I guess we know where the Obama Administration stands on the border issues

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Socio
Secretary Napolitano Issues Additional Action Directives on "Northern" Border Strategy

U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano today issued a second round of action directives on cyber security and the northern border strategy.

These action directives instruct specific offices to gather information, review existing strategies and programs, and to provide oral and written reports back to her by mid February.

Northern Border Strategy. The northern border of the United States has become, since 9/11, important to our national security. As we have designed programs to afford greater protection against unlawful entry, members of Congress and homeland security experts have called for increased attention to the Canadian border. What are the current vulnerabilities, the overall strategy for reducing those vulnerabilities, the requirements, the programs, the budget, and the timeframe for improving security along this border and what level of risk will remain once the programs are completed? An oral report is due by Feb. 10, with a final report due Feb. 17

Not so much as one word about the Southern border like it does not even exist!

Thus it seems pretty evident the Obama Administration intends to ease up on the Mexican border and are going to use the Canadian border as a red herring to divert attention from the fact.

This also begs the question; What in the hell does Mexico have on the US Government that makes them want to do as little as possible on the Southern border?

It must be huge what ever it is.

???

I live in Az, and Napolitano has wanted much tighter security. That wont change.

Hardly!

She does not support the enforcement of the current immigration laws, she is pro-amnesty, she does not even want them to leave get in line and come back. We have millions in this country without jobs and she thinks we need even more immigrants. So it should be no surprise she will ignore the Southern Border as much as possible. In fact I would bet we will see resources diverted from the Southern border to the interior or Northern border in the next six months.

Obama Taps Open Borders & Pro Amnesty Gov. Napolitano for Homeland Security

In the January 2008 interview, Napolitano

While Napolitano would focus on interior enforcement of employer sanctions, she would also urge Congress to increase the number of work visas because, in her view, the current number is "obviously inadequate to meet our current and future labor needs."

Earned legalization for illegal immigrants must be on the next president's agenda, added Napolitano. In contrast with some congressional Republicans who want to delay earned legalization until new border security measures are enacted, Napolitano said, "I don't know that you should do those sequentially."

In exchange for a pathway to citizenship, Napolitano would require illegal immigrants to pay a fine, learn English, and "get in line."

She would not, however, require illegal immigrants to "touchback" in their country of origin before getting a pathway to earned legalization.

Napolitano Receiving Mixed Reviews

"She's been an impediment to securing our borders. She's been an impediment to enforcing the law," Arizona Rep. Russell Pearce told the Arizona Capitol Times.

Even some Democrats have viewed Napolitano?s experience with border control and immigration with some skepticism.

"I think immigration came at her. She was very effective at countering, but it wasn't her choosing," Rep. Ben Miranda told the Arizona Capitol Times. "We were at Ground Zero for immigration in Arizona."

Now it is her choosing and she will choose to not, of that I have no doubt.

Uh... I don't know how to break this to you, but border security, and amnesty for people that are already here, are 2 totally different things.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Socio
Secretary Napolitano Issues Additional Action Directives on "Northern" Border Strategy

U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano today issued a second round of action directives on cyber security and the northern border strategy.

These action directives instruct specific offices to gather information, review existing strategies and programs, and to provide oral and written reports back to her by mid February.

Northern Border Strategy. The northern border of the United States has become, since 9/11, important to our national security. As we have designed programs to afford greater protection against unlawful entry, members of Congress and homeland security experts have called for increased attention to the Canadian border. What are the current vulnerabilities, the overall strategy for reducing those vulnerabilities, the requirements, the programs, the budget, and the timeframe for improving security along this border and what level of risk will remain once the programs are completed? An oral report is due by Feb. 10, with a final report due Feb. 17

Not so much as one word about the Southern border like it does not even exist!

Thus it seems pretty evident the Obama Administration intends to ease up on the Mexican border and are going to use the Canadian border as a red herring to divert attention from the fact.

This also begs the question; What in the hell does Mexico have on the US Government that makes them want to do as little as possible on the Southern border?

