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I hate auto repair shops so much!

Azndude51

Platinum Member
My car was hit by a guy running a red light, you can read about it here.

I had my repairs done at a very large auto dealer's collision center that was endorsed by the insurance. When the repairs were finished (after 3 1/2 weeks :roll🙂 I got my car back but the check engine light was on. This light was not on after the accident or when I brought my car in for the repairs. Also, the repainted trunk had multiple layers of the clear coat peel off in a small spot since someone probably accidentally scratched it before it was dry. The guy handling my repair (I'll call him Joe) reluctantly agreed to fix both problems.

When I brought my car in to have the paint redone, they also checked the computer and found out that the engine light was caused by a damaged O2 sensor. I think they probably damaged it when when realigning the frame or something. Joe told me that he told the service department (different part of the same car dealer) to order the part and that I should bring my car in there to get it fixed the following week. 2 days later the "Brake Lamp" warning light came on in my dash and I found out that neither of my brake lights were working (the center light worked though).

When I bring my car back to the service department, they recheck the engine light and check the brake light problem. Apparently they did not order the O2 sensor because they didn't know what the problem was, but that's bullshit since they had previously checked the computer and already said it was the O2 sensor.

Then they tell me that it's going cost $90 to fix the tail light and that they needed to order a part. Right after I leave the service center, I go back to Joe to make sure that the collision center will be covering the costs. He's kinda puzzled that it would cost $90 to fix the lights so he examines them himself and finds out that the bulb was installed improperly and that one of the metal connectors is no longer touching so he gets a screwdriver and bends it back into position. Joe just used a screwdriver and 1 minute to fix what the service center said would cost $90. However, the taillight probably wouldn't even have any problems if the collision center would have installed it properly in the first place

Now I just need to wait until the O2 sensor arrives which hopefully they actually ordered this time...

/rant

Anyone else have these types of problems when dealing with auto repair or service centers? I went to the company just because it was the biggest in town and endorsed by my insurance, but obviously even well established companies can suck.
 
hahaha, I bet you could have figured it out yourself if you looked at the rear taillights...

and I had to quote this :

"I think they probably damaged it when when realigning the frame or something."

hahaha, I do not think they 'realign' your frame....02's are typically connected to the exhaust (near the cat?) , near the front...that part made me LOL for some reason. I am not exactly a HUGE car guy, but wooo I laughed for some reason.

edit : for your tail lights though...that should have been fixed before you left -_-...pretty shotty car noobs!
 
I feel you...i went through two and still could not get it right...it is fucking pathetic what most of these places claim as good service and quality work. I went through Nationwide's supposedly Blue Ribbon service...what a joke. Both of the places I went to...the first was fraudulent in putting on the old parts and painting over it and billing the insurance company for it. The second on..there was overspray and drips everywhere...

It is almost not even worth it. They have my car for 2 months for a damn fender bender.

On my wife vehicle they did not replace the tie rod end..which I have know idea why...well...it broke ...while driving me and my children in it...luckily it was in the parking lot of target...

It is almost just a common state of affairs where these people in service are so fucking lazy ant pathetic that they can sleep at night know they have fucked someone royally. i cannot stand this type of shit...what is worse is the try to pass it off on you like you are some kind of numbnut that will not notice.

i do not know if there is a solution...other than do it yourself. i now know why my father learned how to do things for himself...because no one takes pride in anything...not even the damn plumber.
 
I'm sorry, but there's simply no way in heaven or on earth that the body shop could have caused the O2 sensor problem. None. Not possible. The body shop is only fixing it because it's a cheap way to shut you up because they think you'll make a scene.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I'm sorry, but there's simply no way in heaven or on earth that the body shop could have caused the O2 sensor problem. None. Not possible. The body shop is only fixing it because it's a cheap way to shut you up because they think you'll make a scene.

ZV

haha, that is what I thought too. I am glad I laughed at it.

