I HATE CAMPUS CRUSADE!!

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
The most I'll say is that God loves you and he'll be there for you if you decide to join him.

You bastard!

Just kidding. 😉

What? Was I preaching too much? 😛

 

[halik]

I love how they all think they can convert people with a 30 min conversation and a brochue :roll:

not to mention that they call it "CRUSADES" ... what the hell. The meaning and historical context of that world comp[letly excape them...

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
The most I'll say is that God loves you and he'll be there for you if you decide to join him.

You bastard!
Just kidding. 😉

What? Was I preaching too much? 😛

Honestly? It's a bit patronizing, an equivalent would be an atheist informing you that there's no such thing as god, would you take kindly to it? Regardless of whether you would, most wouldn't, and so I'd have to say it is indeed a bit much.

 

[oogabooga]

Originally posted by: iamme
45 minutes??

didn't you say you were walking to class?

the problem seems to be that you can't say, "no thanks" and walk away.

seems like this is the case. When people walks up to me on campus, i simply and politely say no thank you. Other than the random vagrant pretending to be part of an organization collecting money for some random event that's happened 5 times in the last two years but has never happened... most of them will be polite in turn and wish me a good day.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Gurck
No, I don't go around preaching atheism because it's rude and I wouldn't expect others to have to put up with it. Further, I know it wouldn't be put up with if I did - nor would preaching any other non-christian religion. As I said, people just love hiding behind a double standard.

What do you mean by "put up with"? It's not like there's anything that could be done to you if you did. For the record, your atheism thread is still alive...don't you think it would have been locked hours ago if what you say is true?

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
The most I'll say is that God loves you and he'll be there for you if you decide to join him.

You bastard!
Just kidding. 😉

What? Was I preaching too much? 😛

Honestly? It's a bit patronizing, an equivalent would be an atheist informing you that there's no such thing as god, would you take kindly to it? Regardless of whether you would, most wouldn't, and so I'd have to say it is indeed a bit much.

Honestly, I was just kidding. One little phrase is not being preachy as far as I'm concerned because I know how to respect the opinions of others, whether or not I share that opinion.

Getting the hard sell on something I'm not shopping for (in this case, religion) is a different matter entirely. For example, we could be talking about pizza, and I could say that I think "the pizza place I work for has great pizza, try it sometime when you're hungry," and leave it at that. Or I can walk up to you, at random, and spend 45 minutes trying to convince you that you need to order a pizza from my pizza place when you never even told me you were hungy in the first place. Which is worse?

 

[Buck Armstrong]

Originally posted by: Connoisseur
So I'm walking to class yesterday in Rutgers minding my own business and whistling a nice tune. Suddenly, this Chinese girl says "Excuse me, you have a minute?". Being a nice guy and assuming she needs info or something I say "sure". She then starts "I was wondering, are you Christian?". "Crap" I said to myself. I knew where this is going. But, once again, being a nice guy, I said "No, I'm Hindu." This sparked a eulogy from this girl about how Christ said that worshipping him is the only way to reach god and how Christ's message is so great and awesome. She went ON and ON about how all of Christ's prophecies came true and about how all people should worship God through the church and Christ. I didn't really feel like going to class on time so I made the mistake of starting an argument with her about the veracity of the Bible and why she feels the need to make everybody come to her church. But she just kept going ON and ON about how worshipping through Christ will give me a great sense of peace and hapiness and crap. Long story short, she asked me my name and phone number (both of which I gave her were completely fake) and she gave me a little info sheet which I chucked in the garbage 10 seconds later. Utter waste of 45 minutes.

I HATE Campus Crusade and all those other religious people (not just Christian) who feel the need to try and make you convert. These are the types of people that give their respective religions a bad name. Christianity I think is the worst of these religions cause their members are the most active on my campus as far as trying to "recruit" people. If you know anybody who's in one of these groups PLEASE PLEASE, give them a swift kick in the nuts. If they're female, just kick em in the @$$. If any of the aforementioned groups are listening:I hate you people with a passion. YOU make my life less happy. You idiots just can't learn to live and let live.

Or maybe its your fault because you stopped to talk to her for 45 minutes. Its not like she held a gun to your head, you voluntarily listened to her bvllshit. So how you can blame Christianity in general, I have no idea. Christianity is just as valid or invalid as your religion, but its nice that you still find time to criticize other people's fairy tales. She could just as well been a homeless panhandler; would you be hating all bums now?

This girl, and people like her, want your attention. They want to shout to the world that they have this relationship with Christ, and they are told that they need to help others avoid Hell by spreading the "good news". So its not like they WANT to ruin your day; they THINK they are HELPING you, and that it gets them credit with the Big Man. So just walk on by; if they stop you, say "no thanks" and keep moving. Much easier than voluntarily standing there for 45 minutes to listen to some drivel you don't believe...especially when you'va already got beliefs of your own that are just as questionable as theirs.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Gurck
No, I don't go around preaching atheism because it's rude and I wouldn't expect others to have to put up with it. Further, I know it wouldn't be put up with if I did - nor would preaching any other non-christian religion. As I said, people just love hiding behind a double standard.

