I guess that this is really a question about Anandtech

gbrantner

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I mean no offense to anyone, though I know that someone will go off about this, and that's fine. There are children everywhere. To Anandtech, for a very long time I along with many other have come here for info due to the lack of bias or obvious 'bought'n'paid for' reviews. Then there is eVGA.

Anandtech, just like most any other site that has received one of their test cards to test has raved over the performance of their cards, which is undeniable. I have purchased 6 of them since last December, and still have 3 of them in the two PC's in my home. It would be 4, except for the one that failed after 3 days. That's the third bad one out of 6. It was originally 2 out of 3 that were bad, so their failure rate has now risen to 50% in my experience.

Now, it is not Anandtech's job to research things such as failure rates. In fact, that is something that we as PC performance part buyers simply do not get. In reviews of cars, you get the good and the bad as a norm. In PC parts, we just hear how the perform. Things such as reliability...well, we can only guestimate by reading user reviews.

However, Anandtech did specifically rave about eVGA's wonderful "lifetime warranty". Did anyone read anything beyond those two words? Did anyone notice that the warranty is only good for the original purchaser that registers the card with eVGA? That once registered, you'll never sell that card for anything because any potential buyer is put off a bit by the fact that they will instantly have absolutely no warranty at all if they purchase it? Did anyone find out that to even begin an RMA, you have to provide eVGA with your credit card info? Before you even know if they're going to honor their lifetime warranty, they want your money?

This is the only industry that I know of where this kind of thing is tolerated. Back about 5 years ago, virtually everyone that I know stopped using Abit boards due to the old P-4 Max series debacle, and the generally horrific service that we were getting. Yet all of the websites continued to just talk about their how great their motherboards were.

So, here we are continuing the status quo. Folks, it does not have to be. Someone with a bit more clout that I needs to just freaking say it. Someone like Anandtech should say it. In this case, eVGA has extremely high performance video cards at great prices, with what appears to be a wonderful warranty. But they also have a horrible failure rate, a really arrogant position in the industry, and its a damned good thing that they offer a lifetime warranty since so many of us are repeatedly using it. They also have a forum with lots of angry customers in it, and a great number of them in the same boat as myself. Don't take my word for it, see for yourself. http://www.evga.com/community/messageboard/defaultmb.asp

Oh, and if by some twist of fate, this is the same thing found with any other video card manufacturer, or any other hardware manufacturer, then there is a much larger problem. Just like everyone else, I lay my money down, lots of it, on parts to keep my PC more or less current. I just want it to freaking work. I want the parts that I purchase to work; I just don't see why that is so much to ask

Thank you for your time.




Against my better judgement, I'll let this go a while. It's not really a forum issue and as far as rants go, it's a weak one.
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doze

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Pretty much impossible to determine failure rates and reliability in an industry where new products are out daily and the life cycle for an enthuiast is measured in months. You also have to consider the differences between a testing environment and your average PC with varying voltage on the motherboard, a crappy underpowered PSU, poor case ventilation/cooling, installation by a novice in a poor work environment etc...

NEWS FLASH ...EVGA isn't the only company with a crappy warranty policy, many hardware manufacturers and resellers warranties are garbage and you have to fight to get anything. I dealt with a bad PNY card with a "warranty" several years ago that they would not RMA b/c I didn't have the original receipt. The problem was bad caps, but who keeps receipts after 9 months.
 

mchammer

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Has anyone had luck with using the warranty services that some credit cards offer?
 

jagec

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Do people buying used computer hardware really expect a warranty? That would come as a shock to me.
 
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Anyone who believes in a "lifetime warranty" on any product is a sucker. Your rant might go over a bit better if you didn't make so many typos.
 
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Originally posted by: mchammer
Has anyone had luck with using the warranty services that some credit cards offer?

They mirror the manufactures warranty for up to 1 year. So if the manufacture requires the receipt, so does VISA, etc.
 

wazzledoozle

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My first 6800 died after a week, replacement has been running fine for about a year now. Thats 50% failure rate for me :p

My friend had quite a bad experience with eVGA, he had ordered a 6800GS from newegg, and when he got it it was DOA. Got a replacement, that card died 2 weeks later. He got it returned it to newegg and used the money to go towards an eVGA 7800GT, which he stepped up to 7900GT later. He got 2 dead 7900GT's in a row, 3rd one seems to be working fine.
 
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Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
My first 6800 died after a week, replacement has been running fine for about a year now. Thats 50% failure rate for me :p

My friend had quite a bad experience with eVGA, he had ordered a 6800GS from newegg, and when he got it it was DOA. Got a replacement, that card died 2 weeks later. He got it returned it to newegg and used the money to go towards an eVGA 7800GT, which he stepped up to 7900GT later. He got 2 dead 7900GT's in a row, 3rd one seems to be working fine.

