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I guess you're all as meh about the OnePlus 2 too

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Who are you kidding?
If don't understand why the iPhone is a flagship already, then we're going to have to agree to disagree. Certainly the flagship market sales disagree. iOS, tight integration between all Apple devices, their App store, most usable cameras, etc - it's rarely been about chasing specs like Android devices. Case in point - their 8MP camera competes neck and neck with the S6/Note 5/G4 camera b/c of it's fast launch speed, fast focus, and consistent results in all conditions.

- The OP2 doesn't have minimal bezels. The screen to body ratio is worse than the Note 4 whereas the Note 5 is even better. The OP2 is good - it's just not near the best in 2015.

- The OP2 camera isn't as good as the above phones, especially in low light - whether in IQ, focus speed, or time to take photos. Again, it's basically good for 2014.

- The OP2, like all S810 devices, does ok in benches in the first run but throttle downs aggressively. I will give that for most people it's good enough, but again a flagship means you don't have to compromise for that year.

- The screen is a step down from the Note 5, not just in resolution. Touch response is average.

There's no need to try to proclaim that the OP2 is the best phone you can buy - it isn't and you'll lose credibility trying to bulldoze people into that opinion. The camera alone isn't in the league of the best phones of 2015, much less whatever the iPhone 6S Plus brings - and is enough to take it out of the discussion.

It's a good phone - be happy with it without trying to convince yourself it's some Jesus phone.
 
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Oh and besides things already known like NFC and QC, you also lose some benefits due to the lack of a carrier model like VOLTE, wifi calling, B&M support, etc.
 
Another reason why I'm not interested in the Two is that it's pretty obvious the OnePlus Two is a halfway product. It serves OPO to have something current this fall in order to stay relevant. The real contender is coming during the holiday season. Even Carl Pei's comments seem to indicate that he's a little "meh" (or at least not that excited) about the Two.

"There's going to be a second phone this year, before the end of the year. Hopefully for Christmas. It may or may not be (higher spec'd than the OnePlus 2)," said Pei during an interview with USA Today. "When I saw the prototype for that phone I was like 'holy s--- that's going to be my daily driver' but then when the OnePlus 2 production version came out it's also super nice, so its really hard to decide now what to use."
http://www.idigitaltimes.com/oneplu...-carl-pei-targets-3-million-sales-year-463803
 
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Honestly what I like the most about the OnePlus Two is the side notification switch. That is something that many miss about an iPhone. I don't like the idea of the experience being tied to it like on old iPhones, because when my 3GS switch died the phone became a pain to use. But I like the idea of a physical switch that can slice the device.

I think OnePlus should keep refining their ideas, and maybe the OnePlus 3 will be hard to turn down.
 
If don't understand why the iPhone is a flagship already, then we're going to have to agree to disagree. Certainly the flagship market sales disagree. iOS, tight integration between all Apple devices, their App store, most usable cameras, etc - it's rarely been about chasing specs like Android devices. Case in point - their 8MP camera competes neck and neck with the S6/Note 5/G4 camera b/c of it's fast launch speed, fast focus, and consistent results in all conditions.

- The OP2 doesn't have minimal bezels. The screen to body ratio is worse than the Note 4 whereas the Note 5 is even better. The OP2 is good - it's just not near the best in 2015.

- The OP2 camera isn't as good as the above phones, especially in low light - whether in IQ, focus speed, or time to take photos. Again, it's basically good for 2014.

- The OP2, like all S810 devices, does ok in benches in the first run but throttle downs aggressively. I will give that for most people it's good enough, but again a flagship means you don't have to compromise for that year.

- The screen is a step down from the Note 5, not just in resolution. Touch response is average.

There's no need to try to proclaim that the OP2 is the best phone you can buy - it isn't and you'll lose credibility trying to bulldoze people into that opinion. The camera alone isn't in the league of the best phones of 2015, much less whatever the iPhone 6S Plus brings - and is enough to take it out of the discussion.

It's a good phone - be happy with it without trying to convince yourself it's some Jesus phone.

iPhone Camera
Sorry but behind the curve. If I am right, iPhone 6S will have more megapixels.
Color accuracy is inferior to S6 / G4. You are living in 2014 if you think the iPhone 6 camera still holds its own. Color accuracy delta is around 8.5 whereas S6 and G4 are around 4-5.
Sharpness is also not a strong point and every blind test I have seen shows the limitations of the iPhone's 6 camera.