It sounds like they are dragging him along and will eventually end up not fixing it.
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I'm sorry, but there's simply no way in heaven or on earth that the body shop could have caused the O2 sensor problem. None. Not possible. The body shop is only fixing it because it's a cheap way to shut you up because they think you'll make a scene.

ZV

Only way I could think would be a monkey hitting one with a hammer. Then it'd be broken off, not just not working.
 
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I'm sorry, but there's simply no way in heaven or on earth that the body shop could have caused the O2 sensor problem. None. Not possible. The body shop is only fixing it because it's a cheap way to shut you up because they think you'll make a scene.

ZV

Only way I could think would be a monkey hitting one with a hammer. Then it'd be broken off, not just not working.

From the photo of the accident, there's nothing that would require the body shop to get anywhere close to the front part of the exhaust where the O2 sensor lives. This is on the same level as the kind of people who come back to a mechanic saying things like, "You replaced my headlight bulbs three weeks ago and now my trunk leaks."

ZV
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I'm sorry, but there's simply no way in heaven or on earth that the body shop could have caused the O2 sensor problem. None. Not possible. The body shop is only fixing it because it's a cheap way to shut you up because they think you'll make a scene.

ZV

Only way I could think would be a monkey hitting one with a hammer. Then it'd be broken off, not just not working.

From the photo of the accident, there's nothing that would require the body shop to get anywhere close to the front part of the exhaust where the O2 sensor lives. This is on the same level as the kind of people who come back to a mechanic saying things like, "You replaced my headlight bulbs three weeks ago and now my trunk leaks."

ZV

I think where he is coming from is that it was damaged due to the accident, and that's why he wants the collision center to cover it - he wants the insurance to fix the problems caused by the accident.

If after an accident I got my car back from the shop and the CEL was on, I'd want it fixed under insurance too.
 
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I'm sorry, but there's simply no way in heaven or on earth that the body shop could have caused the O2 sensor problem. None. Not possible. The body shop is only fixing it because it's a cheap way to shut you up because they think you'll make a scene.

ZV

Only way I could think would be a monkey hitting one with a hammer. Then it'd be broken off, not just not working.

From the photo of the accident, there's nothing that would require the body shop to get anywhere close to the front part of the exhaust where the O2 sensor lives. This is on the same level as the kind of people who come back to a mechanic saying things like, "You replaced my headlight bulbs three weeks ago and now my trunk leaks."

ZV

I think where he is coming from is that it was damaged due to the accident, and that's why he wants the collision center to cover it - he wants the insurance to fix the problems caused by the accident.

If after an accident I got my car back from the shop and the CEL was on, I'd want it fixed under insurance too.

From the original post: "This light was not on after the accident or when I brought my car in for the repairs."

He's claiming that the body shop caused the problem.

And, from the photos of the accident, damage to the O2 sensor is not possible due to the accident. It's not a part that is affected by vibration or impact either. This is a coincidental failure that the shop is covering because they think he'll make a big scene in the lobby. That is all.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: OdiN
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I'm sorry, but there's simply no way in heaven or on earth that the body shop could have caused the O2 sensor problem. None. Not possible. The body shop is only fixing it because it's a cheap way to shut you up because they think you'll make a scene.

ZV

Only way I could think would be a monkey hitting one with a hammer. Then it'd be broken off, not just not working.

From the photo of the accident, there's nothing that would require the body shop to get anywhere close to the front part of the exhaust where the O2 sensor lives. This is on the same level as the kind of people who come back to a mechanic saying things like, "You replaced my headlight bulbs three weeks ago and now my trunk leaks."

ZV

I think where he is coming from is that it was damaged due to the accident, and that's why he wants the collision center to cover it - he wants the insurance to fix the problems caused by the accident.

If after an accident I got my car back from the shop and the CEL was on, I'd want it fixed under insurance too.

From the original post: "This light was not on after the accident or when I brought my car in for the repairs."

He's claiming that the body shop caused the problem.

And, from the photos of the accident, damage to the O2 sensor is not possible due to the accident. It's not a part that is affected by vibration or impact either. This is a coincidental failure that the shop is covering because they think he'll make a big scene in the lobby. That is all.