It must be huge what ever it is.

???

I live in Az, and Napolitano has wanted much tighter security. That wont change. This is not the entire border strategy you are listening too, its just the one portion... but nice try... anything to criticize the Obama admin, is fair game, isnt it.

Mr. Napolitano is an open borders supporter and always has been.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Socio
Secretary Napolitano Issues Additional Action Directives on "Northern" Border Strategy

U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano today issued a second round of action directives on cyber security and the northern border strategy.

These action directives instruct specific offices to gather information, review existing strategies and programs, and to provide oral and written reports back to her by mid February.

Northern Border Strategy. The northern border of the United States has become, since 9/11, important to our national security. As we have designed programs to afford greater protection against unlawful entry, members of Congress and homeland security experts have called for increased attention to the Canadian border. What are the current vulnerabilities, the overall strategy for reducing those vulnerabilities, the requirements, the programs, the budget, and the timeframe for improving security along this border and what level of risk will remain once the programs are completed? An oral report is due by Feb. 10, with a final report due Feb. 17

Not so much as one word about the Southern border like it does not even exist!

Thus it seems pretty evident the Obama Administration intends to ease up on the Mexican border and are going to use the Canadian border as a red herring to divert attention from the fact.

This also begs the question; What in the hell does Mexico have on the US Government that makes them want to do as little as possible on the Southern border?

It must be huge what ever it is.

An open border policy now, coupled with a new round of amnesty for illegals = free votes for Obama.

I believe the popular vote in the 2008 elections cost him roughly $9.00 each.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Danwar
too many crackheads & marijuana smokers in the US.

if you close the southern border you would have civil uprising.

Are you referring to our president?

 

[Danwar]

Originally posted by: nixium
Not to encourage the paranoid OP of this thread - but I sure hope the US government is closely monitoring developments in Mexico. The past few months have not been good.

http://online.wsj.com/article/...tml?mod=googlenews_wsj

Tally all this up and what you get is Mexico on the edge of chaos, and a mess that could easily bleed across the border. The U.S. Joint Forces Command in Norfolk, Va., warned recently that an unstable Mexico "could represent a homeland security problem of immense proportions to the United States." In a report titled "Joint Operating Environment 2008," the Command singles out Mexico and Pakistan as potentially failing states. Both "bear consideration for a rapid and sudden collapse . . . . The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police, and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and pressure by criminal gangs and drug cartels."

The drug related problem going on in mexico is due to all the Drug cartels. its a big business. worth a lot of money to these people.

It wont ever go away until the USA and its laughable DEA gets off its ass and starts actually doing something to crack down on all the distribuition cartels working inside the US.

Mexico is responsible for all the drugs REACHING the US border, but once its there its the DEA who should be doing something to stop them from reaching every single US city.

Mexico has and its responsible for the production and transportation cartels reaching the US border.
The USA has distribuition cartels that the DEA doesnt seems to care enough to bother working inside the country.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Since 2007 there has been a substantial 'self-deportation' - some estimates greater than 10%. Some organizations have noted the 'unskilled' or low-skilled labor market as 'at-risk'. I'm sure those Wall Street bankers (and others) who lose their jobs will go work in a factory 'chicken line'.

And, yes. The northern border would be considered a significant risk - as are our ports.