What do you mean by "put up with"? It's not like there's anything that could be done to you if you did. For the record, your atheism thread is still alive...don't you think it would have been locked hours ago if what you say is true?

What do I mean? Depends on the area, though my guess is it'd likely cause a huge scene for which I'd be charged with inciting a riot.

I'll be the first to admit that I was surprised with the tolerance of people spouting religious dogma here. The atheism thread was in part a response to the bible quoting thread. It wouldn't even exist if not for that thread and a misclick.

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Honestly, I was just kidding. One little phrase is not being preachy as far as I'm concerned because I know how to respect the opinions of others, whether or not I share that opinion.

I know, but I wanted to point out how easy it is for many christians to offend without really thinking they meant to, since as another poster stated, many people feel their religion has a built-in superiority complex. Just making a point, no hard feelings I hope.

 

[KoolAidKid]

Originally posted by: Babbles

No matter what you think your worthless opinion is worth, those religious people have a right to do what they do. For you to have the audacity to claim that those people should not be tolerated is far, far worse than anything those religious folks have done on campus.

Then why have we instituted a Do Not Call list for telemarketers? Because we don't like having someone infringe on our privacy to try to sell us something, perhaps? Evangelists are salespeople who happen to sell religion rather than vacuum cleaners.

 

[Thegonagle]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Thegonagle
Honestly, I was just kidding. One little phrase is not being preachy as far as I'm concerned because I know how to respect the opinions of others, whether or not I share that opinion.

I know, but I wanted to point out how easy it is for many christians to offend without really thinking they meant to, since as another poster stated, many people feel their religion has a built-in superiority complex. Just making a point, no hard feelings I hope.

Not at all. Read my edit. 😉 I think we're thinking about different extremes, so I wrote my little pizza-selling analogy.

 

[Antisocial Virge]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: DigDug
They are arrogant freaks. They believe in a religion that has a built-in superiority complex. Is it any wonder that the worlds turmoil is a product of fighting among the Abrahamic religions? The world would be better without Chrisitianity and Islam.

:roll: And Judaism too? Do you think the world would be better without the Jews? :roll:

Before you take offense to my statement, stop and think just how prejudicial and bigoted DigDug's statement was. Is there a difference? I think not. Bigotry is bigotry. It is nothing but hypocracy to see one form as offensive but another as completely acceptable.


But yes, I find proselytizing religious people of any religion to be annoying. However, the OP's problem began and ended when he couldn't find the balls to politely say, "Thank you but I am not interested." I mean, c'mon... 45 minutes? That's pathetic. Unless she had a gun to his head, the OP has no excuse for not just walking away. None.

Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge
Campus Crusade tried "bringing to the fold" a little too hard during my freshman year to the point of harassment. They were kicked from campus and told not too come back.

Restricting free speech to one group is no different than restricting free speech to every group. Is this a government funded school by chance?

Coldcalling people out of the campus directory 10 times a day even after you were told "not to call back" and "I'm not interested" is not free speech. Its harassment.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: Thegonagle

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze
The most I'll say is that God loves you and he'll be there for you if you decide to join him.

You bastard!
Just kidding. 😉

What? Was I preaching too much? 😛

Honestly? It's a bit patronizing, an equivalent would be an atheist informing you that there's no such thing as god, would you take kindly to it? Regardless of whether you would, most wouldn't, and so I'd have to say it is indeed a bit much.

Honestly I was just kidding with my statement as was the previous poster before me. Now that I'm rereading the OP's topic....I find that I was wrong. The OP deserved what he got. The chinese girl did not stop him at gun point to say what she had to say.

If you seriously got offended by what I wrote...then you seriously get offended by the slightest thing that you don't agree with. Not exactly a good way to live. I work with a bunch of atheist. We actually have had religion discussions. If they don't believe in God, that is their business. They have to live with it. If they want to hear about God, then fine, I'll talk to them about him till they had enough. I'm not going to hurt someone if they say that they don't believe in God, but if they try jamming it down my throat, I WILL defend myself. I'll say that we all have things we believe in. Respect my beliefs and I'll respect yours. Is that so hard to do?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Jesus, just tell them to Fsck Off and walk away, how difficult can that be?

Apparently so difficult that some weaker individuals feel the need to get a law passed... :roll:

Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge
Coldcalling people out of the campus directory 10 times a day even after you were told "not to call back" and "I'm not interested" is not free speech. Its harassment.

I agree that it's BS but it's legal under the DNC. Don't blame me for that, blame Bush, who got political, charitable, and religious organizations exempted from federal telemarketing laws.

 

[Cleaner]

Best part is tyring to get them to shut up long enought so that you can tell them YOUR religous beliefs. They never want to hear about what you have to say. This is not just christians this is every zealot on campus. Closed minded bigots everywhere. Its ok for you to convert to their religion because they are the only who are right. Aghhh I'm just getting pissed now.