ZV

I have found that the light's don't just pop right on with an O2 issue...I didn't see the wreck pics though.
 
Originally posted by: OdiN
I have found that the light's don't just pop right on with an O2 issue...

You have found wrong. The instant an O2 sensor starts sending an out-of-spec signal, the CEL comes on. It may reset itself when the car is turned off, but it absolutely will come on immediately when an out-of-spec signal is received.

ZV
 
I have found that the light's don't just pop right on with an O2 issue...I didn't see the wreck pics though.

Ditto What Zen said. CEL will come on the second the O2 sensor sends an error signal. On my old Honda CRX whenever the CEL came on the first thing I did was get a new O2 sensor. If that didn't shut it off then I would take it in.

 
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I'm sorry, but there's simply no way in heaven or on earth that the body shop could have caused the O2 sensor problem. None. Not possible. The body shop is only fixing it because it's a cheap way to shut you up because they think you'll make a scene.

ZV

I know this maybe dumb, but looking at the picture the main point of impact looks to have been on the bumper near the exhaust/ muffler. I'm not expert but I believe there is a series of interconnected tubes that connect the muffler to the exhaust manifold where the 02 sensor resides. Is it possible that the exhaust pipe was removed or possible checked for damage and someone forgot to plug the 02 back in or the shock from the crash messed up the sensor?
 
Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
hahaha, I bet you could have figured it out yourself if you looked at the rear taillights...

and I had to quote this :

"I think they probably damaged it when when realigning the frame or something."

hahaha, I do not think they 'realign' your frame....02's are typically connected to the exhaust (near the cat?) , near the front...that part made me LOL for some reason. I am not exactly a HUGE car guy, but wooo I laughed for some reason.

edit : for your tail lights though...that should have been fixed before you left -_-...pretty shotty car noobs!

I was told that the O2 sensor was towards the rear of the engine and they said did have to adjust the unibody up front because it was out of alignment, I have no idea if that's anywhere near the O2 sensor or it would've effected the sensor. I also don't know if someone made a mistake somewhere and messed it up. Because most people like myself don't know enough about these things, they will assume that it was the shop's fault.

The sensor could be a coincidence or it might be their fault, IDK, but you guys are telling me that if the check engine light comes on on their watch, you would just let it slide and pay to fix it yourself? It doesn't really matter now though since I think Jeff is getting the insurance to cover it.

Also, I did check the taillights myself but only to see if the bulbs needed to be replaced.
 
Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
I'm sorry, but there's simply no way in heaven or on earth that the body shop could have caused the O2 sensor problem. None. Not possible. The body shop is only fixing it because it's a cheap way to shut you up because they think you'll make a scene.

ZV

I know this maybe dumb, but looking at the picture the main point of impact looks to have been on the bumper near the exhaust/ muffler. I'm not expert but I believe there is a series of interconnected tubes that connect the muffler to the exhaust manifold where the 02 sensor resides. Is it possible that the exhaust pipe was removed or possible checked for damage and someone forgot to plug the 02 back in or the shock from the crash messed up the sensor?

He said the O2 sensor needed to be replaced. If they just didn't plug it back in, they wouldn't have to replace it.

Even if they removed the exhaust, the flanges for the cat-back portion of it are usually aft of the last O2 sensor, so they shouldn't have had to mess with it at all.

ZV
 
Originally posted by: Azndude51
but you're telling me that if the check engine light comes on on their watch, you would just let it slide and pay to fix it yourself?

If it's something they would not have touched, then yes. If I take a car in for an oil change and it comes back with a burnt out brake light bulb, I'm not going to make the oil change place pay for the new bulb because they didn't touch it. If I get new tires put on the car and my sunroof stops working, I'm not going to make the tire shop pay for the sunroof since they didn't touch the thing.

Aside from cutting the wires, there's nothing that a shop can do that would kill an O2 sensor. Nothing.

ZV
 
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