I hate banks

geno

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So, I've been getting a little frustrated in dealing with the bank which owns the home my fiance and I want to purchase. They were very stubborn with the price, no big deal, the price we agreed on was a paltry $500 below asking, but it was a reasonable price, so I could deal with it. So we agree to their counter offer, so everything should be good now. We wait over a week to hear back if they're going to accept our acceptance of the counter offer (?)

We hear back from the bank's agent yesterday, and they're rejecting the offer. Yes, they're rejecting our acceptance to *their* counter offer. Why, you ask? Because we're planning on financing the home with an FHA loan. Months ago, the home was priced 40K more than it is now, but to get the reduction the agent was begging them for (since he was never going to sell it), the bank had some sort of a professional assessment to find reasons to lower the price. The one reason they lowered it? It needs a roof. No big deal. Howerver, the bank will now not let the house go unless we take a 203K rehab loan (1.25% higher than our FHA loan rate) AND roll in the cost of the roof into our mortgage, raising our payments by nearly $300/mo. This effectively pushes our monthly payments out of our budget and we are now washing our hands of this house until we see another price reduction.

The stupid bank has been sitting on this home for a while now, is stubborn on the price, and is stubborn on the terms. They're never going to sell this house and I hope they keep losing money on it.


/rant :|



UPDATE - Well, now I REALLY hate the bank. They rejected THREE of our offers, all for asking price. Why, you ask? They didn't like our financing. First offer, they shot us down and came back saying they wanted a rehab loan. We got a rehab loan, wrote up another offer after being pre-approved for an FHA rehab loan. Shot down. Turns out they want to close in sooner than 45 days, FHA can't close that soon, they say they want HomePath financing. Fine! We'll go through the program they want (which is shady if you ask me) to get the faster closing. Nope. Shot down again. They want Homepath REHAB! You may be wondering why the listing agent didn't just tell this to us in the first place to avoid wasting almost three weeks of our time. The listing agent says the turnaround for the simplest of requests takes forever.

So we read more into the financing the selling bank wants us to use and we'd have to pay, ready for this? $12,700 (6.5 points we'd have to pay up front) to secure financing. That is OUTSIDE of closing costs. That is OUTSIDE of the down payment. None of that money would go toward our mortgage. We'd have to say bye bye to almost $20,000 to close on this house. Good-fucking-bye. This has been a terrible experience. I hope all of these banks trying to squeeze every cent out of these houses chokes and dies. They deserve no bailout and are doing nothing to help stimulate the housing market if this is how they are doing it. Forcing a buyer into unreasonable financing and wasting weeks of our time by not just coming forth with what they're looking for. You should not have to submit an offer and await acceptance to get another piece of the riddle out of the way.

:|

Edit - turns out Fannie Mae, who owns the house, also runs Homepath financing. No wonder why they're trying to strongarm people into that program :disgust:

2/12/09 - Update : the bank realized they had their heads up their ass. Long story short : they accepted a 203K FHA loan. No crazy up front fees or points. We just had the home inspected today and we saw nothing surprising. We'll be closing 3/19 :thumbsup:
 

jaha2000

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have you ever used FHA before?
Genrally speaking any major issue with a home will put a halt on FHA financing. Believe me.. I ran into the EXACT same issue you are having.
Why not go tradational loan?
 

Tobolo

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Yeah I cannot imagine you could even close on a FHA loan if it needs a roof. I'm going through the same crap now. It's quite a pain.
 

rudeguy

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Move to Detroit my friend. For the price of the roof, you could get a 5 bedroom fixer upper!
 

geno

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The other frustrating thing is the listing agent says the bank's report says "A few of the roof shingles are buckled"

We were inside of the house and checked all of the ceilings, there were no water marks or any sign of a problem. Then again, this wasn't an official inspection, but it was clear there were no serious problems.

bah.

NSFW, you have no idea. Supposedly the housing market is such a mess and blah blah blah, we still can't even find a place that's close to being considered "a deal" around here. I guess I'm expecting too much :p
 

rudeguy

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Originally posted by: geno
The other frustrating thing is the listing agent says the bank's report says "A few of the roof shingles are buckled"

We were inside of the house and checked all of the ceilings, there were no water marks or any sign of a problem. Then again, this wasn't an official inspection, but it was clear there were no serious problems.

bah.

