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I hate being poor.

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iamtrout

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I can't justify paying $400 for a 6800GT. Anyone know when this card may drop down to $300 or $200?

I'm going to be replacing my Ti4400 because after experiencing Far Cry... man, I was feeling my Ti4400 struggling. So now I'm looking at either a 9800Pro for $200 or a 9700Pro OC'ed to 9800 levels for $100. Which one should I get?

But then I keep thinking about wanting to turn on High Quality in Doom, and apparently that requires a 6800GT, and, and, I dunno what to do. Bleh.
 
9700pro's don't all overclock well, and I'm not sure an oc'd card will be stable with D3. my 9700pro is doing just ok with D3 but I wouldn't recommend it as a purchase, you'll regret it. the 9800pro is an expensive option too.
I'd try D3 with low settings on your current rig. Buy a GT in 2 months for 250 dollars, and play the game again. Besides D3 is going to be around for a long time.
 
Well...I'm not "poor" exactly🙂, but I too HATE the idea of spending $400.00 for a video card so I don't.

I debated buying a 6800 GT when the ~$325.00 deals first came out but I soon decided to buy last years high end card instead...a 9800 Pro for $175.00 shipped. I've been buying "old" cards (1-2 years after release) for the past 5 years and saving ~50-60% by doing so rather than buying the top cards soon after they're released.

My reason is simple. I've currently got a 3 PC LAN and I want all 3 PCs to be able to run the newest games at 1000X800 res. with details on high (except no AA or AF) and reaching >30 fps (most of the time) WITHOUT having to spend ~$1,200.00 on three (3) newly released video cards.

I upgraded all 3 PCs by replacing two (2) GF3 Ti200s and a Radeon 7500, with two (2) ATI 9800 Pros and one (1) nV 5900 NU. I bought the three (2) replacement cards for ~$176.00 each (all retail to include VIVO for the 5900 NU) for a total of $530.00.

I'd rather have 3 PCs with "fast enough" video cards verses having 1 pc with the "fastest" video card on the market and 2 PCs with "dog slow" video cards.
 
If you've got a nice setup coupled with a 9700/9800 pro, you may be able to squeak off 1024x768 on high quality in the game. I'd like to attempt it, but I think I'm going to be borderline here as far as acceptable FPS goes. I may just play the game set to medium quality.
 
don't know if it is it rumors or not, only 256mb can play at high quality?, is it?

i am playing on a lcd, so i would like to play it at 1280*1024@high quality, so this is what i want to do, however, i think my system can do only 1024*768@medium
 
Well, the recommendation is that you have a 256mb card for the High setting, since it can use up to 256mb of textures with that setting on. However, reviews have stated that a very good rig with a very good 128mb card can cope at that setting. I probably won't even bother though.
 
I've been debating the regular 6800 but I'm not sure if I like the fact that it's been so.... permanently... downscaled in comparison to the GT and Ultra. The pipeline decrease and the fact that it only has 128MB DDR is not jiving with me. I've been reading about how the Ultra Detail level in Doom is reserved for people with future 512MB cards or 2GB of RAM, and if 256MB isn't enough to run at that detail, what's 128MB going to do?

Of course the benchmarks do have a point... but then again [H|ardOCP usually has the best of the best of everything else in their test systems.
 
if you can get a 9700 pro for $100....do it. 90% the performance of a 9800 pro for 1/2 the cost...it's a no-brainer. I'm planning on playing at 1024x768, high detail (includes 8x AF I guess) on my 9700 NP clocked to pro speeds. Shouldn't be a problem based on reviews I've seen.
 
Originally posted by: railer
if you can get a 9700 pro for $100....do it. 90% the performance of a 9800 pro for 1/2 the cost...it's a no-brainer. I'm planning on playing at 1024x768, high detail (includes 8x AF I guess) on my 9700 NP clocked to pro speeds. Shouldn't be a problem based on reviews I've seen.
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mind telling me what cpu and how many ram u have?
 
Originally posted by: iamtrout
I've been debating the regular 6800 but I'm not sure if I like the fact that it's been so.... permanently... downscaled in comparison to the GT and Ultra. The pipeline decrease and the fact that it only has 128MB DDR is not jiving with me. I've been reading about how the Ultra Detail level in Doom is reserved for people with future 512MB cards or 2GB of RAM, and if 256MB isn't enough to run at that detail, what's 128MB going to do?

Of course the benchmarks do have a point... but then again [H|ardOCP usually has the best of the best of everything else in their test systems.
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? what?

hard ocp tested on athlon 2500 and 3200, then A64 3000 and 3500, and FX - 53
tey also tested P4 2.4ghz to a 3.0ghz rig

and they even tested on ID's recommended minimum spec/....a P4 1.5ghz, 384mb ram and a GF4 MX440 and at 640x480 with specular maps off it plyed nicely
 
Originally posted by: faye
don't know if it is it rumors or not, only 256mb can play at high quality?, is it?

i am playing on a lcd, so i would like to play it at 1280*1024@high quality, so this is what i want to do, however, i think my system can do only 1024*768@medium
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Rumours are wrong. I have a 6800NU 128MB and it roxorz 11X8, Quincunx, 8XAF, High Quality in game and drivers.