AMERICA'S NORTHERN BORDER
from Sept, 2007

~~~~~ I hope my colleagues are as attentive as the media is on this issue. Let me take a moment to read some of the Government Accountability Office's report.

It said:

Our visits [referring to the GAO's investigations of the Northern border] show that Customs and Border Protection faces significant challenges in effectively monitoring the border and preventing undetected entry into the United States. Our work shows that a determined cross-border violator would likely be able to bring radioactive materials or other contraband undetected into the United States by crossing the United States-Canadian border at any of the locations we investigated.

Think about that for a moment. The Government Accountability Office is saying that terrorists are currently able to smuggle radiological, biological, or chemical weapons into our country without much difficulty. If this were to happen, our worst nightmare scenario would become a reality.

Finally. An administration that pays attention.

You mean that is full of crap; from what I understand all major border crossings are now fitted with radioactive detection equipment so they could not just drive through a check point with radioactive material.

Plus If Mexico can ship 1000's of tons of drugs a year in to the US via the Southern border with ease I would think it would be much easier for terrorists to smuggle stuff from there than Canada, thus a far more dangerous and far more likely scenario.

Which of course would make pointing north really just a diversionary tactic to keep the Southern border open and I believe that is all it is.

Drug Gangs Have Mexico on the Ropes

Mexico produces an estimated eight metric tons of heroin a year and 10,000 metric tons of marijuana. He also points out that "90% of all U.S. cocaine transits Mexico" and Mexico is "the dominant source of methamphetamine production for the U.S."

 

[Deeko]

lol @ the op

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Socio
You mean tghat is full of crap; from what I understand all major border crossings are now fitted with radioactive detection equipment so they could not just drive through a check point with radioactive material.

Plus If Mexico can ship 1000's of tons of drugs a year in to the US via the Southern border with ease I would think it would be much easier for terrorists to smuggle stuff from there than Canada, thus a far more dangerous and far more likely scenario.

Which of course would make pointing north really just a diversionary tactic to keep the Southern border open and I believe that is all it is.

Drug Gangs Have Mexico on the Ropes

Mexico produces an estimated eight metric tons of heroin a year and 10,000 metric tons of marijuana. He also points out that "90% of all U.S. cocaine transits Mexico" and Mexico is "the dominant source of methamphetamine production for the U.S."

How the hell do you figure that? They smuggle it through the southern border because it makes a hell of a lot more sense than growing it in Mexico, sailing it 1-2 thousand miles up to the Canadian coast, and then driving it back down from the north. Every border crossing in the north sure as HELL doesn't have radiation detecting equipment. Have you ever crossed the US/Canadian border? A lot of the time it's a guy or two in a guard shack.

Getting a large, heavy, radioactive item like a nuclear weapon would be way way easier through the northern border than the southern one due to the fact that enforcement in the north is a tiny fraction of that in the south. I have a friend who works at the Otay Mesa border crossing (not far away from the San Ysidro/Tijuana crossing, the busiest in the world) and she sees drugs smuggled in every imaginable place in a car or on a person. You simply can't smuggle nuclear weapons like you smuggle drugs, it's not even in the same ballpark.

So no, any smart terrorist would not smuggle nuclear weapons in from the south.

 

[jackschmittusa]

nobodyknows

Sorry, but you fail logic 101 too unless you can fill in the blank

talk about northern boarder security

???????????????????????
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conclusion: doesn't care about southern boarder

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Socio
You mean tghat is full of crap; from what I understand all major border crossings are now fitted with radioactive detection equipment so they could not just drive through a check point with radioactive material.

Plus If Mexico can ship 1000's of tons of drugs a year in to the US via the Southern border with ease I would think it would be much easier for terrorists to smuggle stuff from there than Canada, thus a far more dangerous and far more likely scenario.

Which of course would make pointing north really just a diversionary tactic to keep the Southern border open and I believe that is all it is.

Drug Gangs Have Mexico on the Ropes

Mexico produces an estimated eight metric tons of heroin a year and 10,000 metric tons of marijuana. He also points out that "90% of all U.S. cocaine transits Mexico" and Mexico is "the dominant source of methamphetamine production for the U.S."

How the hell do you figure that? They smuggle it through the southern border because it makes a hell of a lot more sense than growing it in Mexico, sailing it 1-2 thousand miles up to the Canadian coast, and then driving it back down from the north. Every border crossing in the north sure as HELL doesn't have radiation detecting equipment. Have you ever crossed the US/Canadian border? A lot of the time it's a guy or two in a guard shack.

Getting a large, heavy, radioactive item like a nuclear weapon would be way way easier through the northern border than the southern one due to the fact that enforcement in the north is a tiny fraction of that in the south. I have a friend who works at the Otay Mesa border crossing (not far away from the San Ysidro/Tijuana crossing, the busiest in the world) and she sees drugs smuggled in every imaginable place in a car or on a person. You simply can't smuggle nuclear weapons like you smuggle drugs, it's not even in the same ballpark.

So no, any smart terrorist would not smuggle nuclear weapons in from the south.

If you were a terrorist bent on screwing the US over, would it be easier to get that "large, heavy, radioactive item" into Mexico or Canada?

 

[heyheybooboo]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Since 2007 there has been a substantial 'self-deportation' - some estimates greater than 10%. Some organizations have noted the 'unskilled' or low-skilled labor market as 'at-risk'. I'm sure those Wall Street bankers (and others) who lose their jobs will go work in a factory 'chicken line'.

And, yes. The northern border would be considered a significant risk - as are our ports.

AMERICA'S NORTHERN BORDER
from Sept, 2007