You'd think your friend would switch manufactures at that point, or at least not buy them from newegg.
 

fbrdphreak

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I had a good experience with BFG's warranty. I had a 6800GT AGP for a while and one day it just stopped working; called them, setup RMA (no CC or anything), mailed it in, and I got it back in a reasonable amount of time.

I've heard stories of people who had like a BFG GeForce 2 card and when it died they got a much newer card as replacement.

Seems pretty solid to me.

BTW, this would be more pertinent and valuable in Video.
 

TallBill

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Originally posted by: Mike
Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
My first 6800 died after a week, replacement has been running fine for about a year now. Thats 50% failure rate for me :p

My friend had quite a bad experience with eVGA, he had ordered a 6800GS from newegg, and when he got it it was DOA. Got a replacement, that card died 2 weeks later. He got it returned it to newegg and used the money to go towards an eVGA 7800GT, which he stepped up to 7900GT later. He got 2 dead 7900GT's in a row, 3rd one seems to be working fine.

You'd think your friend would switch manufactures at that point, or at least not buy them from newegg.

Lol, i was thinking the same thing.
 

JEDI

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my gf4 4200 died. the "lifetime" warrenty was switched to lifetime of the card is manufactured :(

I wonder if there's a lawsuit against PNY for this?

btw:
gbrantner
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Holy wait for 2 years for a 1st post?!

Lurker to the extreme
 

MrPickins

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If eVGA is having so many problems, why isn't it all over the forums?

So the warranty isn't transferrable. As Jagec asked: "
Do people buying used computer hardware really expect a warranty?"

From another thread:
Originally posted by: AlgaeEater
Originally posted by: GrammatonJP
Also is lifetime also define as life of card.. ie if the card is not in production, you're sol ? certain company define life time as that.. others give you a real life time.

Usually if i buy off ebay i would ask for original invoice.. this way i can say I moved to this address and used that other guys name on the invoice.. they'll never know..


EVGA's policy is that they will give you the value of the card during the time of purchase when you registered it. So if you bought it for $300 bucks when it was just released and registered it, you're covered for an equivalent of $300. If you registered the card when it was worth $80 bucks, then you're covered for $80 bucks.

EVGA is very generous with their warranty. A lot of people who have owned one will testify to that. They also offer free cross shipping, which means you don't have to pay for shipping either way for your RMA card. They send you the replacement, and in the box is a free UPS shipping label to send back your broken card.

Sounds like a good warranty to me.
 
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I think you just punched Anand in one of his money bags (albeit a weak b1tch slap). I'm REALLY surprised this wasn't locked.

BTW, this statement:

That once registered, you'll never sell that card for anything because any potential buyer is put off a bit by the fact that they will instantly have absolutely no warranty at all if they purchase it?

Show me a buyer who EXPECTS a warranty on a used item.......WTF dude? I mean, as a buyer of used goods you don't EXPECT a warranty usually.

If I'm wrong on this I'll eat crow, but that just sounds like your @ss talking.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: MisterJackson
I think you just punched Anand in one of his money bags (albeit a weak b1tch slap). I'm REALLY surprised this wasn't locked.

BTW, this statement:

That once registered, you'll never sell that card for anything because any potential buyer is put off a bit by the fact that they will instantly have absolutely no warranty at all if they purchase it?

Show me a buyer who EXPECTS a warranty on a used item.......WTF dude? I mean, as a buyer of used goods you don't EXPECT a warranty usually.

If I'm wrong on this I'll eat crow, but that just sounds like your @ss talking.

Go through FS/FT many many items are adervtised like "XX$ Warranty good till Set 2007"

 
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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: MisterJackson
I think you just punched Anand in one of his money bags (albeit a weak b1tch slap). I'm REALLY surprised this wasn't locked.

BTW, this statement:

That once registered, you'll never sell that card for anything because any potential buyer is put off a bit by the fact that they will instantly have absolutely no warranty at all if they purchase it?

Show me a buyer who EXPECTS a warranty on a used item.......WTF dude? I mean, as a buyer of used goods you don't EXPECT a warranty usually.

If I'm wrong on this I'll eat crow, but that just sounds like your @ss talking.

Go through FS/FT many many items are adervtised like "XX$ Warranty good till Set 2007"

I'll take my crow grilled please.

 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: MisterJackson
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: MisterJackson
I think you just punched Anand in one of his money bags (albeit a weak b1tch slap). I'm REALLY surprised this wasn't locked.

BTW, this statement:

That once registered, you'll never sell that card for anything because any potential buyer is put off a bit by the fact that they will instantly have absolutely no warranty at all if they purchase it?

Show me a buyer who EXPECTS a warranty on a used item.......WTF dude? I mean, as a buyer of used goods you don't EXPECT a warranty usually.

If I'm wrong on this I'll eat crow, but that just sounds like your @ss talking.

