I hate programming

EKKC

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if you're in school. drop CS and do something else. Programming sucks. i have a CS degree, but somehow now i do financial modeling. WTF?
 

fbrdphreak

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I'm not in CS, THANK FVCKING GOD. I'm Computer/Electrical engineering. For some fvcking reason, we have to take three Java courses; the last of which I'm in now. I do not and will never need to fvcking program in Java, probably never in any language for that matter. But I'm stuck doing this stupid sh!t with linked lists and I've got a fvcking program due next week that I haven't started because I hate this sh!t that much. :|

EDIT And I did a bunch of # programming last year, it wasn't that bad. Programming for a microcontroller. But Java is just a bunch of sh!t
 

Hyperblaze

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Programming is fun (for me anyways).....

However, I never got into JAva. I'm more into scripting languages (perl, bash, php).

 

Jzero

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Java is in a lot embedded systems. Seems more apropo for CompE/EE than some other languages you might take.
Do you have to build your own linked list, or can you use the built-in linked list?
 

Garet Jax

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Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
I'm not in CS, THANK FVCKING GOD. I'm Computer/Electrical engineering. For some fvcking reason, we have to take three Java courses; the last of which I'm in now. I do not and will never need to fvcking program in Java, probably never in any language for that matter. But I'm stuck doing this stupid sh!t with linked lists and I've got a fvcking program due next week that I haven't started because I hate this sh!t that much. :|

EDIT And I did a bunch of # programming last year, it wasn't that bad. Programming for a microcontroller. But Java is just a bunch of sh!t

Why do you hate it so?
 

fbrdphreak

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Originally posted by: Jzero
Java is in a lot embedded systems. Seems more apropo for CompE/EE than some other languages you might take.
Do you have to build your own linked list, or can you use the built-in linked list?
There is a basic linked list code supplied. We've got to add a few functions to it I think and use it to manage some kind of mutual fund investment scenario. Like adding & removing investment funds from a stock portfolio or something. Stupid sh!t, I will NEVER use this in real life

I probably won't even use my engineering degree, I'll be more on the business side of the technology industry; not developing sh!t!!
 

fbrdphreak

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Originally posted by: Garet Jax
Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
I'm not in CS, THANK FVCKING GOD. I'm Computer/Electrical engineering. For some fvcking reason, we have to take three Java courses; the last of which I'm in now. I do not and will never need to fvcking program in Java, probably never in any language for that matter. But I'm stuck doing this stupid sh!t with linked lists and I've got a fvcking program due next week that I haven't started because I hate this sh!t that much. :|

EDIT And I did a bunch of # programming last year, it wasn't that bad. Programming for a microcontroller. But Java is just a bunch of sh!t

Why do you hate it so?
My problem is mainly that I'll never use this again ever. And yet it is a huge time consumer, boring as hell to me, and did I mention stupid? If I had the time to devote to learning a programming language, I wouldn't mind. But with so much other stuff to do (and all of it more important to me), regurgitating programming commands and half-getting-it-right for a semester only to forget it and never use it again just frustrates me.
 

lozina

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i love programming, especially in Java. C# is great too since it's virtually the same thing as Java but I'm not very fond of Microsoft's libraries compared to Java's. Microsoft's are not very flexible... like with Java you can make a JList and add any kind of JComponent to it. In C# if you wanted the behavior of some kind of control inside a ListBox you'd have to extend the thing and code the desired behavior everything yourself. Also when you add Items to alot of the collections in .net's ui controls like a ListBox they make a copy of the object you added instead of using a reference, so if you then change a property on that object elsewhere the data in the ListBox doesn't update since it's a copied object independent of the object you added to it.
 

fbrdphreak

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Originally posted by: Skiguy411
Do you go to NCSU??!?
Yup