~~~~~ I hope my colleagues are as attentive as the media is on this issue. Let me take a moment to read some of the Government Accountability Office's report.

It said:

Our visits [referring to the GAO's investigations of the Northern border] show that Customs and Border Protection faces significant challenges in effectively monitoring the border and preventing undetected entry into the United States. Our work shows that a determined cross-border violator would likely be able to bring radioactive materials or other contraband undetected into the United States by crossing the United States-Canadian border at any of the locations we investigated.

Think about that for a moment. The Government Accountability Office is saying that terrorists are currently able to smuggle radiological, biological, or chemical weapons into our country without much difficulty. If this were to happen, our worst nightmare scenario would become a reality.

Finally. An administration that pays attention.

You mean that is full of crap; from what I understand all major border crossings are now fitted with radioactive detection equipment so they could not just drive through a check point with radioactive material.

Plus If Mexico can ship 1000's of tons of drugs a year in to the US via the Southern border with ease I would think it would be much easier for terrorists to smuggle stuff from there than Canada, thus a far more dangerous and far more likely scenario.

Which of course would make pointing north really just a diversionary tactic to keep the Southern border open and I believe that is all it is.

Drug Gangs Have Mexico on the Ropes

Mexico produces an estimated eight metric tons of heroin a year and 10,000 metric tons of marijuana. He also points out that "90% of all U.S. cocaine transits Mexico" and Mexico is "the dominant source of methamphetamine production for the U.S."

Before running off on any more of your bizarro non sequitur tangents check out this GAO Report ""DHS?s Report Could Better Inform Congress by Identifying Actions, Resources, and Time Frames Needed to Address Vulnerabilities "" from November, 2008, on the DHS failing to complete northern border security recommendations. From a Congressional press release in September, 2007:

The GAO investigators assessed seven border areas that were unmanned, unmonitored or both. Four were on the U.S.-Canada border. And three were on the U.S.-Mexico border. In three of the four locations on the U.S.-Canada border, investigators carried a duffel bag across the border to simulate the cross-border movement of radioactive materials and other contraband.

On the northern border, the GAO found state roads close to the border that did not appear to be manned or monitored. And they were able to cross unchallenged, successfully simulating the movement of radioactive materials into the U.S. from Canada.

Also, on the northern border, the GAO located several ports of entry that had posted daytime hours and were unmanned overnight. They found barriers across the road that they could just drive around. On the southern border, the GAO found large law enforcement and Army National Guard presence on a state road, including unmanned aerial vehicles. But GAO also found federally managed lands adjacent to the U.S.-Mexican border that were unmanned and unguarded.

As of as of May, 2007, there were 972 Border Patrol agents on the northern border, and 11,986 agents on the southern border.

Please stop before you embarrass yourself further ...

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Socio

Does your twisted logic come naturally, or do you have to work at it?

Maybe it would help if you showed your work. Please I think there is a premise missing.

Twisted logic?

How many illegal aliens come into the US from the northern boarder versus the southern?

I know which border problem I think is the greater risk.

