I have an odd situation with a girl....

hpkeeper

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I've known this girl for about 3 months... towards the end of the first semester just before our christmas break I asked her out and since then we've been dating for about a month and a half. During that time, we saw each other nearly every day except for a week that she went on vacation with her family... otherwise the rest of the time I was usually with her and the two of us really clicked, we did when we first met... not only do we click but we're extremely open with each other and we're each others best friends, there is not a single thing she doesn't know about me or that I don't know about her. It's a relationship that would seem to go on forever...

About a week ago... maybe longer college started back up and she started to pull away from me, something was up, like I had done something wrong. The problem is... I didn't do anything wrong. I asked her what was going on... why she was acting the way she was and she said that she thought that we should see other people she "needed her space", she said that she simply didn't have time for a boyfriend. This wasn't a problem for me, I was quite content with the decision because I need to focus on my studies as well... it's not the title of "girlfriend" that I feared to lose... it was the title of best friend... I knew that if she couldn't see me when I was her boyfriend, she wasn't going to put more of an effort out to see me when I wasn't. Despite the controversy in my head, I went along with the decision that she had made... I'm an idiot though and I must look further into things because the feeling that she gave me wasn't a feeling like she didn't have time for me, it was a feeling that she didn't want to be with me at all. She is taking 14 credit hours this semester, which really isn't that many... but her course load I believe consists of Chemistry, Advanced Medical Terminology, English 102, Psychology and something else... not easy courses by any stretch of the imagination, not only does she have tough courses but she's a bartender at the tavern that her family owns, she usually works mon, tues, weds, saturday mornings, sunday afternoons and any night that there is a band, on top of that, her schedule conflicts with mine, so it's rare that our breaks match up, if they match up at all. I happen to be a roadie for a local band (which is how I first met her, we played in her bar). I set the band equipment up, take it down, I run the sound, lights and pyrotechnics to the best of my ability, so when she isn't working on the weekend, usually I am. So it wasn't like her excuse of lack of time to see me wasn't believable.

I was bothered still, on a couple occasions when I was with her at her house guys that had seen her at her bar or out at other bars would call her house or the bar and ask for her and ask her on dates. Guys have actually asked her on dates right in front of me when I've been out at a bar with her... I'm not sure if they're hammered off of their ass or if they simply don't care, but in either event she'd point to me and tell them the story. These things at first bothered me but I got used to it... there where some frequent callers that started to aggitate me. One of them called when I was with her and she said that she'd call him back later... which didn't make me too happy... that kind of made it seem like she was helping this guy along, never-the-less I pushed it aside. Due to the nature of both our occupations, the two of us have a high trust in each other, she's behind the bar getting hit on, and usually tipped high... depending on how much the guy likes her, and usually when I'm with the band I'm also out with the female drunk hoodlums that are looking for dates... who hit on me... so if the two of us don't have trust we don't have anything.

Being the inquisitive fool that I am, I decided to get on her case and ask her about what was going on, why things suddenly just dropped off, she claimed she didn't have feelings for me anymore, and if this had anything to do with any of the guys that called her. I had not asked her any of these questions face to face or over the phone because she simply "didn't have time" to see me. So I asked her these questions via e-mail. So the questions I asked, she simply evaded or gave me a half answer to. Fearing that she would get irritated with my constant interrogation I stopped e-mailing her completely, taking into consideration that she needed her space, I stopped the e-mailing and decided that when she felt like she could/wanted to talk to me, she would reply to my e-mails or call me or something of that nature. I had seen her on campus a few times but my heart just sank and my heart ached when I saw her, she waved and smiled when she saw me, usually I would wave back, but I only couldn't manage anything but a dissapointed look upon my face and she knew it bothered me to see her...

About two days ago she called me up and told me that she wanted to talk to me in person, to see me face to face, and that she wanted to meet my on campus. Yesterday we met and it seemed as if nothing had changed between us as far as communication goes. Despite her claim that she didn't know if she had any feeling for me at all, my thoughts seemed to contradict that with the way she carried herself throughout our conversation. I asked her questions as to why this all came about, and if this was the end... if I would never have a chance to be with her again, I asked her if some other guy had come into the picture and she was just keeping me around to be nice. She explained the whole scheduling thing and work and whatnot, and that the guys that called her where jerks and that they didn't have a snowballs chance in hell... yet she once again avoided my question as to "is this it?" We're brutally honest with each other, so everything she said I believed. Not to jump to any conclusion but this girl is like my dream girl, she's hot... I can talk with her, and she's my best friend, what else could I ask for?