Likewise daily operation is a bit low, Apple animations are a tad slow, not as snappy as on competing devices.

I agree that Apple milk the best out of underspecced hardware, better than competing brands. But it is all the more frustrating that they do not upgrade their hardware! Instead of being ahead of competition they are just content trailing along.

Ecosystem is a moot point. To some it is a boon, to others it is a curse.

Apple is about the Apple brand and status symbol that it represents. But I don't think the iPhone 6Plus did too well considering Apple didn't publish any figures. And I am not in the market for a smaller device..

Regarding bezels, the dimension that counts is the width. And weight repartition. for example the iPhone 6 Plus is top heavy, which makes shifting the hand vertically perilous.

The OP2 actually has better color accuracy on the camera than the iPhone 6 with a delta of 6,4. It also has better video recording. In other areas (shutter speed, low light) the iPhone 6 has the edge. I will reserve judgement until after the camera OTA update, as it is obvious the camera was unfinished at launch.

But even at its current level, I know I will be able to get the kind of results I want. Still not G4 or S6 beastly level but good enough.

I have not said that OP2 is the best phone, I have given you criteria which for MY personal use make it the best phone. To reiterate:

  • iPhone 6 Plus is too cumbersome and well runs iOS
  • Galaxy S6/N5 runs knox and Touchwiz -I have had 4 galaxy devices, sorry but not gonna happen. They do well in battery tests because most test at low brightness, which favors LED but in every day life they drain fast (especially for web browsing and texting). Every reviewer agrees to say that OP2 has better battery life than S6 (which is not even a compliment).
  • Note 5 I think will have good battery life and is a great device overall, but again knox for me is a big no no, and since I don't like to use a case on already large phablets, glass design would be my last choice (not to mention it is not very grippy).
  • LG G4 has really nice display on par with OP2 and better camera, but I feel like battery life with the QHD display will be too weak compared with my OP1 and even OP2. Also has larger bezels than LG G3/OP2.

OP2's only small weaknesses are currently being ironed out.
  • Battery life improvements were made with the last OTA - retesting is starting now.
  • Camera update is due early September, which is meant to enhance the camera app with manual controls, raw support, improved low light performance and shut speed, etc.

but battery life is no worry to me. It is currently just a tad lower than OP1, but it has better standby and call time. I feel it only needs tweaking, as it is clear the phone is using too much power for video playing, 4G browsing or 4K video recording. With a custom Kernel and considering the 3,300 mAh size I think overtime the OP2 will be a battery champ.

But that's of course based on prior experience. I remember the S801 overheating when it was first launched and eventually through iterative updates the SOC became very efficient.

I think Qualcomm rushed with their 64bit architecture with unfinished chipset drivers.

Those are the reasons why the OP2, for me, will be the best phone. If Samsung had a more friendly stance towards custom ROM's, probably I would have gotten myself the N5, because everything else is nice about the phone (apart from that glass design).

But Sony, HTC, LG have not convinced me this year. LG came the closest with excellent camera (the best for me). It is just now is not the time to be buying a QHD display device when the S820 is just around the corner...makes no sense whatsoever if like me you are after the best battery life. I would only condone buying a QHD device if it is has a 14nm processor.
 
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Hard to have a discussion over the high shill.

Show me some actual evidence of the 801 being a trainwreck the way the 810 is.

Your preferences are yours. No one is arguing that. People are taking offense to you trying to foist your preferences on everyone else. It is odd that your preference happen to line up EXACTLY with the feature set of the 1+2. That never happens.

I still enjoy how you dismiss NFC just because you apparently "don't know what to do with it." Doesn't invalidate the point. Neither does simply ignoring the point about wireless charging or quick charging.

And this is without how stupid a Type-C connector on a usb 2.0 port is. Just killing those 2016 flagships, right there.

At least you stopped discussing the idea that the absence of NFC somehow protects your investment as opposed to cheapening it.
 
Hard to have a discussion over the high shill.

Show me some actual evidence of the 801 being a trainwreck the way the 810 is.

Your preferences are yours. No one is arguing that. People are taking offense to you trying to foist your preferences on everyone else. It is odd that your preference happen to line up EXACTLY with the feature set of the 1+2. That never happens.

I still enjoy how you dismiss NFC just because you apparently "don't know what to do with it." Doesn't invalidate the point. Neither does simply ignoring the point about wireless charging or quick charging.

