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I have a P4 & AMD Barton. Which is best for my gaming rig?

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CoasterGuy

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I have two complete setups as follows......

P4 2.6B (533 FSB)
ASUS P4P800 Deluxe (865PE chipset - Dual 333 DDR)
1 GB DDR 3200

&

AMD Athlon 2500+ (Barton)
MSI K7N2-L (nForce 2 chipset - Dual 400 DDR)
1 GB DDR 3200

I also have a GeForce 4 TI 4600 for the winning rig.

I currently have the AMD 2500+ (1850 MHz) OC'd to 3200+ (2200MHz) and 400 FSB - but haven't thoroughly tested it's stability. The P4 however, I have OC'd to 2800 w/ 600 FSB.

Which setup will give me the best performance in games and photo editing? The loosing machine will become my file server.

Please give reasons supporting your choice.

Thanks everyone.
 
To be honest, Ive never owned an Intel chip in my life... let alone a P4, so to avoid any bias and to give the best answer possible, id say try it yourself.

Pop in the GF4, run a few benchmarks, run a few applications, run some games and see how it feels to you.

If I had to guess, Id "ASSUME" that the AMD rig would be better at most games and Intel rig would be better that Applications.

Best way to tell is try it yourself.
 
I think for gaming, meaning video card plays a bigger role, Pentium 2.4C at 3.2 GHz is about as good as Barton 2500 at 2.3 GHz. That is about as much you could hope to overclock them on air, perhaps Pentium can go a tad higher to say 3.25-3.3 GHz, depending on the memory and motherboard. If you are editing movies and music, Pentium kicks Barton's ass no matter how hard you overclock Barton. But given the prices, Barton would be the way to go.
 
I have a close setup to the amd one, and I would between the 2 take the amd. But if you want true results pop the 4600 in each machine and do some 3dmarking and see which machine ends up the winner.
 
The AMD setup is pretty easily the winner. You have 3200+ levels competing against a 2800MHz P4 only at 600MHz fsb. If you had overclocked the P4 to 3200MHz or more with an 800MHz or so fsb, then the P4 would probably be the winner.
 
Originally posted by: joe2004
I think for gaming, meaning video card plays a bigger role, Pentium 2.4C at 3.2 GHz is about as good as Barton 2500 at 2.3 GHz. That is about as much you could hope to overclock them on air, perhaps Pentium can go a tad higher to say 3.25-3.3 GHz, depending on the memory and motherboard. If you are editing movies and music, Pentium kicks Barton's ass no matter how hard you overclock Barton. But given the prices, Barton would be the way to go.
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No, a 2.4C at 3.2Ghz is considerably faster than a Barton 2500+ at 2.3 Ghz. 10%-15%, maybe a bit more depending on the situation. The memory bandwidth and super high FSB are the "push over the cliff" if you will.

Originally posted by: MrEgo
The AMD setup is pretty easily the winner. You have 3200+ levels competing against a 2800MHz P4 only at 600MHz fsb. If you had overclocked the P4 to 3200MHz or more with an 800MHz or so fsb, then the P4 would probably be the winner.
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Yeah, I agree. The 2500+ at 2.2 GHz (3200+ speeds) will be faster. I don't think you would notice a major difference either way, but stick with the AMD though!

If it was an overclocked 2.6C chip, then the Intel would be faster. It's not, and the AMD is faster (especially at a paltry 2.8GHz 😉 ). It's that simple 🙂 .
 
No, a 2.4C at 3.2Ghz is considerably faster than a Barton 2500+ at 2.3 Ghz. 10%-15%, maybe a bit more depending on the situation. The memory bandwidth and super high FSB are the "push over the cliff" if you will.
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Don't know. My Epox 8RGA+ runs 216x10.5 with Barton and my Pentium 2.4C at 3.2 on Asus P4P800 are getting pretty much the same numbers on my Radeon, perhaps 100-200 marks better for Pentium. Certainly nothing close to 10-15%. More like 1%.
If you are talking about encoding (movie and music editing) then yes, you are right.
On the other hand my Epox with Barton beats my Asus with 2.4 by 3 seconds on 2 MB SuperPi, that is the raw power of processor and AMD pulls it off.
To have HT Pentium go faster than Barton you need SSE and SSE2 optimizations and many applications are not optimized as much as movie editing and rendering. I have the best of the both worlds and I like my Barton chances.
As said if you are editing movies and music files then the choice is Pentium, it wipes the floor with Barton, I don't dispute that.
 