Despite my demotion from "boyfriend" to "Friend", the conversation went really well and the pit in my stomach, and the heart ache has dwindled into nothing. Time went by and it was nearing time for me to go to class, our conversation had slowed down and I guess the it would be described as "silence is a sign of comfort". I told her that I had to go to class and I started to walk away, she told me to hold up for a few minutes... so I sat back down. She kind of seemed to stall for a second, like she just called me back so that I wouldn't leave, eventually she said to me that I was the "Sweetest guy" she's ever gone out with... now as nice of a guy that I am, I have to be a prick on occasion so I replied with.... "the why the am I where I am....? Nice guys finish last I guess...." she couldn't answer me. She sat there and kind of spat and sputtered for a second and I began to walk away, she again called me back... despite my harsh comment, to my surprise she asked me to lunch, so I said sure and we're supposed to meet up this afternoon.

Now what do I do? this girl I've gone out with obviously has some feelings for me still... do I keep her on the backburner? the way I feel about her, she's pretty much on the front burner... yet she doesn't want to be there because of her studies (Or so I believe). Do I wait this out until the end of the semester and once school ends, ask her out again? do I search for other girls? all the girls that I seem to look at right now are of no comparison to her looks wise and I know that personality wise it would take me forever to get to where I am with her, so in my head it's rather pointless concept to go looking for other people. If her statement holds true, it's not like she's looking for a boyfriend right now, so I'm kind of at an impass. Like I said before, she's my new recently aquired best friend and I can talk to her about anything, wether we're going out or not, I know that you are all thinking that best friends dating isn't a good idea, but we weren't best friends before our relationship started so nothing has been ruined, the dust settled and this is where I'm at. Does anyone have any advice as to how I should go about this situation? I'm definately way still interested in her, after only knowing her only 3 months, it's hard to believe that this is the end of all relations with her.

Please help...

P.S. - I'm not home right now, I'm on campus, I know the un-written rules of the ATOT forum about pics, and as soon as I get home I'll scan a couple pictures of her and hook you guys up.
 

6TNINE

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Dude, you obviously were to nice to her in the past, girls always want what they can't have. You gotta be a prick to her time to time.
 

Russ

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<< I have an odd situation with a girl.... >>



Quit whining. Having any kind of "situation" with a girl means that you're doing better then 90% of the hairy-palmed little dorks around here.

Russ, NCNE
 

Hammer

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If you're just friends now, I would encourage you to date other women. Once she goes out with a few jerks and realizes she had a good thing going she may come back, don't count on it though. Live you life and if it happens it happens. Good luck bro.
 

thereds

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I would suggest that at lunch you come flat out blunt to her. Tell her what you want and how you feel about her. You would rather have her know exactly what and how you feel about her and if she doesn't feel the same thing for you, well you can start fishing in a different pond. The only way to truly have this girl as yours is to explicitly let her know the way you feel about her and how things have sucked when you weren't with her. If, as you say, she truly has feelings for you, you telling her the above should reciprocate feelings from her towards you.

Good Luck, my man.
 

AreaCode707

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There's nothing you can do unless she gives you a straight answer. You've asked her straight out, it seems like, and she's evading. Ask what exactly her ideal situation for the two of you would be right now and find out, honestly, what she wants. If it's something that you see working for you (i.e. friends for now, dating when less busy, friends only, etc.) agree. If not, negotiate to work it out or accept things as they are, since she won't change her decision at the moment. Just ask her flat out and expect an honest, non-evasive answer. If she gives you one, call her on it until she'll be open.
 

Arschloch

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I have never been in a similar situation so I can't relate directly. However, my advice would be the same as what thereds said. Essentially, if you flat out tell her exactly how you feel and be blunt about it, then there's a good chance it'll go one way or the other -- either you'll start up a relationship again, or it'll be the end of everything. I don't know if you want that, because it sounds that you still want her as a friend. But if you just let it drag along, sure you'll still be friends, but man, you'll be torturing yourself.

My college roommate was in a somewhat similar situation, except that he'd known this girl for several years, and they'd dated a few times. So he finally decided that he just wanted it to go one way or the other -- either date again, or end everything. So he told her everything. She didn't feel the same way, so they've barely spoken at all since. It sucks to lose the friendship, but at least he stopped torturing himself with her.
 

pyonir

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<< If you're just friends now, I would encourage you to date other women. Once she goes out with a few jerks and realizes she had a good thing going she may come back, don't count on it though. Live you life and if it happens it happens. Good luck bro. >>


i have to agree with hammer here. like he said though...don't count on her coming back. i was in a situation VERY similar to the one you are in, and i wouldn't press her anymore about how you feel and why she feels this way. my ex couldn't tell me, and she still doesn't know. i haven't talked to her in about six months and i think that is better for me that way. you are best friends with this girl, so i would keep that going (or try at least). i don't know man, my ex wanted to do the lunch thing a few times and i just couldn't do it. it hurt to be with her if i couldn't be "with" her ya know? maybe that is different for you and the more power to ya for that. but i wouldn't expect her to come back to the intimate relationship side of things. i just don't think that is going to happen. but who knows...stranger things have happened. Good luck bro and all the best to ya...
 