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: Cleaner
Best part is tyring to get them to shut up long enought so that you can tell them YOUR religous beliefs. They never want to hear about what you have to say. This is not just christians this is every zealot on campus. Closed minded bigots everywhere. Its ok for you to convert to their religion because they are the only who are right. Aghhh I'm just getting pissed now.

1) Not every Christian is a zealot. To assume so makes you appear REALLY close-minded
2) If a Christian is actually trying to convert you by force, then they are themselves not acting christian.

 

[ProviaFan]

It's your fault that you wasted 45 minutes; that's already been covered adequately.

With that said, I [speaking as an active member of a Protestant church] am always wary of anything with "crusade" in the name. Either you're too dumb to be aware of the historical implications of that term, or you are aware of what it means (in which case, I really would be concerned). To quote my favorite comedian, "Ixnay un usadecray." What's crazy is that I have had people try to convert me to "true Christianity" (and by beliefs do not tend to the liberal side by any standards - except those who are so far right that they have two left hands). :roll:

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Vic
I agree that it's BS but it's legal under the DNC. Don't blame me for that, blame Bush, who got political, charitable, and religious organizations exempted from federal telemarketing laws.

Regardless of the Do Not Call list - if you instruct a caller not to call, it is illegal for him to continue to do so. No one is exempt from that...not even God 😉

 

[Hammer]

you should have told her that you will convert if she gives you a BJ. let's see just how far they're willing to go for "religion". 😛

 

[ViRGE]

Originally posted by: KoolAidKid

Originally posted by: Babbles

No matter what you think your worthless opinion is worth, those religious people have a right to do what they do. For you to have the audacity to claim that those people should not be tolerated is far, far worse than anything those religious folks have done on campus.

Then why have we instituted a Do Not Call list for telemarketers? Because we don't like having someone infringe on our privacy to try to sell us something, perhaps? Evangelists are salespeople who happen to sell religion rather than vacuum cleaners.

This is my POV too, having to periodically tell someone to fsck off is bad enough, and it's even worse when it's always someone different because of the additional pressure from that "new' hard sale(since society norms are that you are supposed to be hospitable to people you meet). It's a PITA and I wish they would stop.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Vic
I agree that it's BS but it's legal under the DNC. Don't blame me for that, blame Bush, who got political, charitable, and religious organizations exempted from federal telemarketing laws.

Regardless of the Do Not Call list - if you instruct a caller not to call, it is illegal for him to continue to do so. No one is exempt from that...not even God 😉

True, but the "Off list" or "Do not call back" rule is self-policing, i.e. businesses and organizations have to police themselves with it. Fines for violations have been rare.

If they went after the individuals doing the calls, and claimed that some kind of personal malice was involved (which is quite possible with a lot of these super-zealous idiots), then I imagine it could be construed as harrassment.

Meh. They get what they deserve then. I just wish that the kids here would realize that these zealots do NOT represent mainstream Christianity.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Antisocial-Virge
Coldcalling people out of the campus directory 10 times a day even after you were told "not to call back" and "I'm not interested" is not free speech. Its harassment.

The nice thing about the phone is you can just hang up on them.

When they come to my door I just don't answer the door and go back to what I was doing and let my dog bark at them until they go away.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Hammer
you should have told her that you will convert if she gives you a BJ. let's see just how far they're willing to go for "religion". 😛

Best post in the thread :laugh:

 

[Cleaner]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: Cleaner
Best part is tyring to get them to shut up long enought so that you can tell them YOUR religous beliefs. They never want to hear about what you have to say. This is not just christians this is every zealot on campus. Closed minded bigots everywhere. Its ok for you to convert to their religion because they are the only who are right. Aghhh I'm just getting pissed now.

1) Not every Christian is a zealot. To assume so makes you appear REALLY close-minded
2) If a Christian is actually trying to convert you by force, then they are themselves not acting christian.

As I stated above 'this is not just christians this is EVERY zealot on campus.' Read...think...then type.

 

[Gunslinger08]

The fault is your own. Say you don't want to talk, and walk away. If they follow you, then it's their fault.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: Connoisseur

Originally posted by: HotChic
1. She wasn't trying to "force" you to do anything. If you had said "no thanks" and walked away, there's a darn good chance she would have left you alone.

2. Know that from her perspective, she's doing something nice. If you find her intent to be of any value, she intended well.

3. I didn't see any arrogance in what she said to you - she talked about her reasons for thinking her religion was correct. I don't see that she put your religion or any other down in any way. In fact, you're doing more putting down than she did.

Furthermore, I personally thought it was arrogant of her to come up to me. Once again, going back to the cook analogy. Let's say we both made apple pie: I like mine, and you like yours. But then I tell you, out of the blue, that you should make your apple pie just like mine because mine is the best way to make it, wouldn't that be arrogant of me? If cooking isn't your strong suite, then just picture any other situation which you WOULD feel strongly about.

You are an idiot. Christians don't think that their religion is correct. They KNOW it is, through faith. Sh!t man, in her eyes, she was trying to save your soul. She was being incredibly generous, from her point of view. If you don't agree, then walk away.