I hate to say it, but Blizzard has become "The Man"

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GasX

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I love when self-righteous numbskulls tell us that the price on something POPULAR is out of whack.

Somebody needs to take "What to do when you break open your piggy bank for the first time 101"
 

Megatomic

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Trolling & putting down what you haven't tried and those who enjoy it = diversifying your knowledge & interests? :confused:
I'm posting in a very on-topic manner in this thread. I don't like the MMORPG genre of gaming, I don't see where I'm trolling.
:confused: is right.
 

Megatomic

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You know, I'd play an MMORPG if I only had to pay for 1 expense.

I'd happily pay for the game content (the game box in the store), or I'd pay the subscription fees. But not both. And if you have the money and the inclination to do so, then go ahead. Have fun. I won't condemn or ridicule you for doing it. I never have...
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: Megatomic
You know, I'd play an MMORPG if I only had to pay for 1 expense.

I'd happily pay for the game content (the game box in the store), or I'd pay the subscription fees. But not both. And if you have the money and the inclination to do so, then go ahead. Have fun. I won't condemn or ridicule you for doing it. I never have...
Calling players addicts is what, then? :confused:

Actually I'm glad many like yourself don't play. One of any MMORPG's biggest attraction is their low number of those young enough and/or lacking enough in intellect to have to put down what they know nothing about out of FUD. Equating it to battle.net shows just how little you know about the genre & what it takes to launch & maintain a MMOG.
 

AMDZen

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Although I agree with the OP, I also agree with what the others are saying. Which is why I would never, ever pick up an MMORPG and play it. They are raping gamers in the a$$ if you ask me.

I'd rather play CS:S which was a freebie for hours
Ignorance, bliss... yep.

The same could be said for someone who pays for a single game, over and over and over again. People that play an MMO need to get a g/f. Simple as that.

I've yet to meet a single WoW player who had much of a life, not saying its not possible, just highly irregular
 

Megatomic

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Originally posted by: GurckActually I'm glad many like yourself don't play. One of any MMORPG's biggest attraction is their low number of those young enough and/or lacking enough in intellect to have to put down what they know nothing about out of FUD. Equating it to battle.net shows just how little you know about the genre & what it takes to launch & maintain a MMOG.
Hahahaha, I'm neither too young or too stupid to play. And this is what I was talking about earlier, say something bad about your game de jour and watch you explode.

Just go play your game Gurck, does it really matter if we all like it?

ps - I don't care how much it costs to launch and maintain the game. I didn't have anything to do with them beginning the project, I have no responsibility for it's success. I don't give a rat's ass for their bottom line.

pss - I'd love to see a demographic of those playing MMORPGs. My guess is that there are tons of kid's who should be doing their homework or working part time to fund their social lives not playing games.
 

AMDZen

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Originally posted by: Megatomic
Originally posted by: GurckActually I'm glad many like yourself don't play. One of any MMORPG's biggest attraction is their low number of those young enough and/or lacking enough in intellect to have to put down what they know nothing about out of FUD. Equating it to battle.net shows just how little you know about the genre & what it takes to launch & maintain a MMOG.
Hahahaha, I'm neither too young or too stupid to play. And this is what I was talking about earlier, say something bad about your game de jour and watch you explode.

Just go play your game Gurck, does it really matter if we all like it?

ps - I don't care how much it costs to launch and maintain the game. I didn't have anything to do with them beginning the project, I have no responsibility for it's success. I don't give a rat's ass for their bottom line.

pss - I'd love to see a demographic of those playing MMORPGs. My guess is that there are tons of kid's who should be doing their homework or working part time to fund their social lives not playing games.

No doubt.

People have the nerve to critisize those who don't play MMO's? HehEh, I find this highly ironic considering the type of person who DOES play them. Like I said before, I have lots of geek friends, and the one's who play MMO's have the worst social lives. And can barely even hold down a job.

Seriously. I would compare some of the people who play WoW to others I know who are addicted to Meth. Or actually, a more apt comparisson is Heroin. Either way, MMO's are like a drug, I know people who play all night for days, getting 2 hours of sleep a night and can barely make it to work. Or school, or wherever they need to be. Its the same thing I see with alcoholics and junkies.

Laugh if you like, but its true. Get a GF dude, or at least go out and find a support group before you destroy what very few relationships you undoubtedly have. ;)
 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: AMDZen

Laugh if you like, but its true. Get a GF dude, or at least go out and find a support group before you destroy what very few relationships you undoubtedly have. ;)

If people that play MMOs cant get women then...
Then why is half of my guild married and 2 people i grouped with today had to log , one to pick up his gf and another had to go and help his g/f because she had fell and injured her knee?
 