NSFW, you have no idea. Supposedly the housing market is such a mess and blah blah blah, we still can't even find a place that's close to being considered "a deal" around here. I guess I'm expecting too much :p

I can only imagine. All these people sitting on $200k mortgages and $130k homes really puts the banks in a bad spot. Do you blow them all out and lose massive amounts of money or hang on to them and tie up all your existing cash? Its a no win situation if you ask me.

There are some websites that let you find foreclosures in your area. I check the one for around here a lot and its nothing to see a 4 bed, 2 bath place in decent shape going for < $40k.
 

Corbett

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Say CYA to the bank that is selling the house. There are SOOOOOO many deals out there right now. I played hardball with a bank back in July to get my new home and we talked them down from an asking price of $169,000 to $144,000. And this was for a home that sold for $300,000 just 5 years earlier.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: geno
The other frustrating thing is the listing agent says the bank's report says "A few of the roof shingles are buckled"

We were inside of the house and checked all of the ceilings, there were no water marks or any sign of a problem. Then again, this wasn't an official inspection, but it was clear there were no serious problems.

bah.

NSFW, you have no idea. Supposedly the housing market is such a mess and blah blah blah, we still can't even find a place that's close to being considered "a deal" around here. I guess I'm expecting too much :p

Water marks on the ceiling is the sign of a major issue, IMHO. That doesn't mean the roof needs to be replaced.

On the other hand, we got an FHA mortgage with our house, which obviously needed a roof within a year or so, and we had no problems at all.
 

geno

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Really? My mom's house had some nasty water marks forming in the hallway of her ranch, a new roof stopped them from getting any worse. It was cleaned up and a new coat of paint, and it all looks like new...

I just wish the bank would chance it and let us take the FHA loan.
 

iamwiz82

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Originally posted by: geno
Really? My mom's house had some nasty water marks forming in the hallway of her ranch, a new roof stopped them from getting any worse. It was cleaned up and a new coat of paint, and it all looks like new...

I just wish the bank would chance it and let us take the FHA loan.

Well I mean that a roof that is leaving watermarks is well beyond bad. Even a bad roof should be watertight ;).
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: geno
Really? My mom's house had some nasty water marks forming in the hallway of her ranch, a new roof stopped them from getting any worse. It was cleaned up and a new coat of paint, and it all looks like new...

I just wish the bank would chance it and let us take the FHA loan.

It's not about the bank letting you, it's about FHA being willing.

If your roof does go bad how do you plan to pay for it if you can't even over 30 years? The bank is looking at you then forced to move out of the property and they end up stuck with it.
 

geno

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Well, now I REALLY hate the bank. They rejected THREE of our offers, all for asking price. Why, you ask? They didn't like our financing. First offer, they shot us down and came back saying they wanted a rehab loan. We got a rehab loan, wrote up another offer after being pre-approved for an FHA rehab loan. Shot down. Turns out they want to close in sooner than 45 days, FHA can't close that soon, they say they want HomePath financing. Fine! We'll go through the program they want (which is shady if you ask me) to get the faster closing. Nope. Shot down again. They want Homepath REHAB! You may be wondering why the listing agent didn't just tell this to us in the first place to avoid wasting almost three weeks of our time. The listing agent says the turnaround for the simplest of requests takes forever.

So we read more into the financing the selling bank wants us to use and we'd have to pay, ready for this? $12,700 (6.5 points we'd have to pay up front) to secure financing. That is OUTSIDE of closing costs. That is OUTSIDE of the down payment. None of that money would go toward our mortgage. We'd have to say bye bye to almost $20,000 to close on this house. Good-fucking-bye. This has been a terrible experience. I hope all of these banks trying to squeeze every cent out of these houses chokes and dies. They deserve no bailout and are doing nothing to help stimulate the housing market if this is how they are doing it. Forcing a buyer into unreasonable financing and wasting weeks of our time by not just coming forth with what they're looking for. You should not have to submit an offer and await acceptance to get another piece of the riddle out of the way.

