I guess this old war game means Iran will be a nuclear power soon?

[SamurAchzar]

It will take only one bomb and it doesn't have to land from some known source. It also doesn't have to be made by anybody in particular. If you act in such a way aw to cause a billion people to want your death, somebody in that billion will find a way. Had Israel focused on desalinization and sharing, for instance, I don't see why folk would want them dead.

This is my opinion. I am a nobody and I don't matter at all, but I think the path Israel chose leads to death. It makes me sad. There isn't really any assurance you can give me that will change that. I see it all as your own need not to see what is inevitably obvious to me. I don't wish you ill. I am sad because I see so much that is potential and will turn to dust.

The main difference between us is that I think these billion people would be hostile for the mere existence of Israel, while you think Israel provides them the reason.

Nuclear weapons can always be tracked back to the source. There's no such a thing as an "anonymous" bomb, there are simply not enough sources for these weapons for them to be difficult to identify. And don't underestimate the Israeli intelligence.

If a nuclear bomb somehow found its way to AQ and the likes, I'd bet 1:10 that it'll be used against weak, defenseless and easy to hit Europe before it gets to Israel. Just look at the past AQ activity.

Israel is just too hard of a target to hit. That's why no one messes with El Al, or its embassies around the world, or AQ going after other countries.

 

[SamurAchzar]

I'm surprise nobody wants to talk about the wargame and how it was a miserable failure yet you guys want to fantasize about Israel doing the impossible of de-nuclearizing Iran by air. I think the 2006 Lebanon War showed that Israel is not the invincable Army it once was. Stop the fantisies and start talking to Iran.

Talking should not even be an option. They are not a country to reason with, especially not when it seems like they lost the majority of public support. They want their influence and power, and rightly so, in their eye.

You are right though, without resorting to extreme measures, Israel can't do much about the Iranian nuclear program. Only US can.

I don't know what scenario these wargames emulated, certainly for bombing the Iranian nuclear sites you don't need the navy. You can run B2 from their home bases in US, just like in Iraq, and grind them to dust.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Don't be too sure of that. This issue has been analyzed and Israel has the capability of massively damaging Iran's nuclear program:

http://web.mit.edu/ssp/Publications/working_papers/wp_06-1.pdf

- wolf

After some in-depth reading, I realized this document held true for 2006. Today Iranians already progressed beyond the stage of enrichment, the 50,000 centrifuges that article talked about were already operating for a good deal of time today. Estimates talked about enough material to build a bomb or two in 2009. From what I've read, they are currently experimenting with the warheads themselves.

 

[Noobtastic]

It will take only one bomb and it doesn't have to land from some known source. It also doesn't have to be made by anybody in particular. If you act in such a way aw to cause a billion people to want your death, somebody in that billion will find a way. Had Israel focused on desalinization and sharing, for instance, I don't see why folk would want them dead.

Are you seriously rationalizing the Arab world's vicious hatred of Israel as some how dependent on its own actions?

The Arab states hate Israel because its loaded with Jews.

Period.

They could be the nicest, most generous state on Earth. They could protect the Arab states from enemies of America. They could secretly support Western oil regimes from Soviet aggressors. They could train America's allies and transport 80 billion in captured soviet technology. They could share military intelligence and collaborate with allies.

But it doesn't matter because in the end Israel is Jewishness and that simply isn't good.

This is my opinion. I am a nobody and I don't matter at all, but I think the path Israel chose leads to death. It makes me sad.

This is silly.

Israel could have demolished the Arab tribes many decades ago and rejected USA aid. Perhaps they should have done that. Leftist respect dictatorships and genocidal maniacs, and curse progressive nations that defy the status quot.

Israel will not chance a nuclear Iran and the USA knows it.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I'm surprise nobody wants to talk about the wargame and how it was a miserable failure yet you guys want to fantasize about Israel doing the impossible of de-nuclearizing Iran by air. I think the 2006 Lebanon War showed that Israel is not the invincable Army it once was. Stop the fantisies and start talking to Iran.

A problem with such war games is that the opponent (unless steeped in opponent's tactics) will make adjustments for how the US would operate.

A do-over though does not accomplish anything except generate a warm fuzzy.

Iran has recently demonstrated that they do not want to talk in earnest. They (leadership) back pedaled on their agreement for nuclear material enrichment.

They (leadership) continue to demonize Israel and support the terror groups that are aligned against Israel. Yet Israel has not had any military conflict with Iran.

A land conflict is not desired by the US or Isreal. Yet Israel has the ability to launch airstrikes against Iran facilities when they feel that Iran has gotten to the point of being a nuclear threat to them.

They did this in 81 against Iraq and recently against Syria.
Each time, they made minor mistakes and have adjusted to them.
Iran has a few missles that they claim are medium range and can hit Israel.
With the exception of those, Iran can not touch Israel except via proxie. No airforce, naval capacity and their army is to far away to be a threat.

All three of their proxies have shown that while they can enrange Israel - in the end, they run to the UN and cry for protection against their own mistakes.

Israel will not be in the mood to pull punches if another attack against her people is started.

 

[Dari]

A problem with such war games is that the opponent (unless steeped in opponent's tactics) will make adjustments for how the US would operate.

A do-over though does not accomplish anything except generate a warm fuzzy.

Iran has recently demonstrated that they do not want to talk in earnest. They (leadership) back pedaled on their agreement for nuclear material enrichment.

They (leadership) continue to demonize Israel and support the terror groups that are aligned against Israel. Yet Israel has not had any military conflict with Iran.

A land conflict is not desired by the US or Isreal. Yet Israel has the ability to launch airstrikes against Iran facilities when they feel that Iran has gotten to the point of being a nuclear threat to them.

They did this in 81 against Iraq and recently against Syria.
Each time, they made minor mistakes and have adjusted to them.
Iran has a few missles that they claim are medium range and can hit Israel.
With the exception of those, Iran can not touch Israel except via proxie. No airforce, naval capacity and their army is to far away to be a threat.

All three of their proxies have shown that while they can enrange Israel - in the end, they run to the UN and cry for protection against their own mistakes.

Israel will not be in the mood to pull punches if another attack against her people is started.

We'll see.

 

[juiio]

Ahmadinejad makes a vague threat with a specific date

'Iran will deliver telling blow to global powers on Feb. 11'

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says the nation will deliver a harsh blow to the "global arrogance" on this year's anniversary of the Islamic Revolution.

"The Islamic Revolution opened a window to liberty for the human race, which was trapped in the dead ends of materialism," Ahmadinejad said during a cabinet meeting on Sunday.

"If the Islamic Revolution had not occurred, liberalism and Marxism would have crushed all human dignity in their power-seeking and money-grubbing claws. Nothing would have remained of human and spiritual principles," he added.

Ahmadinejad said that in the three decades of its history, the Islamic Revolution had inspired some great developments in the world.

The Iranian president made the remarks as the 31st anniversary of the Islamic Revolution approaches.

Iranians are expected to pour into the streets on February 11 to celebrate the occasion in public rallies across the country, as they have done annually over the past three decades.