I guess you're all as meh about the OnePlus 2 too

s44

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No thread yet.

Also, no microSD or battery swap, no wireless charging or quick charge, no NFC, no more stereo speakers. Add the usual SD810 stuff and the availability nonsense and I'm not sure why someone would pick this over the new 5.5" Moto X.

$330 for 16gb, $390 for 64gb.
 

bearxor

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This phone hits most of my wants from an Android device.

No on-screen menu bar. Fingerprint sensor on the home button. And an actual home button (capacitive though...). A physical switch to turn notifications on/off. A decent camera.

I know a lot of you care about things like microsd or wireless charging but I couldn't care less. Then again, all those things above is probably why I'm an iPhone owner...

But I still don't see what this phone is missing that would make another phone worth double the price. What's in a Galaxy S6 that makes it worth $750 while this is only $390?

If you're in the android ecosystem, I just don't know why you'd ever purchase a phone over $400 these days...
 

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This phone hits most of my wants from an Android device.

No on-screen menu bar. Fingerprint sensor on the home button. And an actual home button (capacitive though...). A physical switch to turn notifications on/off. A decent camera.

I know a lot of you care about things like microsd or wireless charging but I couldn't care less. Then again, all those things above is probably why I'm an iPhone owner...

But I still don't see what this phone is missing that would make another phone worth double the price. What's in a Galaxy S6 that makes it worth $750 while this is only $390?

If you're in the android ecosystem, I just don't know why you'd ever purchase a phone over $400 these days...

Eh you can make that argument for anything these days, including the upcoming iPhone 6S. You'll probably be able to pick up the normal 6 for several hundred less at launch - is the incremental S update worth it when the 6 gives you 90% of the device?

The S6 is $650 and IMO if you want the "best" Android device, it does have things that are worth a premium. However, I totally get that plenty of people are happy with a good enough phone these days.

1. The camera is probably better than the OP2 in the same way the iPhone 6 camera is better than the 5S. Both are good, one is better.

2. At least last year, OPO customers were guinea pigs with basically 0 support. You do pay more to get real support and/or directly from your carrier.

3. A bit better everything - screen, storage, SOC, etc. Is pretty good, good enough for you or do you want the best available that year?

4. Wireless charging, quick charging, NFC (If you care about Google Wallet, Android Pay, Samsung Pay, etc).

Again I totally get that plenty of people would be happy with this. But for me, a couple hundred more to get the best available every year is worth it, especially when you sell your previous phone to cover more than 1/2 the cost anyway. I'd plan on getting the Note 5 to replace my Note 4 - the OP2, while interesting and a good value, doesn't interest me much. Doubly so after trying the OPO for a few months last summer and being a bit underwhelmed (screen touch issues).
 

s44

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Yeah, the lack of QC was clearly one of the ways they kept the price down. You're playing a device lottery that involves international shipment two ways if you lose.
 

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Yeah, the lack of QC was clearly one of the ways they kept the price down. You're playing a device lottery that involves international shipment two ways if you lose.

is QC built into the chip snapdragon chip?
I thought the SD810 supports QC.
 

s44

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Sorry, I meant quality control.

As far as quick charge, there's apparently a budget version of the 810 that doesn't support it? Or maybe it's a conflict with USB type C, as AP speculates.
 

s44

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Price for one. Didn't the last Moto X debut at $499? If this one is the same that's a pretty big difference
Welp, there are now two Xes, but the all-US-carrier Pure version of the 5.7" version is launching at $400. I don't think too many people here will pick the 1+2 over that.
 

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The latest Apple device is always worth picking up for Apple people, because Apple artificially restricts features on older devices.

Didn't care much for bearxor's largely ignorant post.

They'll care about things wireless charging if Apple ever decides to bless their userbase with that innovation that they totally came up with themselves.
 

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No Qi, no microSD, even worse they have swappable backs? Arghhh. Plus the CEO was pretty snotty about Qi back in the spring and I went pfffft.

Also, damnit, I want an IR blaster. Any Android phone for me will just be something to have around and play with, won't be used as any sort of daily driver or anything. :p
 

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Only thing I want is nfc and an ir blaster. It seems kind of meh, but looks nice otherwise (price). Also s810 is a flop, not really interested in any phone with it. Waiting for nexus 2015.
 