And this is without how stupid a Type-C connector on a usb 2.0 port is. Just killing those 2016 flagships, right there.

At least you stopped discussing the idea that the absence of NFC somehow protects your investment as opposed to cheapening it.

LOL if that never happens then the market for the OP2 would be exactly zero.

The 810 has been a train wreck because it was rushed to market. f you don't believe that S810 devices will get better as time progresses when very little is optimized for 64bit and Octacores in Android, then our opinions diverge on this. The Op2 is one of those devices that will mature well.

I live in Germany. I don't need NFC now and by the time I need it I will have my next phone. Reselling price is just the best thing about the invitation system...there is literally no risk in purchasing the device now. You can count on me to buy an S820 device in a few months.

The Type C cable ends in a reversible regular USB, so it can be plugged into any charger.

When I travel I usually take only my cable, and I plug it to my laptop, or for long travels I will bring the charger but even I forget it, the charger of anyone will do, just as long as it has regular USB for my Type C cable.

The only disadvantage I can see is public charging booths, though I never use them, except maybe at some airports...I tend to sue my laptop on long distance trips.

OnePlus know their largest markets are Asia and Europe. Your carrier dominated market makes it harder for new entrants in the U.S. And it doesn't seem like they make this a priority, as they delayed the U.S. shipments the most. U.S is where NFC matters most. Coincidence?
 
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There is no way to realistically spin not having options. Unless you are a paid shill or mouth breathing fanboy then a person shouldn't have issue just saying the truth
 
There is no way to realistically spin not having options. Unless you are a paid shill or mouth breathing fanboy then a person shouldn't have issue just saying the truth

Or those options do not apply to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmkab1LUqlg

MKBHD happens to defend exactly the same stance. I have always said what makes a good flagship phone is the fundamentals of performance, battery life, display and camera.

But I personally also think it needs to have
  • Software that people can love
  • Design people can love (both aesthetics and ergonomics, e.g. thin bezels, hand feel)
  • at least 5 non essential differentiating features (e.g. fingerprint scanner, laser autofocus, OIS, front facing stereo speakers, double membrane microphone, mute button, QC2.0, Qi Charging, IR blaster, QHD display, Type C USB, swappable designs, other sensors)

Most cheap phones fail on the fundamentals. some good phones may fail on the extras. Flagship phones usually tick all the boxes and leave only a few differentiating features out.

Differentiating features in one year may become standard and not worth mentioning in the next or they may be usage/preference based. For example
  • QHD s is not essential in 2015 as there is a big upside to not having it. But 2016 it will probably become the norm with increased SOC power efficiency.
  • Some people need good speakers, but headphone users won't care

Some of these features may preclude a phone from being purchased by pockets of users in the market. But it is far more important that cheap phones can keep up with expensive flagships on the fundamentals. This is essentially where many sub flagship phones fail (Asus Zenfone 2, Lenovo Zuk Z1, etc.).

My personal view is that most imperfections we see in the market have to do with battery size.
Larger battery means more weight - competing with premium design (OP2 compromise)
Smaller battery means poor battery life - competing with QHD and powerful CPU (G4 and Moto X Style compromise)

If we had lighter batteries, we could have more performance and higher resolution displays in smartphones. But since we keep adding features that take battery (e.g. fingerprint scanner, QHD), all the CPU gains are being eaten away - and the weight constraint prevents OEMs from packing larger batteries.

If I were an OEM I would look closely at current battery developments and either acquire future technology now or build it in house (e.g. Samsung).

The first OEM to solve the battery equation will have an advantage that competitors will need a long time to recover from.
 
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Or those options do not apply to you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmkab1LUqlg

MKBHD happens to defend exactly the same stance. I have always said what makes a good flagship phone is the fundamentals of performance, battery life, display and camera.

But I personally also think it needs to have
  • Software that people can love
  • Design people can love (both aesthetics and ergonomics, e.g. thin bezels, hand feel)
  • at least 5 non essential differentiating features (e.g. fingerprint scanner, laser autofocus, OIS, front facing stereo speakers, double membrane microphone, mute button, QC2.0, Qi Charging, IR blaster, QHD display, Type C USB, swappable designs, other sensors)

Most cheap phones fail on the fundamentals. some good phones may fail on the extras. Flagship phones usually tick all the boxes and leave only a few differentiating features out.