:|

Edit - turns out Fannie Mae, who owns the house, also runs Homepath financing. No wonder why they're trying to strongarm people into that program :disgust:
 

alkemyst

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Just an FYI, you are the one paying what they wanted. There is no reason to sell for less if there is a buyer at a higher price point...I seriously doubted Fannie strong armed...you are free to choose any lender.

The problem is wanting a rehab loan right now.
 

geno

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
you are free to choose any lender.

I would believe that, but they said our FHA (again, this was a 203K rehab loan just like they wanted) wasn't good enough because it wouldn't close in time. This is bullshit because by the time we set the Homepath loan in motion and got to signing papers, the closing date would have been about 2 weeks less than that. So you're telling me they rejected full asking, among meeting other requirements (like repairing a roof they couldn't have even given a real inspection to given that it was covered by a foot of snow at the time of appraisal). I never claim to be the victim or that I'm getting screwed. But something here stinks, given the corner they've backed us into with financing, how the hell can the expect to sell this home when the buyer is forking up AT LEAST 3.625 points (the minimum we can pay through the financing we wanted)

Furthermore, and this part I forgot, they "required" a Homepath Rehab loan, which isn't even offered in Massachusetts. So, playing by their rules, we still lose!

EDIT - sorry if I seem fired up. I am. This house would have been perfect for us. It's just beyond frustrating given the hoops we are forced to jump through. We kept giving and giving, thinking if we were lenient, it would make the deal work. After three weeks of hoop-jumping, we're back to square one with nothing to show for all of the running around we've done. Them's the breaks I guess.
 

Vic

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Short sales are a courtesy. And quite frankly, you're probably up against a competing cash offer. It might be a little less, but why should they wait for your financing to close?
 

geno

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Originally posted by: Vic
Short sales are a courtesy. And quite frankly, you're probably up against a competing cash offer. It might be a little less, but why should they wait for your financing to close?

I happen to know of someone who made a cash offer which was about 10% less than our financed offer and it was rejected outright. There are no other offers on the table and all offers made over the past few weeks have not even been strong ones, according to the listing agent. By the time we could close, one of a few things could happen. A) They could have had us closing B) They can be in the process of waiting for someone else to close or C) They'll be sitting on it waiting for it to sell

C is going to happen if anyone else has to jump through their hoops.
 

Vette73

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If this is Fan Mae then write your congressman and senators.
Seems a little slezy that they are tryin gto force you into a certain loan. Maybe the people writing it up get better bonus/kickback?
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: v1001
No one wants to deal with FHA loans when at all possible. It is a HUGE pain in the arse. They cost the seller way more and put them through a huge hassle. It also takes longer to go through a lot of the times. And can make the sale drag on and on and on. That's the last thing the banks want. I've often come in with cash offers at 2 weeks closing and even though my offer was a lot less they took mine instead of the higher offers. It's all about speed and ease.

Actually FHA is pretty much the only option lenders have for low down loans.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: geno
Originally posted by: Vic
Short sales are a courtesy. And quite frankly, you're probably up against a competing cash offer. It might be a little less, but why should they wait for your financing to close?

I happen to know of someone who made a cash offer which was about 10% less than our financed offer and it was rejected outright. There are no other offers on the table and all offers made over the past few weeks have not even been strong ones, according to the listing agent. By the time we could close, one of a few things could happen. A) They could have had us closing B) They can be in the process of waiting for someone else to close or C) They'll be sitting on it waiting for it to sell

C is going to happen if anyone else has to jump through their hoops.

Or more like D) banks and servicing companies are swamped under with foreclosures and short sales right now and don't really care or want to deal with it. Think about it. If it's REO and in this market, they've already lost a lot of money on the house. What's a little more?
 

geno

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You know what, Vic? That's the truth of it. You're 100% correct, they are inundated. I just can't believe banks would make it so difficult to buy, at this point. How are they ever going to get out from under their own mess if they can't start moving properties? Here's an example where we're meeting their asking price and they can't give it enough attention to move the property. It's a mess. I'm just bitching like a wuss about it because I'm getting the short end of the stick, but it really really sucks.