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dawheat

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Welp, there are now two Xes, but the all-US-carrier Pure version of the 5.7" version is launching at $400. I don't think too many people here will pick the 1+2 over that.

Hmm I'm a bit conflicted about the Moto X. 5.7" QHD screen, Snapdragon 808, 3GB memory, 16GB base (I assume for the $400), 21MP camera which may actually be a negative at night unless the sensor is oversized (does it have OIS, it's a bit unclear?), and a 3000mAh battery.

Basically similar to the G4 or the Note 4 and not a step forward in any way. So say the 32GB version is $450, you're getting a decent value but not an amazing one considering it's basically a 2014 flagship.

Though it does make a growing sweet spot around $400 this year for Android.
 

s44

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Why are you looking at the 32gb version? 128gb microSD is like $70 now.
 

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Eh you can make that argument for anything these days, including the upcoming iPhone 6S. You'll probably be able to pick up the normal 6 for several hundred less at launch - is the incremental S update worth it when the 6 gives you 90% of the device?

The S6 is $650 and IMO if you want the "best" Android device, it does have things that are worth a premium. However, I totally get that plenty of people are happy with a good enough phone these days.

1. The camera is probably better than the OP2 in the same way the iPhone 6 camera is better than the 5S. Both are good, one is better.

2. At least last year, OPO customers were guinea pigs with basically 0 support. You do pay more to get real support and/or directly from your carrier.

3. A bit better everything - screen, storage, SOC, etc. Is pretty good, good enough for you or do you want the best available that year?

4. Wireless charging, quick charging, NFC (If you care about Google Wallet, Android Pay, Samsung Pay, etc).

Again I totally get that plenty of people would be happy with this. But for me, a couple hundred more to get the best available every year is worth it, especially when you sell your previous phone to cover more than 1/2 the cost anyway. I'd plan on getting the Note 5 to replace my Note 4 - the OP2, while interesting and a good value, doesn't interest me much. Doubly so after trying the OPO for a few months last summer and being a bit underwhelmed (screen touch issues).

It's not JUST the OPO/T though. There are so many excellent phones with flagship specs from various different companies that come in at the 400 or less price point.

Unless there's something very specific that you're looking for that one of the mid-range devices doesn't have then I simply don't see the point in spending to get to a high-end android device.

If you like the Note with the digitizer support that's a very specific feature you're not going to get in a OPT or MotoX. If you want a high-end camera you're not going to get that either. But the vast majority of the feature you're pointing out just don't matter to most people.

I mean, I'm a little peeved at Apple too. They released the new iPod Touch that's essentially an iPhone 6 for $200. You can't convince me there's an extra $450 worth of components in an iPhone 6.

But I'm also past even comparing iOS and Android devices. If you want iOS you only have one choice. And it's a consistent release schedule every year with specific differentiation to the previous model. With Android you have so many devices that are so similar to each other in various price ranges. It's pretty fantastic that you have that much choice but I'm sad that the higher-end devices don't have to compete on price for whatever reason.
 

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Their whole mantra at the beginning was to build the best affordable high-end device. Now they're just releasing a derivative of all the other affordable high-end Chinese phones out there. Certainly nothing stands out on the OP2 and good luck with their ordering system again lol.
 

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Wife still has the One Plus One and it still kicks ass. It's not about more features or "killer specs". It's the whole smooth experience. She doesn't even want the iPhone 6 which is music to my ears and more money in my pocket.
 

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Give me battery life or give me death, all the other specs have advanced to a point that this is the only thing that really matters now besides price for any midrange or high end 2015 or new cellphone.




Yes I want so way of "not thinking charging" which is the difference between wireless charging and usb charging. But total battery life is the most important. I want a battery life that can last 2 real days so we are talking 20 to 30 hours.




What is the difference between wireless and usb charging, you may ask?

One requires you to dedicate enough attention to grab a small cable, and to plug it in small hole which requires a precise alignment of the parts, aka attention to detail. Wireless charging by contrast is just placing it on a mat.

