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I Hate Cellphone Companies

I purchased an iPhone a couple of weeks ago. It has some problems with it, and I decided that rather than return it for repair or exchange it, I wanted to return it and get my money back. It meant I would have to pay a restocking fee since it was opened, but I didn't want to deal with the damned thing anymore. They told me at the time I purchased it that there was a fourteen day return window for any reason, even if I decided I just didn't like it. This is also stated in the paperwork.

I took it back to the store within the fourteen day limit. I was told that they couldn't give me a refund at the time due to there being no manager there, and they weren't sure how to issue a refund when I had paid with a cheque against my credit card. They said I shouldn't have even been able to pay for it in this manner, yet when I paid they checked with a manager and the manager specifically said it was OK.

This was on Friday. They said there would be no managers in on Saturday either, so they would call me on Monday and have me come in. Monday was outside the fourteen day limit, but I figured there wouldn't be any problems since I had made contact with them over the issue within the fourteen day window.

On Monday, I didn't get any calls from them. I went back to the store anyway. I talked to one of the CSR's and explained the issue. She claimed they had tried to call me three times that morning. I was home all morning, yet somehow I missed all three calls. She said both managers had just gone home for the evening.

I told her I wanted to return it. If there is a refund to be issued for something purchased with a regular cheque, ten days have to have passed. Cheque-clearance issues and such. I know the cheque had cleared with my credit card company, so I figured there would be no problem. Instead, they tell me I cannot return the phone to them, I have to return it to Apple, even if I just want a refund. I told them their paperwork said nothing about that, and they hadn't mentioned that when I purchased it. I said if I was going to return it, I was going to return it to the point of sale as they had originally stated.

This flustered the girl, and she ran off to consult with someone. Lo and behold, despite both managers having left earlier to go home, it turns out one was still there. They were just hiding in the back of the store. :roll: He said that returns on the iPhone, even returning to get a refund, have to go through Apple. He said that was how previous customers that returned the iPhone for a refund had to do it.

I left the store and called my credit card company. I explained what was going on to them, and told them the story up to that point. I just wanted to get it on their records before any more time passed. They put me in touch with their Dispute Department, and sent out the paperwork for me to fill out. They're just waiting for me to see if I can resolve this through regular channels before they lay the smack down.

I called Apple, got a case number, and was told they would contact me in the morning once they were able to get someone higher-up from AT&T on the phone. Apple called me back this morning as promised, and said the store manager was full of shit, that returns for refunds do NOT go to Apple. The person I talked to there gave me his contact information so I could refer anyone from the cell phone company or AT&T to him to clarify.

At this point, I have now been lied to at least twice. Once when I was told there were no managers around, and once when told that returns for refunds went to Apple. Makes me wonder if there were actually any managers around or not when I first went in on Friday.

I called AT&T corporate after I got home. The woman I initially talked to took down the information, amd they were going to get back to me today. She had to take it up with a manager. I got a call from another woman this evening, she tried to tell me I could only return it for repair or exchange now, since I was now outside the fourteen day window. I explained that I had TRIED to return it within the fourteen day window, but was denied. She said she would have to talk to a manager in the morning, and would call me back tomorrow.

It is starting to look like I am going to have to set Chase on them after all. :|
 
There's a reason why cellphone companies consistently get the lowest ratings for customer service across all sectors.

At least Apple and the CC company should have your back. Good job getting things documented early.
 
I returned an iPhone to an AT&T store, so they are full of shit.
 
Originally posted by: jagec
There's a reason why cellphone companies consistently get the lowest ratings for customer service across all sectors.

At least Apple and the CC company should have your back. Good job getting things documented early.

Yeah, Apple was great. I now have the direct extension number for their Corporate Customer Representative, so no having to jump through hoops to get back to the person that is dealing with things on their end. I initially got what I presumed was an Indian after-hours call center, but I could be wrong as I have heard some people say Apple does not use Indian call centers. The gentleman I talked to had a better command of the English language than many people I deal with on a day-to-day basis. Either way, Apple was on the ball.

He gave me his personal contact information and issued me the case number, and it was sent upstairs, and that person called me back early this morning. He said he wants to hear back how this works out, regardless of how it works out. :thumbsup:
 
Why the hell would you use a credit card check? Isnt that treated as a cash advance? Why not swipe the card instead?
 
Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Why the hell would you use a credit card check? Isnt that treated as a cash advance? Why not swipe the card instead?

CC card companies sometimes send out checks with a low fixed interest rate. I get em all the time from Amex, and once in a while from BOA.
 