HardOCP confirms this.

My system basically matches one of theirs (A643K/K8T/1GB) but I am not OCing. I can't tell what cpu you have, but you need to quit OCing from the looks of things. Just spend some money and get a decent cpu so you don't have to?

Anyway, I doubt the 9700/9800 are what you want to run this game at high quality.
 
9800 pro on a 3200 Barton

This tells me the 9700 pro will be fine at high quality, 1024x768. Plus I have a gig of RAM, not 512 like in this test rig. 9700 is just fine for this game, and at 1/3 the cost of the 6800 even. 🙂 But since the game looks great on a GF3, that's not a shock to anyone at this point...I hope.
 
Originally posted by: railer
9800 pro on a 3200 Barton

This tells me the 9700 pro will be fine at high quality, 1024x768. Plus I have a gig of RAM, not 512 like in this test rig. 9700 is just fine for this game, and at 1/3 the cost of the 6800 even. 🙂 But since the game looks great on a GF3, that's not a shock to anyone at this point...I hope.
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Yes, a 9700p CAN play it on high quality if you have an all around killer system in every other component. (AXP 3200+ minimum for "playable" frames on avg) U must be getting the 9700p used becasue it retails for ~$165ish on pricewatch. If you happen to be mistaken on your price, the 9800p ive seen for ~$170ish (i got mine a wk ago for $167 after tax, shipping and rebate) on a couple occasions. At that price, it cant be beat (unless u really can get a 9700p for $100). If you want something more, the next notch up would be the 6800nu. Dont look at the specs, LOOK AT THE NUMBERS on the benchmarks that ppl have been refering you to. Thats what matters in the end, right? So thats what u should care more about IMO. 🙂
 
Originally posted by: gururu
9700pro's don't all overclock well, and I'm not sure an oc'd card will be stable with D3. my 9700pro is doing just ok with D3 but I wouldn't recommend it as a purchase, you'll regret it. the 9800pro is an expensive option too.
I'd try D3 with low settings on your current rig. Buy a GT in 2 months for 250 dollars, and play the game again. Besides D3 is going to be around for a long time.
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That is very wishful thinking, we won't see the GT below $300 this year if trends stay like they are now. There might be the occasional super deal but those things are gone in the blink of an eye.
 
I was thinking about the 9600Pro at $100, not the 9700. Dammit. Ok, all benchmarks aside, the 6800 isn't that far off from the 6800GT? Even with 4 crippled pipelines? And half the RAM?

I'm scared.
 
Originally posted by: gururu
9700pro's don't all overclock well, and I'm not sure an oc'd card will be stable with D3. my 9700pro is doing just ok with D3 but I wouldn't recommend it as a purchase, you'll regret it. the 9800pro is an expensive option too.
I'd try D3 with low settings on your current rig. Buy a GT in 2 months for 250 dollars, and play the game again. Besides D3 is going to be around for a long time.
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Originally posted by: Regs
The 6800 GT isnt going to drop until the Fall if not early winter.
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Yep, and not below $300 for quite a while. I'm really not sure where people are getting these crazy ideas that prices will magically drop on items that retailers can't even keep in stock at above MSRP. Some can't even fill pre-orders that have been backed up for months.

Why would prices drop 33% in two months on a GT?

Some reading for you:
http://ingrimayne.saintjoe.edu/econ/DemandSupply/Adjustment2.html
 
For those waiting/wishing for the 6800 GT to get below $250.00 (WITHOUT very limited quantity specials, 3 rebates and a pricematch + ymmv, etc.) , I think you'll be waiting for a year or more. With the regular 6800 not breaking below $200.00 for ~1 year (with the same condition as above).

Based on the above, if your current card is not producing satisfactory FPS at a relatively high level of detail and you want to upgrade now or in the very near future, I think a 9800 Pro (retail) for ~$175.00 is a hot deal (if shipping is included and especially if there's no rebates involved).

I don't think the 9800 Pro will get much cheaper than say $165.00 even a year from now and this card should provide pretty good performance with relativley high settings in every game that comes out in the next year or 2. The 9800 Pro should only be ~10% cheaper over the next 6 months to 1 year. Whereas the 6800 GT should be ~40% cheaper this time next year.

Buying a 9800 Pro now offers about the best "bang-for-your-buck" as you're likely to find over the next ~6 months. When the 6800 GT hits ~$180.00 in ~1.5 years, I may buy 2 or 3 of them🙂.

Personnally, I wouldn't buy anything less than a 9800 Pro no matter what the price UNLESS there was no way I could come up with the additional $$$ for the 9800 Pro.

Regards,

Bud
 
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