Differentiating features in one year may become standard and not worth mentioning in the next or they may be usage/preference based. For example
  • QHD s is not essential in 2015 as there is a big upside to not having it. But 2016 it will probably become the norm with increased SOC power efficiency.
  • Some people need good speakers, but headphone users won't care

Some of these features may preclude a phone from being purchased by pockets of users in the market. But it is far more important that cheap phones can keep up with expensive flagships on the fundamentals. This is essentially where many sub flagship phones fail (Asus Zenfone 2, Lenovo Zuk Z1, etc.).

My personal view is that most imperfections we see in the market have to do with battery size.
Larger battery means more weight - competing with premium design (OP2 compromise)
Smaller battery means poor battery life - competing with QHD and powerful CPU (G4 and Moto X Style compromise)

If we had lighter batteries, we could have more performance and higher resolution displays in smartphones. But since we keep adding features that take battery (e.g. fingerprint scanner, QHD), all the CPU gains are being eaten away - and the weight constraint prevents OEMs from packing larger batteries.

If I were an OEM I would look closely at current battery developments and either acquire future technology now or build it in house (e.g. Samsung).

The first OEM to solve the battery equation will have an advantage that competitors will need a long time to recover from.



I dont care what mkbhd or anyone else says, not having options is not a good thing. Sure you may not use them but not having those options is not a +
 
This. Too many concessions. I think it's nice that there are options like the OP2, but this phone is a mid-range competitor and nothing more.

Look mate. I have owned:
  • M7, M8
  • S2, S4, S5
  • Asus Padfone 2
  • OnePlus One

I know what other flagship phones do for me. And yet the OnePlus 2 is blazing fast in daily operation, smooth, with 1800:1 contrast and D65 color temperature.

The camera has neutral colors and fast snapping. It is currently at 90% of S4/S6, on par with iPhone 6 Plus.
http://www.clubic.com/smartphone/android/article-777272-1-oneplus-2.html

And the camera update is yet to come.

Now post update my friend gets 5.5-6 hours of SOT, so similar to OPO on Lollilop.

So before you discard the phone as mid range, you should look at real life usage.

People who discard the phone as mid range device just have anxiety issues related to not being able to get an invitation and wasting money...

GPU performance and battery life have already eaten the S6 and LG G4 alive. Right now their camera is the only thing that separates them from the M9, OP2 and Mi Note Pro. And out of those 3, the OP2 has come closest. It will be interesting to see how the camera update pans out!

Edit: it seems the camera cannot be considered a firm competitive advantage for the S6/G4 anymore:
http://www.slashgear.com/oneplus-2-wins-blind-camera-test-vs-iphone-6-galaxy-s6-lg-g4-25399250/

And that's even before the upcoming camera update. Of course it doesn't mean it has the best camera overall, but under average conditions you have a level of certainty that it can do as well if not better than the best in the market. S6 and G4 probably still have an edge in low light pre-update and also in terms of video.

The jumpy focus in videos seems like an easy fix. The aliasing in videos is just a processing issue. The HDR mode oversaturation is also an optimization issue.

Once they have fixed those minor issues, OP2 will have earned its top spot. It will be interesting.

62% of smartphone users wish better battery life for their next smartphone. OP2 is about to deliver just that making it a highly desired kit.

The improvements with v2.0.1 already seem substantial. I can see why OnePlus decided to postpone the bulk of the invites till September. They themselves admitted that very good was not enough and they wanted the best experience right off the bat and needed more time to achieve that. They live and die on word of mouth. Through their forum everything about the device is under intense scrutiny. Because of their business model they cannot afford anything else than excellence and I think so far their decision is paying off.
 
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I dont care what mkbhd or anyone else says, not having options is not a good thing. Sure you may not use them but not having those options is not a +

Not having a particular option is definitely not a + but it is only bad in so far as you need that option and it matters to you personally. There will always be people who have peculiar expectations which means that a device is a no no from the get go.

This is the case for me with S6: small display, glass design, too flat and not comfortable to hold, small battery and rooting-adverse knox.

Everyone has got different options that matter to them. It doesn't mean I would talk other people out of purchasing the s6 if those things don't matter to them...As long as the basics are good, why discriminate beyond own preferences?
 
Not having a particular option is definitely not a + but it is only bad in so far as you need that option and it matters to you personally. There will always be people who have peculiar expectations which means that a device is a no no from the get go.

This is the case for me with S6: small display, glass design, too flat and not comfortable to hold, small battery and rooting-adverse knox.