My cell company, shipped me a phone, that was defective.
I call, and so they send me a new phone.
I get the new phone, it works, so I place the old phone in the box they sent and ship it back.
3 days later my cell phone quits working.
I call and after hours on the phone find out they had no record of sending me a second phone and when they received the first phone, assumed I wanted to cancel the service.

Yep, some really bright folks work there 🙂
 
Originally posted by: AndrewR
What store is this? I want to avoid some place that lies as much as this one apparently does!

Cellular One. Owned by THESE GUYS, who just got bought by AT&T. AT&T is at least being somewhat helpful, but so far they are haven't managed to wade through all of the leftover Cellular One bullshit, or so it would seem.
 
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteven
Originally posted by: AndrewR
What store is this? I want to avoid some place that lies as much as this one apparently does!

Cellular One. Owned by THESE GUYS, who just got bought by AT&T. AT&T is at least being somewhat helpful, but so far they are haven't managed to wade through all of the leftover Cellular One bullshit, or so it would seem.

I hope that garbage gets straightened out -- sounds like a royal pain.

I do have to admit to being slightly tickled that you're the Apple Moderator. 😉
 
Originally posted by: FoBoT
Originally posted by: Quasmo
see what you get for buying an iPhone </obligatory>

yup

:laugh:

Let the CC company deal with them. I'm sure AT&T will be glad to allow you to return iPhone's in store, against supposed policy, once Chase grabs them by the balls at takes $500 back 😛
 
The minute they started to give me the run around I would have immediately called my credit card company and reversed the charges.

I would have went into the store and made a big rukus, got Apple and AT&T corporate on the phone at the same time.
Then I would have told them I am enacting the state law that says you have to issue a full refund with no questions asked within 30 days (probably not applicable to you). While they were being chewed up by me I would have made them aware that the credit card company has already reversed the charge and has been instructed to accept no further charges from the establishment and if they do, fraud charges will be pressed. Then tell them if they refuse to accept the return of the merchandise that the credit card company will not accept the charges and the refusal will be construed as an acceptance to keep the merchandise free of charge.

I did something similar, though to to that degree, with a couple companies. One of them being sprint. It seems that once you really get on them they always seem to have some magical corporate number that they can call to make it all better.
 
Originally posted by: SampSon
The minute they started to give me the run around I would have immediately called my credit card company and reversed the charges.

I would have went into the store and made a big rukus, got Apple and AT&T corporate on the phone at the same time.
Then I would have told them I am enacting the state law that says you have to issue a full refund with no questions asked within 30 days (probably not applicable to you). While they were being chewed up by me I would have made them aware that the credit card company has already reversed the charge and has been instructed to accept no further charges from the establishment and if they do, fraud charges will be pressed. Then tell them if they refuse to accept the return of the merchandise that the credit card company will not accept the charges and the refusal will be construed as an acceptance to keep the merchandise free of charge.

I did something similar, though to to that degree, with a couple companies. One of them being sprint. It seems that once you really get on them they always seem to have some magical corporate number that they can call to make it all better.

I personally think you're full of shit. If you pulled that shit in my store I'd just tell you to leave and call security. So you reversed the charges? Like I give a fuck. Keep your phone and get the hell out. If you think those reversed charges will stick, fine by me. Have fun dealing with the credit company and corporate.
 
Originally posted by: jagec
There's a reason why cellphone companies consistently get the lowest ratings for customer service across all sectors.

At least Apple and the CC company should have your back. Good job getting things documented early.



Verizon has been unfailingly good to me over the many years I've been with them ... the worst thing I've ever had happen was having to call customer service twice to get a billing problem resolved.

No company is perfect, but at least to me they've been pretty close.
 
I'm guessing you would have had better luck had you bought it at an Apple Store to begin with. I'm not saying its your fault, but people who work in wireless retail stores never strike me as the helpful sort.
 
Originally posted by: UNCjigga
I'm guessing you would have had better luck had you bought it at an Apple Store to begin with. I'm not saying its your fault, but people who work in wireless retail stores never strike me as the helpful sort.

They are owned by AT&T, but are still in the middle of change over. There is no Apple store within at least a few hundred miles of me.
 
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: SampSon
The minute they started to give me the run around I would have immediately called my credit card company and reversed the charges.

