than anything i'd ever experience. I've been with friends detoxing from heroin and alcohol...it was like that (60mg to zero cold turkey)

I couldn't keep it going. I had to start taking it again. ANd within 2 hours i felt better.

Thats when i started doing research. this stuff fucks you up. badly.

Over the next 6 months i started reducing my dosages. Taking out some of the beads. trying to go as long as i could without taking it. I put in a lot of effort and pain.

I've finally been off now for 14 days today, completly.

Congratulations to you, OP. I guess what im sayin is I feel your plight. It aint easy.
 

Rockinacoustic

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You seem to understand the seriousness of getting your body off an SSRI. Keep in touch with your doc and good luck :thumbsup:
 

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As someone who took effexor for anxiety attacks for a year, went off for a year, and is currently back on it (curse you random anxiety, fuuuuuuuuuu), I can't say I've ever had to go through horrible withdrawal. Maybe it's different if you take it for depression? Also, my psychiatrist must be the exception to the rule, because every time I visit him, we usually talk about when to get off the meds and how to do it. Shoot, I'm usually the one who's not so gung-ho about it, seeing as I have no problem with taking meds to stop anxiety attacks. Anyone who's had one can identify with me, surely. Those things are just terrible.
 

Modelworks

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As someone who took effexor for anxiety attacks for a year, went off for a year, and is currently back on it (curse you random anxiety, fuuuuuuuuuu), I can't say I've ever had to go through horrible withdrawal. Maybe it's different if you take it for depression?

Dosage has a lot to do with it. The dosage used for depression can be pretty high. Currently I take 300mg of the XR . If I stop taking it suddenly by the 3rd day I'm nauseated, cold sweats with dizziness . If I wait 4 days the same symptoms continue but I also can't sleep, heart rate increases and it gets worse the longer I go without it. I found this out by accident when I was unable to get in touch with the doc for a refill and it ran out on a holiday weekend. I had to go to the emergency room to get some from a doc there. A couple hours after taking it again the symptoms went away.

They need to clearly label this stuff.
 

Scionix

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Dosage has a lot to do with it. The dosage used for depression can be pretty high. Currently I take 300mg of the XR . If I stop taking it suddenly by the 3rd day I'm nauseated, cold sweats with dizziness . If I wait 4 days the same symptoms continue but I also can't sleep, heart rate increases and it gets worse the longer I go without it. I found this out by accident when I was unable to get in touch with the doc for a refill and it ran out on a holiday weekend. I had to go to the emergency room to get some from a doc there. A couple hours after taking it again the symptoms went away.

They need to clearly label this stuff.

Ah. I only take 75mg of it. I'm a pretty small guy :D