Everyone has got different options that matter to them. It doesn't mean I would talk other people out of purchasing the s6 if those things don't matter to them...As long as the basics are good, why discriminate beyond own preferences?
I applaud you for having a relatively unbiased view on this phone. I agree there will be certain people whining about NFC, Qi, etc. but for the average user, these features aren't the main issues.

A clean and usable OS, followed by battery are going to be your #1 and #2 concerns in most cases. This is also assuming the device isn't butt ugly, which it isn't, and size-wise its pretty similar to other devices.

If the lack of NFC and fast charging are dealbreakers that's fine, but for most people that's not the case. I also don't get people calling this phone mid-range. Is it mid-range because it doesn't have the features that you want? Or is it because its seriously a midrange phone like a Moto G?
 
I know what other flagship phones do for me. And yet the OnePlus 2 is blazing fast in daily operation, smooth, with 1800:1 contrast and D65 color temperature.
Ah yes - normal people buy phones for the 1800:1 contrast and D65 color temperature. This may be more subtle than Achtung but *rolls eyes*.

The camera has neutral colors and fast snapping. It is currently at 90% of S4/S6, on par with iPhone 6 Plus.
http://www.clubic.com/smartphone/android/article-777272-1-oneplus-2.html

And the camera update is yet to come.
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Android cameras have been good in daylight for a long time. It's low light, AF quality, and focus speed that they've been inferior to the iPhone, especially combined (low light focus speed). Everything I've heard about the OP2 seems to continue this trend - good IQ and average AF speed in daylight, poor focus speed in low light. It's the same thing as the Note 4 - if you have super steady hands and hope your subject doesn't move at all, you can take great low light photos. But 90% of the time it's going to be a blurry mess.

And everything you hope can be fixed in a software update, like the poor HDR mode, was never resolved on the OPO after a year. I wouldn't hold my breath on a magical software update.
 
Ah yes - normal people buy phones for the 1800:1 contrast and D65 color temperature. This may be more subtle than Achtung but *rolls eyes*.

I am a display junkie, bite me 🙂 More seriously, good sunlight legibility and deep blacks would be the layman's expectation out of a display.

Android cameras have been good in daylight for a long time. It's low light, AF quality, and focus speed that they've been inferior to the iPhone, especially combined (low light focus speed). Everything I've heard about the OP2 seems to continue this trend - good IQ and average AF speed in daylight, poor focus speed in low light. It's the same thing as the Note 4 - if you have super steady hands and hope your subject doesn't move at all, you can take great low light photos. But 90% of the time it's going to be a blurry mess.

There is truth in what you are saying although the situation is not as dire as it used to be now that most support phase detection. Also I wouldn't put all Android cameras in the same category. HTC Ultrapixel (2µm pixel size) camera had fast focussing speed in low light. The OnePlus 2 camera also packs larger pixels (1.3µm), although not as large as Apple's 1.5µm.

It will be interesting to see if Apple's leaked 12MP camera sensor will maintain that pixel size for the 6S.

And everything you hope can be fixed in a software update, like the poor HDR mode, was never resolved on the OPO after a year. I wouldn't hold my breath on a magical software update.

Last year OnePlus had no engineers dedicated to the camera. They themselves admitted to shipping with the Sony drivers and Qualcomm DSP.

Since then they have hired 200 engineers, 15 of which dedicated only to the camera. Some reviewers mentioned that successive updates have increased shutter speed from 0,9 sec to 0,26sec currently and since Carl Pei's interview a few weeks back we know that OnePlus are fully dedicated to providing the best camera experience.

So, while there is no guarantee that they will succeed in fixing the last few flaws highlighted in the latest reviews, it is not utterly unlikely either. I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt for now and wait for the camera update.

Personally I am not a big fan of HDR. I think the clear picture functionality of OnePlus is often just as good.
 
I was just about set on ordering a Z5 Compact from the UK, and I randomly get an invite for an OP2 this morning. I still don't think I want a 5.5" phone, but it's at least worth thinking about.
 
Yep, had it at least had QC and NFC I would have bought it in a heart beat. Instead I gave away the 3 invites I got and picked up a new Nexus phone (can't wait for it to be delivered).
For me all it lacks that keeps me from buying it is NFC. I want to see contactless payment systems take off soon and not having NFC in the OP2 is a massive deal-breaker.
 
My invite expired well before the supposed 24 hour limit, so it's a moot point for me anyway. Sounds like I'm back to a z5c anyway.
 
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