People that don't have a problem with the current southern boarder problem quite obviously do not have America's best interests at heart. It is a religion for them, like it is for most lefties.

I am so mad at Obama for this. I should have voted for that McCain guy-oh, wait, he was for AMNESTY for the illegals. Those damm left-wingers.

 

[moparacer]

"If this were to happen, our worst nightmare scenario would become a reality."

Funny how it didn't that last 8 years......

Oooooops sorry to bring up that point. Touchy subject around here.........

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Guantanamo Bay closing.....

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Socio
Not so much as one word about the Southern border like it does not even exist!

Thus it seems pretty evident the Obama Administration intends to ease up on the Mexican border and are going to use the Canadian border as a red herring to divert attention from the fact.

This also begs the question; What in the hell does Mexico have on the US Government that makes them want to do as little as possible on the Southern border?

It must be huge what ever it is.

So when DHS Secretary Janet Napolitano issues her action directives on the southern border strategy, can we all come back and laugh at you?

:laugh:

(Not that we aren't already...)

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Socio
You mean tghat is full of crap; from what I understand all major border crossings are now fitted with radioactive detection equipment so they could not just drive through a check point with radioactive material.

Plus If Mexico can ship 1000's of tons of drugs a year in to the US via the Southern border with ease I would think it would be much easier for terrorists to smuggle stuff from there than Canada, thus a far more dangerous and far more likely scenario.

Which of course would make pointing north really just a diversionary tactic to keep the Southern border open and I believe that is all it is.

Drug Gangs Have Mexico on the Ropes

Mexico produces an estimated eight metric tons of heroin a year and 10,000 metric tons of marijuana. He also points out that "90% of all U.S. cocaine transits Mexico" and Mexico is "the dominant source of methamphetamine production for the U.S."

How the hell do you figure that? They smuggle it through the southern border because it makes a hell of a lot more sense than growing it in Mexico, sailing it 1-2 thousand miles up to the Canadian coast, and then driving it back down from the north. Every border crossing in the north sure as HELL doesn't have radiation detecting equipment. Have you ever crossed the US/Canadian border? A lot of the time it's a guy or two in a guard shack.

Getting a large, heavy, radioactive item like a nuclear weapon would be way way easier through the northern border than the southern one due to the fact that enforcement in the north is a tiny fraction of that in the south. I have a friend who works at the Otay Mesa border crossing (not far away from the San Ysidro/Tijuana crossing, the busiest in the world) and she sees drugs smuggled in every imaginable place in a car or on a person. You simply can't smuggle nuclear weapons like you smuggle drugs, it's not even in the same ballpark.

So no, any smart terrorist would not smuggle nuclear weapons in from the south.

If you were a terrorist bent on screwing the US over, would it be easier to get that "large, heavy, radioactive item" into Mexico or Canada?

Canada by far, why?

There are thousands of miles of unguarded, unpatrolled coastline.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: heyheybooboo
Since 2007 there has been a substantial 'self-deportation' - some estimates greater than 10%. Some organizations have noted the 'unskilled' or low-skilled labor market as 'at-risk'. I'm sure those Wall Street bankers (and others) who lose their jobs will go work in a factory 'chicken line'.

And, yes. The northern border would be considered a significant risk - as are our ports.