This may seem like a no big deal and it is no big deal when that is the only thing you need to do at that moment. But add distractions, add disrupted routines, add other things you need to focus on at that very moment, add you are in the zone thinking and thus you are your own distraction and all this translates into not remembering to plug in your phone.

With conscious higher order thought can only do 1 thing at a time. It can "fast task" dozens of things per second but this is still only do 1 thing at a time. Using your eyes to place something in a precise spot, and to align a connector into a hole requires the conscious higher order thought part of the brain. An area in the frontal lobe called the FEF (frontal eye fields), an area in the back of the brain called the IPS (intraparietal sulcus), and to a lesser extent other brain areas such as the SEF (secondary eye fields) plus numerous subcortical structures such as the Basal Ganglia, Cerebellum, etc.

And each time you shift attention from 1 subject to a completely different subject there is a cognitive cost. You are more likely to make a mistake and forget some important detail, or get distracted from your list of important goals.




By contrast wireless charging does not need all that fine motor detail, and it can become an automatic algorithm which does not need the higher order brain areas. Your brain enters a room that you are familiar with, and it just places the phone on the mat while doing something else with your eyes and your hands, people call this implicit cognition, or automatic thinking, or unconscious decision making. Why because the tasks is so simple your brain can make it into a little subroutine and dedicate small little brain areas just to that task. While higher order cognitive thinking has no such thing as multitasking, only fast tasking, automatic thinking is capable of multitasking for each of these smaller dedicated brain areas only have to work on that task it is self contained and it can be run in parallel with other similar subroutines.

Effectively to use a computer analogy your higher order brain is a Single Core CPU without hyperthreading. One thing at a time, but it has cache and ram to store multiple algorithms, and it can switch tasks but still can only do 1 thing at a time in its pipeline. The implicit or automatic brain is instead dedicating specific hardware for routine tasks, things like ASIC (application specific integrated circuit), FPGA (Field Programmable Gate Array), various forms of hardware decoders and encoders such as video and audio, all of this designed to take types of mental loads off the higher order mainline cpu.



Thus wireless charging is very important for a phone, or something similar which create a system of you automatically recharging the battery without thinking about it. The battery should always be full and if your unconscious habits will make the phone be always full more often that is a very good thing.


But another solution is just give a big enough battery that even if your day goes to hell, you still have 1 more day charge, and hopefully you will remember to plug it in before the 2nd day is up.
 
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Hmm I'm a bit conflicted about the Moto X. 5.7" QHD screen, Snapdragon 808, 3GB memory, 16GB base (I assume for the $400), 21MP camera which may actually be a negative at night unless the sensor is oversized (does it have OIS, it's a bit unclear?), and a 3000mAh battery.

Basically similar to the G4 or the Note 4 and not a step forward in any way. So say the 32GB version is $450, you're getting a decent value but not an amazing one considering it's basically a 2014 flagship.

Though it does make a growing sweet spot around $400 this year for Android.

Well, all of these devices have phablet QHD screens and very capable (as far as we know for the X Style) cameras. There's also a very nice set of material choices with leather and metal frames which also enhance the feeling of these phones, as well. Pretty killer if you ask me.

And all of these devices cost less than normal sized phones from iPhone 6 or Galaxy S6. I guess Note 4 has some issues with its Lollipop update, but which device hasn't had issues with Lollipop?
 
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I'm interested in this device. For me using it under bursty browsing loads the S810 isn't an issue for me.

Screen will be great, I need something with a decent battery over my Nexus5.

One offput of this is one plus themselves, notoriously they are bad for warrenty issues and RMA.

I'm interested in performance as per S801.
I'm sure that a 2.5GHz Krait 450 is faster than 1.8GHz A57 Arm cores.

Does the increase in memory bandwidth and potentially faster NAND performance make this a faster/snappier device. (Ignoring GPU performance).
 
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thilanliyan

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Kinda looking for AMOLED screens these days...LCDs just can't match up to AMOLEDs imo, especially sunlight legibility which is important to me. And having used a HTC One before, stereo speakers are kinda important for me as well. Will wait for full reviews of the OPT though before deciding on my next phone.