Originally posted by: lozina
i love programming, especially in Java. C# is great too since it's virtually the same thing as Java but I'm not very fond of Microsoft's libraries compared to Java's. Microsoft's are not very flexible... like with Java you can make a JList and add any kind of JComponent to it. In C# if you wanted the behavior of some kind of control inside a ListBox you'd have to extend the thing and code the desired behavior everything yourself. Also when you add Items to alot of the collections in .net's ui controls like a ListBox they make a copy of the object you added instead of using a reference, so if you then change a property on that object elsewhere the data in the ListBox doesn't update since it's a copied object independent of the object you added to it.
:confused::confused::confused::confused: Yeah, that's how little I truly understand Java. I learn enough to get by (usually with a C in the class) and just forget it again as soon as I'm done w/the final exam. I would like programming if that's what I wanted to do as a job, or if I had the time to devote to it, but with being a full-time student, working part-time, doing tha LaptopLogic thang, and living on my own w/gf it leaves little time for piddly sh!t like programming.
 

fbrdphreak

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Originally posted by: dabuddha
Java is so easy to program in though.
I'm not saying its hard. I'm saying I don't have the time/motivation to learn it properly, which frustrates me even more because I will never use programming any language to its full extent.
 

EyeMWing

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I don't think you're being asked to take those courses for the programming language's sake - more like the logic and problem solving behind it.
 

Armitage

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I think any engineer should be reasonably proficient in some programming language. I don't know many engineers that don't write write some kind of code, particularly at the entry level.
 

fbrdphreak

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Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I don't think you're being asked to take those courses for the programming language's sake - more like the logic and problem solving behind it.

Originally posted by: Armitage
I think any engineer should be reasonably proficient in some programming language. I don't know many engineers that don't write write some kind of code, particularly at the entry level.

This is correct. We have a smattering of programming, and the java course I'm in now is more about programming techniques and efficiency rather than learning the programming language.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be valuable as a general tool as an engineer, but (A) I'm not really going to ever be an "engineer" per say and (B) I have too much other sh!t on my plate to care about programming.
 

Armitage

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Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I don't think you're being asked to take those courses for the programming language's sake - more like the logic and problem solving behind it.

Originally posted by: Armitage
I think any engineer should be reasonably proficient in some programming language. I don't know many engineers that don't write write some kind of code, particularly at the entry level.

This is correct. We have a smattering of programming, and the java course I'm in now is more about programming techniques and efficiency rather than learning the programming language.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be valuable as a general tool as an engineer, but (A) I'm not really going to ever be an "engineer" per say and (B) I have too much other sh!t on my plate to care about programming.

a. So why are you in engineering if you don't want to be an engineer?
b. It's part of the engineering curriculum - see a.

What year are you? It seems that you'll be taking alot of courses that will never be of use to you if you don't plan on actually being an engineer.
 

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Over the past 30+ years, I have at times had to reach back for some tidbit of knowledge from by years as an engineering student.

At a minimum, it has allowed me to converse with people and force them to look outside the box for solutions.

Much embedded controls and devices use either C or Java, depending on how much user I/O is desired and the tpe of UI required.

To eliminate from your knowledge something that can be useful will potentially cripple you down the road.
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: fbrdphreak
Originally posted by: EyeMWing
I don't think you're being asked to take those courses for the programming language's sake - more like the logic and problem solving behind it.

Originally posted by: Armitage
I think any engineer should be reasonably proficient in some programming language. I don't know many engineers that don't write write some kind of code, particularly at the entry level.

This is correct. We have a smattering of programming, and the java course I'm in now is more about programming techniques and efficiency rather than learning the programming language.

I'm not saying it wouldn't be valuable as a general tool as an engineer, but (A) I'm not really going to ever be an "engineer" per say and (B) I have too much other sh!t on my plate to care about programming.

Let's see, you're an engineering major, you agree that learning to program well and have CS problem solving skills is useful, but then you bitch that you have to take the course. Sorry that the school couldn't tailor to your exact needs and baby you through your curriculum. Switch majors if it's a problem for you and/or you don't plan on being an actual engineer.