AMERICA'S NORTHERN BORDER
from Sept, 2007

~~~~~ I hope my colleagues are as attentive as the media is on this issue. Let me take a moment to read some of the Government Accountability Office's report.

It said:

Our visits [referring to the GAO's investigations of the Northern border] show that Customs and Border Protection faces significant challenges in effectively monitoring the border and preventing undetected entry into the United States. Our work shows that a determined cross-border violator would likely be able to bring radioactive materials or other contraband undetected into the United States by crossing the United States-Canadian border at any of the locations we investigated.

Think about that for a moment. The Government Accountability Office is saying that terrorists are currently able to smuggle radiological, biological, or chemical weapons into our country without much difficulty. If this were to happen, our worst nightmare scenario would become a reality.

Finally. An administration that pays attention.

You mean that is full of crap; from what I understand all major border crossings are now fitted with radioactive detection equipment so they could not just drive through a check point with radioactive material.

Plus If Mexico can ship 1000's of tons of drugs a year in to the US via the Southern border with ease I would think it would be much easier for terrorists to smuggle stuff from there than Canada, thus a far more dangerous and far more likely scenario.

Which of course would make pointing north really just a diversionary tactic to keep the Southern border open and I believe that is all it is.

Drug Gangs Have Mexico on the Ropes

Mexico produces an estimated eight metric tons of heroin a year and 10,000 metric tons of marijuana. He also points out that "90% of all U.S. cocaine transits Mexico" and Mexico is "the dominant source of methamphetamine production for the U.S."

Before running off on any more of your bizarro non sequitur tangents check out this GAO Report ""DHS?s Report Could Better Inform Congress by Identifying Actions, Resources, and Time Frames Needed to Address Vulnerabilities "" from November, 2008, on the DHS failing to complete northern border security recommendations. From a Congressional press release in September, 2007:

The GAO investigators assessed seven border areas that were unmanned, unmonitored or both. Four were on the U.S.-Canada border. And three were on the U.S.-Mexico border. In three of the four locations on the U.S.-Canada border, investigators carried a duffel bag across the border to simulate the cross-border movement of radioactive materials and other contraband.

On the northern border, the GAO found state roads close to the border that did not appear to be manned or monitored. And they were able to cross unchallenged, successfully simulating the movement of radioactive materials into the U.S. from Canada.

Also, on the northern border, the GAO located several ports of entry that had posted daytime hours and were unmanned overnight. They found barriers across the road that they could just drive around. On the southern border, the GAO found large law enforcement and Army National Guard presence on a state road, including unmanned aerial vehicles. But GAO also found federally managed lands adjacent to the U.S.-Mexican border that were unmanned and unguarded.

As of as of May, 2007, there were 972 Border Patrol agents on the northern border, and 11,986 agents on the southern border.

Please stop before you embarrass yourself further ...

And still 1000's of tons of illegal drugs managed to get imported and as many as 1,500,000 immigrants crossing illegally per year.

So which direction would any competent head of our nation?s security that actually gave a damn about our security directives be pointed to from the get go?

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Socio

And still 1000's of tons of illegal drugs managed to get imported and as many as 1,500,000 immigrants crossing illegally per year.

So which direction would any competent head of our nation?s security that actually gave a damn about our security directives be pointed to from the get go?

So now your complaint is that she should have released her southern directives first even though the order she releases them will probably have absolutely no effect on the timetables for implementation? Keep grasping for those straws!

Don't worry, our government will nearly certainly enact stricter enforcement standards and spend more money to keep the scary scary brown people away from you.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
Socio

Does your twisted logic come naturally, or do you have to work at it?

Maybe it would help if you showed your work. Please I think there is a premise missing.

Twisted logic?

How many illegal aliens come into the US from the northern boarder versus the southern?

I know which border problem I think is the greater risk.

People that don't have a problem with the current southern boarder problem quite obviously do not have America's best interests at heart. It is a religion for them, like it is for most lefties.

I am so mad at Obama for this. I should have voted for that McCain guy-oh, wait, he was for AMNESTY for the illegals. Those damm left-wingers.

You sound just like a die hard Bush supporter, just substitute the Obama for Bush.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Socio
You mean tghat is full of crap; from what I understand all major border crossings are now fitted with radioactive detection equipment so they could not just drive through a check point with radioactive material.