Kev

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she will continue to play mind games with you if you give her the chance. she obviously likes playing with people's minds from how you described her actions at the bar. just give up on dating her. sorry to be so blunt.
 

weezergirl

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I think if you really think this girl is worth it just take whatever she will give you. (go out to lunch with her etc) Maybe she is scared of a relationship? I dunno, it seems like she really likes you tho but for some reason something is holding her back. Go after her, and if it doesnt' work out oh well. but if it does, it'll be worth it! some people need a little more time to realize things, if she is showing u any interest don't back down. but give her room as well.
 

Nitemare

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The buck stops here..put it all on the table..

"Are we or aren't we dating?"

Either get a good answer or a kick in the cahones
 

Hammer

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No offense to weezergirl, but she is biased. :) DO NOT put yourself in that situation under any circumstances. Bad idea, you'll regret it, guaranteed.



<< I think if you really think this girl is worth it just take whatever she will give you. >>

 

ajskydiver

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Tough situation...reminds me of the Seinfeld about having "hand"...crude but applicable in many ways.

We've established several facts about women here (and I agree with many of them) and how they pertain to you in this situation.

1. Women like a challenge -- you are not one
2. Women don't desire "nice" men (not until they get treated like feces and can appreciate the nice guy for who he is--this can take a very long time, and may not happen at all with some females) -- you are "nice"
3. Women want (don't we all) what they cannot have and do not want what they can have easily -- you're a known quantity and she can have you at any time

Not to mention the fact that you pursued her greatly when she "pulled away" and asked for space...not good for many reasons.

So, given the above facts, if you agree...it should be pretty obvious what you need to do.

If not, let me tell you what I would do...which you can ignore of course.

You pull away from her...give her all the space she wants (and tell her when she asks you anything next time..."You're right, I've realized I need space too...blah blah blah")

Stop fawning over her and asking what's wrong, etc.

Remove yourself entirely from her daily life.

This will accomplish a few things: namely, you keep your pride and self-respect (very important but many guys can't seem to figure this one out) AND you move on (or act like it).

She won't be able to figure out why you're disinterested (and may rekindle her interest) and may begin to seek you out...

Of course if she truly no longer has feelings for you...she's gone...but she's gone anyway AND you don't make a fool of yourself until she finally has the guts to tell you the truth (ie: likes/loves someone else)

If she's playing a game (probably not), you'll realize this and weigh it appropriately.

Continue to ask her what's wrong, let's be friends, blah blah blah AND you'll drive her away AND be a fool.

~AJ (record for longest post ever--but these "problems with fe/males" is a little out of hand and so many people around here need tons of help)

EDIT: clarify--longest post for me
 
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Dude, you seem to expect that "girl situations" are the exception to the rule. Fact is you WILL have "girl situations" for the rest of your life. All men do. Especially married men. Its a fact. Just roll with it.

 

weezergirl

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<< No offense to weezergirl, but she is biased. :) DO NOT put yourself in that situation under any circumstances. Bad idea, you'll regret it, guaranteed.



<< I think if you really think this girl is worth it just take whatever she will give you. >>

>>



yeah i am biased actuallly :p i think i'm a bit like the girl...if my bf didn't have the patience he had we woulnd't be together now (1+ years, and going strong). if he didn't, we'd both ahve missed out on an awesome relationship because i'm a dork when it comes to this stuff. but yeah, under normal circumstances you shouldn't put yourself in this position, you are very vulnerable and can be easily taken advantage of. but if the girl is of a good heart (and she should be if you really like her that much) than i think it's just a matter of being patient while she sorts out her feelings.

 

Nemesis77

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I have been in similar situation. The beginning with my GF was similar. We were close friends, but things just didn't seem to progress as far as any relationship was considered. She told me later that she already had a boyfriend and she was afraid to tell me. Now, that was situatin I had, yours is propably different.

How did I win her? To cut to the chase: I was persistent and patient. It took me about 1 year, but I finally won her :).
 

pyonir

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<< Tough situation...reminds me of the Seinfeld about having "hand"...crude but applicable in many ways.

We've established several facts about women here (and I agree with many of them) and how they pertain to you in this situation.

1. Women like a challenge -- you are not one
2. Women don't desire "nice" men (not until they get treated like feces and can appreciate the nice guy for who he is--this can take a very long time, and may not happen at all with some females) -- you are "nice"
3. Women want (don't we all) what they cannot have and do not want what they can have easily -- you're a known quantity and she can have you at any time

Not to mention the fact that you pursued her greatly when she "pulled away" and asked for space...not good for many reasons.