Go through FS/FT many many items are adervtised like "XX$ Warranty good till Set 2007"

I'll take my crow grilled please.

:D :laugh:
 

gbrantner

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Thank you all for your thoughts. Sorry for my typos; there is always someone that feels it is necessary to point out every shortcoming in others posts.

I know that I am certainly not alone in my experience, and that eVGA is not alone in their side of the issues. I just find it amusing that it is absolutely tolerated. Here in this forum, and in hundreds of others like it, so many end-users recount their nightmarish experiences in dealing with PC parts and their manufacturers. However, you'll never find that mentioned or even acknowledged by any entity of mass, say a testing website? I guess when you make a living telling people how wonderful, or not so wonderful the performance of products are, you need to draw a line as to how much you'll tell Joe and Jane Public. So, the condition persists.

I don't want or need sympathy. I would really like an explanation of why this is allowed to continue. *I mean beyond the fact that we as a society have been carefully raised as consumers over the last 25 years or so, to believe that somehow, we the buyers NEED the sellers, and not the other way around.

The only other place where you see this is in the software industry...again, a PC-related industry. We spend millions of dollars each year on software that is poorly written, and is filled with issues. Why? Read *above. Remember the web-hype over Quake 4's release? I would have thought that it was going to change the world. Then it was released and we all bought it (figuratively speaking). What was the number one topic in the gaming forums for the next couple of months? "OMG, does Quake 4 multiplayer suck!" Too slow, too laggy, buggy, crashes...it was everywhere. It?s been fixed now so far as I know, but we go through this with most every game. Anyone remember ?PainKiller? and it?s almost 600MB of patches? I love that game, but damn!

The argument that this is an unavoidable facet of the software industry is just another excuse. Go buy an automobile, pay for it, and have them give you the keys and the list of the things wrong with it. When a particular model car has serious issues, and some unfortunate dies because of it, there are lawsuits. They don't bring anyone back, but they are at least some form of recourse. Here, there is none. Either your hardware or software works, or it does not, and we, the consumers are really getting the short end of the stick, especially because we have to pay for everything!

I work in the financial software industry, and if we operated like this, we?d lose an 11-million dollar a year customer, or a 1.1 million dollar a year customer. We also have accountability, and advanced QA and QC programs in place to help keep issues to a minimum. I just feel that you and I, Joe and Jane Consumer, deserve the same level of quality and service that our 11-million a year customer does. I guess that makes me just crazy!

Thanks again for your time, and good luck to one and all.
 

GuitarDaddy

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Wow, what a first post! Lurk much?:)

First off

Ever heard the term "Buyer Beware"? It means that there is a level of risk in every transaction and it's the buyers responsibility to determine and accept the level of risk associated with each transaction.

Points to evaluate
1. Functionality of the product
2. Reliability of the product
3. Reputatation of the manufacturer
4. Reputation and ratings of the seller
5. Avenues of recourse against the mfg and or seller

Secondly

Review sites like Anandtech are very helpful in evaluation #1 by providing functional information about a wide variety of products and there capabilities. But the desicion to purchase and the associated responsibilities 2,3,4&5 lies soley with the buyer.

Review sites receive product from manufacturers that have most likely been thouroughly tested as to present the manufacturer in the best light possible. So to expect them to be able to make comment or judgement on the reliability or warranty service of one manufacterer vs another is just unrealistic.

In other words don't be lazy, evaluating products on review websites is just the first step in making a solid purchasing transaction



 

gbrantner

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Sorry, Mr or Ms Anandtech moderator, if this is "not a forum issue" and is in the wrong place, please let me now what forum it belongs in. That will help guide me in the future. And I'd appreciate an explanation as to why it is a 'weak' rant. It is not lacking in information, or verifiable basis of fact. I'm also not giving you attitude either. I am really interested in knowing what is wrong with the basis for this thread.

Thank you for your time.
 

gbrantner

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Another correction. On their website, it currently states that the offer 'No form of cross-shipment". Is that a new policy?
 

simms

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Actually the exact opposite of this would be IBM Thinkpad warranties, especially NBD service. They are fully transferable with no documentation and are valid in any country that IBM serves (almost every single major one).

I know this because I've bought two IBMs under warranty (one here) and one elsewhere that I transferred to another country, and have used their warranty on several ocassions. The techs come to my office, replace my parts, and are gone within an hour.
 

CycloWizard

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If you want them to do something about it, one approach might be to suggest a method to test reliability. The problem is that, since failure is likely a random occurrence with a probability distribution within a given manufacturer and within a specific card, AT would have to buy thousands of video cards alone every year to do any type of statistical failure analysis (I say 'buy' because I doubt any manufacturer is going to give them so many cards, and even if they did, they would probably be very thorough in testing them before giving them away).

Software glitches are part and parcel of every serious program I've ever used (except maybe one). They will persist until humans stop doing the programming.