Plus If Mexico can ship 1000's of tons of drugs a year in to the US via the Southern border with ease I would think it would be much easier for terrorists to smuggle stuff from there than Canada, thus a far more dangerous and far more likely scenario.

Which of course would make pointing north really just a diversionary tactic to keep the Southern border open and I believe that is all it is.

Drug Gangs Have Mexico on the Ropes

Mexico produces an estimated eight metric tons of heroin a year and 10,000 metric tons of marijuana. He also points out that "90% of all U.S. cocaine transits Mexico" and Mexico is "the dominant source of methamphetamine production for the U.S."

How the hell do you figure that? They smuggle it through the southern border because it makes a hell of a lot more sense than growing it in Mexico, sailing it 1-2 thousand miles up to the Canadian coast, and then driving it back down from the north. Every border crossing in the north sure as HELL doesn't have radiation detecting equipment. Have you ever crossed the US/Canadian border? A lot of the time it's a guy or two in a guard shack.

Getting a large, heavy, radioactive item like a nuclear weapon would be way way easier through the northern border than the southern one due to the fact that enforcement in the north is a tiny fraction of that in the south. I have a friend who works at the Otay Mesa border crossing (not far away from the San Ysidro/Tijuana crossing, the busiest in the world) and she sees drugs smuggled in every imaginable place in a car or on a person. You simply can't smuggle nuclear weapons like you smuggle drugs, it's not even in the same ballpark.

So no, any smart terrorist would not smuggle nuclear weapons in from the south.

If you were a terrorist bent on screwing the US over, would it be easier to get that "large, heavy, radioactive item" into Mexico or Canada?

Canada by far, why?

There are thousands of miles of unguarded, unpatrolled coastline.

I think the biggest threat to us and what will most likely be the nature of our next terrorist attack will be a dirty bomb, not a large nuclear device and radioactive material could easily be smuggled in one small package at a time.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: nobodyknows

Canada by far, why?

There are thousands of miles of unguarded, unpatrolled coastline.

I think the biggest threat to us and what will most likely be the nature of our next terrorist attack will be a dirty bomb, not a large nuclear device and radioactive material could easily be smuggled in one small package at a time.
[/quote]

Who is doing this smuggling? They aren't going through the major border crossings as those have radiation detectors. If they are choosing to go through the desert as many illegals do, they run a significant risk of being caught. (yeah tons of illegals get in each year, but we also catch a lot) To split your plan up into a ton of small loads would vastly increase the odds of failure, because as soon as one guy was caught there's a great chance the whole plan would be exposed. bad idea.

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: eskimospy


Canada by far, why?

There are thousands of miles of unguarded, unpatrolled coastline.

I think the biggest threat to us and what will most likely be the nature of our next terrorist attack will be a dirty bomb, not a large nuclear device and radioactive material could easily be smuggled in one small package at a time.
[/quote]

Who is doing this smuggling? They aren't going through the major border crossings as those have radiation detectors. If they are choosing to go through the desert as many illegals do, they run a significant risk of being caught. (yeah tons of illegals get in each year, but we also catch a lot) To split your plan up into a ton of small loads would vastly increase the odds of failure, because as soon as one guy was caught there's a great chance the whole plan would be exposed. bad idea.[/quote][/quote]
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You think sending 100 people each carrying a a pound or two of radioactive material will fail because one of them get's caught? In order for your scenario to even have a chance of happening is if the person caught knew the whole plan.

Sorry, next rationalization please.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Socio
Secretary Napolitano Issues Additional Action Directives on "Northern" Border Strategy

U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano today issued a second round of action directives on cyber security and the northern border strategy.

These action directives instruct specific offices to gather information, review existing strategies and programs, and to provide oral and written reports back to her by mid February.

Northern Border Strategy. The northern border of the United States has become, since 9/11, important to our national security. As we have designed programs to afford greater protection against unlawful entry, members of Congress and homeland security experts have called for increased attention to the Canadian border. What are the current vulnerabilities, the overall strategy for reducing those vulnerabilities, the requirements, the programs, the budget, and the timeframe for improving security along this border and what level of risk will remain once the programs are completed? An oral report is due by Feb. 10, with a final report due Feb. 17

Not so much as one word about the Southern border like it does not even exist!

Thus it seems pretty evident the Obama Administration intends to ease up on the Mexican border and are going to use the Canadian border as a red herring to divert attention from the fact.