AMDZen

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Originally posted by: GurckActually I'm glad many like yourself don't play. One of any MMORPG's biggest attraction is their low number of those young enough and/or lacking enough in intellect to have to put down what they know nothing about out of FUD. Equating it to battle.net shows just how little you know about the genre & what it takes to launch & maintain a MMOG.
Hahahaha, I'm neither too young or too stupid to play. And this is what I was talking about earlier, say something bad about your game de jour and watch you explode.

Just go play your game Gurck, does it really matter if we all like it?

ps - I don't care how much it costs to launch and maintain the game. I didn't have anything to do with them beginning the project, I have no responsibility for it's success. I don't give a rat's ass for their bottom line.

pss - I'd love to see a demographic of those playing MMORPGs. My guess is that there are tons of kid's who should be doing their homework or working part time to fund their social lives not playing games.

No doubt.

People have the nerve to critisize those who don't play MMO's? HehEh, I find this highly ironic considering the type of person who DOES play them. Like I said before, I have lots of geek friends, and the one's who play MMO's have the worst social lives. And can barely even hold down a job.

Seriously. I would compare some of the people who play WoW to others I know who are addicted to Meth. Or actually, a more apt comparisson is Heroin. Either way, MMO's are like a drug, I know people who play all night for days, getting 2 hours of sleep a night and can barely make it to work. Or school, or wherever they need to be. Its the same thing I see with alcoholics and junkies.

Laugh if you like, but its true. Get a GF dude, or at least go out and find a support group before you destroy what very few relationships you undoubtedly have. ;)

If people that play MMOs cant get women then...
Then why is half of my guild married and 2 people i grouped with today had to log , one to pick up his gf and another had to go and help his g/f because she had fell and injured her knee?

Hey, I'm only speaking of those that I know personally. And the trend I see, there are exceptions to every rule. Anyone who has a GF shouldn't have the time to play this game, and if they do, then chances are that a) their relationship isn't all that well off, or that b) he isn't getting his money's worth every month. The other exception to this is if the GF is a gamer, and plays this or something else while he is doing it. Or that the player has no job.

As for those who are married, well everyone knows that married couples have lost the magic. So those couples spend a lot of time doing their own thing. If you have a GF and your still at home playing WoW, then get up now and go lick that kittie.

moral of the story :: p00n >> w0w
 

Litchfield285

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lol yeah over half of my guild is married/engaged/in a serious relationship... i myself am actually engaged, in college, and have a stable job... i mean there are a ton of people who devote their lives to the game and do not lead a real social life, but thats not everyone... thats a dumb generalization to say that every person who plays mmos is a dork that has no life...

some of us can actual manage our regular lives and still enjoy an mmo on a regular basis at the same time...
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: AMDZen

Laugh if you like, but its true. Get a GF dude, or at least go out and find a support group before you destroy what very few relationships you undoubtedly have. ;)

If people that play MMOs cant get women then...
Then why is half of my guild married and 2 people i grouped with today had to log , one to pick up his gf and another had to go and help his g/f because she had fell and injured her knee?
Bout half my guild is married as well, and I broke off my last relationship because it was headed in that direction and I'll gouge my eyes out with a spork before getting married. Just more typical ATOT know-it-all 15 year olds spreading FUD.
 

Wingznut

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<--- Married, two kids, house, two cars, excellent career. :p


I think when Megatomic was talking about MMO addicts, he had a good point. Just read the message boards and you'll see. If a server goes down for an hour, it's like the end of the frickin' world to some of these people. And don't get me started about all the whiners complaining about their race/class being underpowered or whatever. :roll:


As for server issues with WoW, I guess I just am really lucky or something... In the three weeks I've been playing on Icecrown, there's only been one instance where I couldn't log on. So, I created another character on Argent Dawn and had fun there.