I would have went into the store and made a big rukus, got Apple and AT&T corporate on the phone at the same time.
Then I would have told them I am enacting the state law that says you have to issue a full refund with no questions asked within 30 days (probably not applicable to you). While they were being chewed up by me I would have made them aware that the credit card company has already reversed the charge and has been instructed to accept no further charges from the establishment and if they do, fraud charges will be pressed. Then tell them if they refuse to accept the return of the merchandise that the credit card company will not accept the charges and the refusal will be construed as an acceptance to keep the merchandise free of charge.

I did something similar, though to to that degree, with a couple companies. One of them being sprint. It seems that once you really get on them they always seem to have some magical corporate number that they can call to make it all better.

I personally think you're full of shit. If you pulled that shit in my store I'd just tell you to leave and call security. So you reversed the charges? Like I give a fuck. Keep your phone and get the hell out. If you think those reversed charges will stick, fine by me. Have fun dealing with the credit company and corporate.

Thats exactly what i was thinking...lol
 
Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Originally posted by: SampSon
The minute they started to give me the run around I would have immediately called my credit card company and reversed the charges.

I would have went into the store and made a big rukus, got Apple and AT&T corporate on the phone at the same time.
Then I would have told them I am enacting the state law that says you have to issue a full refund with no questions asked within 30 days (probably not applicable to you). While they were being chewed up by me I would have made them aware that the credit card company has already reversed the charge and has been instructed to accept no further charges from the establishment and if they do, fraud charges will be pressed. Then tell them if they refuse to accept the return of the merchandise that the credit card company will not accept the charges and the refusal will be construed as an acceptance to keep the merchandise free of charge.

I did something similar, though to to that degree, with a couple companies. One of them being sprint. It seems that once you really get on them they always seem to have some magical corporate number that they can call to make it all better.

I personally think you're full of shit. If you pulled that shit in my store I'd just tell you to leave and call security. So you reversed the charges? Like I give a fuck. Keep your phone and get the hell out. If you think those reversed charges will stick, fine by me. Have fun dealing with the credit company and corporate.
I don't really care if you think I'm full of shit. If you, as a business owner, put me through a run-around like the OP got I wouldn't want to enter your store ever again. As if not being able to do business with scumbags like you is some sort of threat. Security? What is security going to do, throw me out of a worthless establishment that I don't want to do business with? This just gets worse by the minute! Hopefully they don't bring me in the basement and break my kneecaps too!

Yes charges I have reversed have stuck for a couple of situations. I'd rather deal with my credit card company, who've I've been a loyal customer to for some time, than a small potatos scumbag dealer such as yourself (or your hypothetical self). If the shop owner wants to dispute them, then fine, be my guest. It's their time and money to waste, not mine, because I'm not going to end up paying a dime. The credit card company may end up eating the cost to pay the shop owner if their appeal is accepted. If they don't then what is the owner going to do, sue me? Go for it big shot. I guess I'll see ya in small claims court. Have you never reversed a credit card charge due to a dispute with the establishment you did business with? Mabey you're the type that just accepts taking it in the ass and moves on.

As for the refund laws, do you expect the shop owner of an establishment like the OP went to to actually fully understand specific refund laws? Here the absolute refund period is 7 days with a receipt of sale unless the refund laws are conspicuously posted within the view of the customer. These laws are also debateable and can be appealed to the BBB. Do you want to take the time to deal with the BBB?

The whole point is that if you get in the face of a little store with action and lots of words (as half-truth as they may be), they aren't going to do a lot to counter it. if they want to move it up to "corporate" if there even is a corporate beyond the services they contract for, then go for it. I've had more luck dealing with direct "corporate" when pissed off than I've had with owners/employees of small shops.

I hope that you're presenting a hypothetical scenario about owning a store and you're not one of thoes douche bags who runs an indirect cell phone retailer. If you do own one of thoes shops I bet you sell lots of blinged out cell phone cases to suburban thugs, right?

This is all in good fun of course. Don't get your little panties in a bunch.
 
Of course I don't own an indirect kiosk. Thats why I said above never to go to one, I know they suck. My point was that if I, as an employee of a place like that, dealt with you it would go something like this.

Me: No, you can't return this.
You: Blah blah blah lots of laws blah blah blah disputes blah blah blah.
Me: Still no, heres my managers name and corporate numbers. Take it up with them.
You: Blah blah blah more big words.
Me: Ok, I'm calling security to have you thrown out of a place you don't want to be in, if you don't willingly leave.

End result, you accomplish NOTHING with me. You are thrown out of the store and you look like an asshole for berating a low level employee who does not make the policies, does not see a dime of that money you are threatening to take away and really could give a flying fuck if you get a refund or not. But you'll still be removed from that store, one way or another.
 
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