This also begs the question; What in the hell does Mexico have on the US Government that makes them want to do as little as possible on the Southern border?

It must be huge what ever it is.

???

I live in Az, and Napolitano has wanted much tighter security. That wont change. This is not the entire border strategy you are listening too, its just the one portion... but nice try... anything to criticize the Obama admin, is fair game, isnt it.

Mr. Napolitano is an open borders supporter and always has been.

She's a woman.

She is not an open borders supporter (She sent the AZ National Guard to the border, for heaven's sake) and you are talking out of your ass. :disgust:

 

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Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Socio
Secretary Napolitano Issues Additional Action Directives on "Northern" Border Strategy

U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano today issued a second round of action directives on cyber security and the northern border strategy.

These action directives instruct specific offices to gather information, review existing strategies and programs, and to provide oral and written reports back to her by mid February.

Northern Border Strategy. The northern border of the United States has become, since 9/11, important to our national security. As we have designed programs to afford greater protection against unlawful entry, members of Congress and homeland security experts have called for increased attention to the Canadian border. What are the current vulnerabilities, the overall strategy for reducing those vulnerabilities, the requirements, the programs, the budget, and the timeframe for improving security along this border and what level of risk will remain once the programs are completed? An oral report is due by Feb. 10, with a final report due Feb. 17

Not so much as one word about the Southern border like it does not even exist!

Thus it seems pretty evident the Obama Administration intends to ease up on the Mexican border and are going to use the Canadian border as a red herring to divert attention from the fact.

This also begs the question; What in the hell does Mexico have on the US Government that makes them want to do as little as possible on the Southern border?

It must be huge what ever it is.

When discussing the Northern Border, Mexico usually doesn't come into the conversation. Wait for them to discuss the Southern Border, I suspect it will be soon.

Yeah really. wtf socio. Get some medication or something. If I go to my kid's parent/teacher meeting does it mean I don't give a damn about the other one?[]Who is doing this smuggling? They aren't going through the major border crossings as those have radiation detectors. If they are choosing to go through the desert as many illegals do, they run a significant risk of being caught. (yeah tons of illegals get in each year, but we also catch a lot) To split your plan up into a ton of small loads would vastly increase the odds of failure, because as soon as one guy was caught there's a great chance the whole plan would be exposed. bad idea. [/quote]I've never thought about it in great depth but I imagine that smuggling via one of the great lakes would be braindead easy. Not Lake Ontario, but some other ones, or God knows how many hundreds of miles of forest in the central and western border.

 

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Originally posted by: Socio
Secretary Napolitano Issues Additional Action Directives on "Northern" Border Strategy

U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Secretary Janet Napolitano today issued a second round of action directives on cyber security and the northern border strategy.

These action directives instruct specific offices to gather information, review existing strategies and programs, and to provide oral and written reports back to her by mid February.

Northern Border Strategy. The northern border of the United States has become, since 9/11, important to our national security. As we have designed programs to afford greater protection against unlawful entry, members of Congress and homeland security experts have called for increased attention to the Canadian border. What are the current vulnerabilities, the overall strategy for reducing those vulnerabilities, the requirements, the programs, the budget, and the timeframe for improving security along this border and what level of risk will remain once the programs are completed? An oral report is due by Feb. 10, with a final report due Feb. 17

Not so much as one word about the Southern border like it does not even exist!

Thus it seems pretty evident the Obama Administration intends to ease up on the Mexican border and are going to use the Canadian border as a red herring to divert attention from the fact.

This also begs the question; What in the hell does Mexico have on the US Government that makes them want to do as little as possible on the Southern border?

It must be huge what ever it is.

Your problem is you are so keep on finding anything wrong with Obama that you throw any shred of common sense you might have out the window and you digress in to insignificant idiotic foder or babble......

You need to be able to seperate the Northern Border from the Southern Border.
The Southern border issue has so many political landmines that a solution will not present itself immediately!

You should be ashamed of yourself for your constant ineptness!!

I personally would expect that of a 13 yr old!!