The overclocked AMD at 3200+ is a hell of allot faster then the single channel overclocked P4 533FSB at 600 FSB !!!

Unless u had a P4 800 FSB CPU then dont wast your time with P4's AMD Bartons blow them away!

Its like asking whats faster ATI9700 Pro VS ATI9600XT .... the 9600XT runs at 500Mhz and the ATI9700 only runs at 325Mhz But the 9700 Pro blows it away !! same deal with these two CPU's

AMD Wins this time around ... 🙂
 
Originally posted by: videoclone
The overclocked AMD at 3200+ is a hell of allot faster then the single channel overclocked P4 533FSB at 600 FSB !!!
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My P4 board is NOT running single channel memory. It is dual channel running at 370 MHz.

Here are the current OC numbers.....

Asus P4P800 Deluxe
2.6 P4 (533 FSB) OC'd to 3.0 GHz (600 FSB)
1 Gb DDR 400 running at 370 MHz Dual Channel

And

MSI K7N2-L Delta
Barton 2500+ OC'd to 3200+ (400 FSB)
1 Gb DDR 400 running at 400 MHz Dual Channel


The AMD has had an issue locking up in random places like playing a QuickTime movie or running Sandra. Would upping the VCore a notch from stock help this situation? Would I need to get a new HSF to combat the increased heat from the VCore?

The Intel is running without a hitch with stock cooling.

I guess the bottom line is that these systems are running so close that I should just pick one and be done with it. One reason I am leaning in the Intel direction is because it still has upgradeability. I can get an 800 MHz FSB P4 and run the memory at a full 400 MHz and the board has SATA RAID on it already. Not to mention the great onboard sound.

 
Opps i missed the 800FSB board 😉 me bad!

Ahh well Go with the intel then ! 🙂
but if i was you i would install the games i want too play on both systems and stick with the system thats runs them the best !!! ....

With the AMD instability problem ... i can only get my 2500+ too 2Ghz 183FSB thats because i got mine when they first came out and they just wont go too 3200+ 2.2Ghz .... it could be your CPU cant do 200FSB Stable ... thats all .... its all about getting lucky when you buy a CPU .... some overclock good some dont ... you can try upping the Vcore by a little .. but if it does nothing dont bother going any higher cause its probably the limitation of the CPU

As for New heatsink / Fan .. it all depends on what your CPU is running at .... anything under 50c is fine ... 50c max .. with or without load ..... heat also couse's crashing lock ups but like i said your CPU may be maxed out at 2.2Ghz or it may be maxed out with FSB overclocking it maybe time to say hello too the multipliers.

 
OK, I upgraded.....

I got my sweaty hands on a new P4C 3GHz and an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. With the Asus P4P800 DLX, 1 GB 400 Dual DDR, and a Raptor drive this thing is kicking some serious AMD a$$. My Sandra scores almost doubled the AMD setup. With no OCing, I got a 3Dmark 2003 score of 5720.

I guess the AMD 2500+ is gonna be overkill for my file server, but oh well. You can never have too much power.
 
Originally posted by: CoasterGuy
OK, I upgraded.....

I got my sweaty hands on a new P4C 3GHz and an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. With the Asus P4P800 DLX, 1 GB 400 Dual DDR, and a Raptor drive this thing is kicking some serious AMD a$$. My Sandra scores almost doubled the AMD setup. With no OCing, I got a 3Dmark 2003 score of 5720.

I guess the AMD 2500+ is gonna be overkill for my file server, but oh well. You can never have too much power.
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Setup a File / Web / Gaming Server instead of just the file server 😀

Let us know the IP / Port wont you 😉 😛
 
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