So, given the above facts, if you agree...it should be pretty obvious what you need to do.

If not, let me tell you what I would do...which you can ignore of course.

You pull away from her...give her all the space she wants (and tell her when she asks you anything next time..."You're right, I've realized I need space too...blah blah blah")

Stop fawning over her and asking what's wrong, etc.

Remove yourself entirely from her daily life.

This will accomplish a few things: namely, you keep your pride and self-respect (very important but many guys can't seem to figure this one out) AND you move on (or act like it).

She won't be able to figure out why you're disinterested (and may rekindle her interest) and may begin to seek you out...

Of course if she truly no longer has feelings for you...she's gone...but she's gone anyway AND you don't make a fool of yourself until she finally has the guts to tell you the truth (ie: likes/loves someone else)

If she's playing a game (probably not), you'll realize this and weigh it appropriately.

Continue to ask her what's wrong, let's be friends, blah blah blah AND you'll drive her away AND be a fool.

~AJ (record for longest post ever--but these "problems with fe/males" is a little out of hand and so many people around here need tons of help)

EDIT: clarify--longest post for me
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i completely and whole-heartedly agree. :)
 

ajskydiver

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<< yet she once again avoided my question as to "is this it?" We're brutally honest with each other, so everything she said I believed... >>


1. People don't just lose their feelings for each other -- there IS a reason and she's not telling you.
2. Brutally honest? Hardly, see above.
3. Avoiding your direct inquiry...why would she do this? (hint: it's probably to spare your feelings)

Many people have a very difficult time of being honest about a pending breakup/loss of interest...usually because they don't want to just rip you to shreds (although some enjoy it)...because their reason would usually hurt you very much.

There are so many variations to the "nice" breakup (when the truth is altogether different)

----it's not you it's me
----I need space
----we're going too fast
----you deserve better (than me)
----I can't handle this right now

I should translate those for you...but you'll learn on your own the hard way...everyone does eventually--either doing or hearing them.

~AJ
 

bigalt

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i was the guy who was taking whatever he could get. this woman, she... man she took my ego and ground it up into little bits and mixed it up in dog food and fed it to her dog and he crapped it out on the back lawn. i was a broken man. but oh she was amazing. it only lasted a little over a week because that's as long as i was in the same country as her.

it's a really frustrating place to be, and you have to be very patient and spineless in order to exist in. you're always wondering what she wants instead of what you want, and you stay awake late at night second guessing yourself and trying to figure out what she's thinking.

luckily the object of my affection is many thousands of miles away so I could resume my normal self afterwards. i can't imagine what it would do to a person over an extended period of time.
 

trulfe

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you should have begun, Dear Diary...

anyways, seems like you have a ton of feelings for this girl to write that much, i would give her her space for a while but make sure that you dont lose contact with her. old saying "if you care about someone let them go...if they come back it was meant to be". She knows who you are and thus being overly persistant might scare her off into avoiding you, but my suggestion would be to just let her know how you feel and then let her figure things out. If she isnt having interest in these other guys then she is probably just confused and needs to figure out what it was that she really liked about you and not the others:)
 

rahvin

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hammer nailed it. (pun intended). Leave the door open for her but move on and start dating other women. If you are out living your life she may realize she doesn't want to lose you or the door will eventually close in time. This would be the least painful for you if you don't let her jerk you around. Keep her in the friend zone till she insists on being more.
 

bgruver

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I think you should play the same game with her. Some girls don't like it when a guy "smothers" them. They may enjoy it at the time, but
once they have time to think about the situation, they change their mind. Maybe you should try playing the "avoidance" game with her. Set up a lunch with her and cancel at the last minute. Answer a phone call from her and say you can't talk right now and the that you'll try to call her back later, then "forget" to call her back. You have to make it a game. Maybe if they she sees that your not "puddy in her hands", she'll try hard to get you back. Play it cool and talk to other girls. Especially when she's around. If she sees you with other girls, and she has feelings for you, her jealously will take hold and make her want you even more. Plus you may actually find someone you really enjoy being with. I'm sure there are thousands of girls on campus. There has to be at least a dozen that qualify for you!

I wouldn't recommend telling her that she's perfect, beautiful, etc. She already knows that. I'm sure all the guys she meets tell her the same thing. You need to make her want you. Don't try to kiss her behind. That won't work. Girls need and want a challenge sometimes. Try to be her "challenge".
 

jaydee

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Take Aj_UF's first post very seriously. He knows what he's talking about. Bottom line is that you can't make yourself too available to her, or she'll walk all over you (whether it's what she intends on doing or not).

Edit: I loved that Seinfeld show, it's the truth too.

Edit2: Hey HP, where do you go to school now, doing any Track and Field this spring?