If you think one particular server is so bad, why not just start a character on another server?
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: NeoV
I can't stand people that complain about companies making money...your statement of "I will never pay for cable" tells me you are probably one of the direct-TV pirates, or you only pay for a cable modem connection but use it to watch TV anyway....you are also likely a software pirate by your stance.
i can't stand the forum Nazis. :p
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Originally posted by: Megatomic
I just love watching the MMORPG addicts get spun up over this stuff. It's like watching the atheists go rabid over deist threads in ATOT.
me too.
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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Megatomic
I just love watching the MMORPG addicts get spun up over this stuff. It's like watching the atheists go rabid over deist threads in ATOT.
That's odd, what I find so amazing is the interest those who profess not to be interested take in mmorpg threads. Most people simply don't click on threads which don't interest them, but the minds of trolls and CS 'k1dd13z' seem to work differently..
it's entertainment ;)
 

Dman877

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A movie ticket costs 8$ and that's for 2 hours of entertainment, most people play mmp's for 20 - 40 hours a week, do the math, it's a bargain. Also the badnwidth required to run a bunch (how many servers does WoW currently have?) 1000+ person servers is immensly expensive.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Dman877
A movie ticket costs 8$ and that's for 2 hours of entertainment, most people play mmp's for 20 - 40 hours a week, do the math, it's a bargain. Also the badnwidth required to run a bunch (how many servers does WoW currently have?) 1000+ person servers is immensly expensive.

That same movie is ~$4 to rent on DVD and you get the 'extras' . . . . if you watch lots of movies, you get netflix' or Hollywood's all-you-can-.watch program. . . .

see, there are alternatives ;)

Not with Blizzard's game . . . you wanna play, you gotta pay (what they charge you)

or find another MMOPRG . . .

to the OP . . . . i'd say as this game gets older and other equally awesome games are released, there will be competition in pricing . . . . likely there will be a steep drop in monthly fees as Xbox Next games come on-line . . .

i'd say Blizzard is trying to MAXimize their profits while the profit-taking is good. ;)
 

Modeps

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I come up with a whole going to the movies analogy and it gets completely ignored. :( It's on the first page. Then this guy dman comes in and steals my thunder! :|
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Modeps
Originally posted by: EpsiIon
Originally posted by: Modeps
Oh my God, PROFIT?!?! Thats so turrible! Any company that works towards a profit should rot!

*sigh* Apparently somebody doesn't do so well on reading comprehension tests...

Blizzard is maximizing their profit, which it has every right to do. In this case, however, it seems a bit excessive. I used to think of Blizzard as a company that made good games with excellent services at a reasonable price BECAUSE it wanted to provide its customers with the best possible playing experience. WoW causes me to seriously reconsider my opinion of the company and its motivations; $12/month may be standard, but it doesn't seem reasonable, given the guaranteed success of any Blizzard game.

They had an opportunity to be different and they didn't take it. It just disappoints me.


Lets take this out of the video game box and put a different spin on it. Seeing that the $12/mo is very close to how much people pay to see the latest flick in the theatres...

A movie costs $45 million dollars to make and show it to critics first (normal). The critics give the movie high acclaim calling it the "Casablanca of the 00's". People flock to it on dates, paying their $10 a ticket and love it.... They tell their friends and quickly the movie turns a huge profit in the movies. People go see the movie multiple times and this increases the profit of the movie. It's released on DVD after winning academy awards, and people pay $15 - $20 for it for years to come. In a few years, they release a criterion collection version of the DVD for $30.

By your logic, because the movie was released and was a smash, they should have done something to lower ticket prices, or the cost of the DVD so they would be 'nice' to everyone.

And that is for something that you watch. You dont interact with. There's no upkeep. There's no new content being added (exept perhaps on the DVDs). They're not fixing the boom mic that you see in certain shots...

Finally you mention that you dont know what the company's motivation is. I'll tell you what it is... THE BOTTOM LINE.

Ok, you're acknowledged. :p
:roll:
 

Modeps

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: Modeps
Originally posted by: EpsiIon
Originally posted by: Modeps
Oh my God, PROFIT?!?! Thats so turrible! Any company that works towards a profit should rot!

*sigh* Apparently somebody doesn't do so well on reading comprehension tests...

Blizzard is maximizing their profit, which it has every right to do. In this case, however, it seems a bit excessive. I used to think of Blizzard as a company that made good games with excellent services at a reasonable price BECAUSE it wanted to provide its customers with the best possible playing experience. WoW causes me to seriously reconsider my opinion of the company and its motivations; $12/month may be standard, but it doesn't seem reasonable, given the guaranteed success of any Blizzard game.

They had an opportunity to be different and they didn't take it. It just disappoints me.


Lets take this out of the video game box and put a different spin on it. Seeing that the $12/mo is very close to how much people pay to see the latest flick in the theatres...

A movie costs $45 million dollars to make and show it to critics first (normal). The critics give the movie high acclaim calling it the "Casablanca of the 00's". People flock to it on dates, paying their $10 a ticket and love it.... They tell their friends and quickly the movie turns a huge profit in the movies. People go see the movie multiple times and this increases the profit of the movie. It's released on DVD after winning academy awards, and people pay $15 - $20 for it for years to come. In a few years, they release a criterion collection version of the DVD for $30.

By your logic, because the movie was released and was a smash, they should have done something to lower ticket prices, or the cost of the DVD so they would be 'nice' to everyone.

And that is for something that you watch. You dont interact with. There's no upkeep. There's no new content being added (exept perhaps on the DVDs). They're not fixing the boom mic that you see in certain shots...

Finally you mention that you dont know what the company's motivation is. I'll tell you what it is... THE BOTTOM LINE.

Ok, you're acknowledged. :p
:roll:

huzzah! :)
 

Sunner

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Originally posted by: AMDZen
Originally posted by: Megatomic
Originally posted by: GurckActually I'm glad many like yourself don't play. One of any MMORPG's biggest attraction is their low number of those young enough and/or lacking enough in intellect to have to put down what they know nothing about out of FUD. Equating it to battle.net shows just how little you know about the genre & what it takes to launch & maintain a MMOG.
Hahahaha, I'm neither too young or too stupid to play. And this is what I was talking about earlier, say something bad about your game de jour and watch you explode.

Just go play your game Gurck, does it really matter if we all like it?

ps - I don't care how much it costs to launch and maintain the game. I didn't have anything to do with them beginning the project, I have no responsibility for it's success. I don't give a rat's ass for their bottom line.

pss - I'd love to see a demographic of those playing MMORPGs. My guess is that there are tons of kid's who should be doing their homework or working part time to fund their social lives not playing games.

No doubt.

People have the nerve to critisize those who don't play MMO's? HehEh, I find this highly ironic considering the type of person who DOES play them. Like I said before, I have lots of geek friends, and the one's who play MMO's have the worst social lives. And can barely even hold down a job.

Seriously. I would compare some of the people who play WoW to others I know who are addicted to Meth. Or actually, a more apt comparisson is Heroin. Either way, MMO's are like a drug, I know people who play all night for days, getting 2 hours of sleep a night and can barely make it to work. Or school, or wherever they need to be. Its the same thing I see with alcoholics and junkies.

Laugh if you like, but its true. Get a GF dude, or at least go out and find a support group before you destroy what very few relationships you undoubtedly have. ;)

Maybe you're the one with weird friends?
Obviously they're lacking in self discipline.

My average day is pretty much wake up, go to work, come home from work, go to the gym, come home from the gym, get something to eat, then comes time to do whatever I feel like, some days it's WoW, some days I just watch a movie, some days I drink some beer with my friends.
I have no problems keeping my gaming within reasonable levels, nor do I think I'm not getting my money's worth, but maybe that's because I have a job and can afford it?
 
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you can tell a lot about a person from the people he hangs out with

plz, do what makes you happy and dont try to tell other people what to do to find their own happiness
 

Schadenfroh

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Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
plz, do what makes you happy and dont try to tell other people what to do to find their own happiness

truer words have never been spoken
 

Megatomic

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Originally posted by: Wingznut
<--- Married, two kids, house, two cars, excellent career. :p


I think when Megatomic was talking about MMO addicts, he had a good point. Just read the message boards and you'll see. If a server goes down for an hour, it's like the end of the frickin' world to some of these people. And don't get me started about all the whiners complaining about their race/class being underpowered or whatever. :roll:


As for server issues with WoW, I guess I just am really lucky or something... In the three weeks I've been playing on Icecrown, there's only been one instance where I couldn't log on. So, I created another character on Argent Dawn and had fun there.

If you think one particular server is so bad, why not just start a character on another server?
Thanks Wingznut. I myself am married (13.9 years), 3 kids, house, 2 cars, awesome job, 1 dog, and 1 cat.
 

Megatomic

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Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
plz, do what makes you happy and dont try to tell other people what to do to find their own happiness

truer words have never been spoken
I expressed this myself on page 4.
And if you have the money and the inclination to do so, then go ahead. Have fun. I won't condemn or ridicule you for doing it. I never have...
 

Wingznut

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Originally posted by: Megatomic
Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
plz, do what makes you happy and dont try to tell other people what to do to find their own happiness

truer words have never been spoken
I expressed this myself on page 4.
And if you have the money and the inclination to do so, then go ahead. Have fun. I won't condemn or ridicule you for doing it. I never have...
Page 4??? Are you using the default forums settings???

n00b! :roll: