I got flamed :-O

[EmperorIQ]

i would always say the pledge but i wouldn't repeat the part "under god" since i didnt' believe in god (this was during HS)

 

[Description]

Dude how can you not respect our country?

Like this.

I can understand not respecting the Dub and our government but our country is all about your fellow citizens!

I don't like them.

am such a fvcking moron! I realize now in hindsight that I'm wrong to believe that you teach children how to be respectful. I forgot - it's a hereditary trait. (Or is it an instinct? Yeah, that's it... we don't have the instinct to build nests in trees, but we have the instinct to be respectful to others around us.) I'm glad I'm not a kindergarten teacher, I'd have been actually forcing the children to share the toys in the classroom (gasp!) Thanks for the great insight! I now realize that good character is a trait that someone must be born with. When all those parents force their kids to say "please" and "thank you", it's not good manners, because they're being FORCED to do so. Geez, if a student said "hey you, gimme a pencil, man." I should have been giving them a pencil, rather than forcing them to say "may I have a pencil please?" God forbid I attempt to teach manners or respect in school. That must be the parents job. But, then again, it's not respect, because it would just be the parents forcing them. So, respect is obviously a trait you're born with

Blah blah blah. All in all, it isn't your right to do so. It is your opinion, no more. Strong as it may be, it does not fabricate reality (Too bad for you, eh?)
I won't respect something I don't like. Nor shall I adopt the opinions of another, even in a dictatorship.

Respect is not merely what you say it is.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
You say you form an opinion, yet you do nothing with it? If so, what?

Suppose someone is generally personable and polite. Helpful to others, in general a good Josephine. BUT. That pledge thing. They don't do it. d

Now what do you do with it?


Let's try this hypothetical.

I am an academician teaching a course on political science. You say in my class you believe students should say the pledge. I think you are a mindless sheep (I don't, but this is a hypothetical). I therefore believe you lack character. If I have to make a recommendation according to your logic, I should take that into account?

Where you are over the line IMO is that you are not there to judge character based on the Pledge. You are there to evaluate the student's performance, and interaction with others, and the level of responsibility demonstrated IN FACT. You cannot objectively insert your political philosophy in any meaningful sense.

When you insert a bias unrelated to performance or interaction with faculty or students as it relates into a recommendation, you have gone too far.

To a degree, I agree with you. Good response, Winston. Nonetheless, I don't find it wrong to consider everything I know about a student. As I stated before, it would be far from a sole factor effecting my decision on their character. Thus, "Suppose someone is generally personable and polite. Helpful to others, in general a good Josephine. BUT. That pledge thing. They don't do it" would probably be judged favorably by me. Nonetheless, there is a strong correlation between the students who do not say the pledge (in my experience) and students who routinely get in trouble with other teachers... detentions, etc. Those teachers giving them detentions have no knowledge of their pledge habits. Yet, the students in my homeroom who respectfully stand and recite the pledge rarely (if ever) have been assigned detentions by other teachers.

Well, I am really of two minds about this. On one hand, I am old school enough not to have a problem with the pledge, God and all. I really don't see a conflict between public schools and the Pledge. My concern is that some (and I am not going to lump you in that group. I don't know you after all) may have a bias which does indeed color the perception of that student, perhaps unfairly. I would not argue that not following traditons makes one almost by definition an iconoclast, however some of the most annoying students I have come in contact with (and there have been more than a few) have also gotten stellar reviews as far as competence and reliability. They simply were pains in the ass. I also grant there is a difference between teaching high school and younger students and college juniors and seniors.

I am not about flaming you on this, but as someone who has seen some great and godawful students, suggest that care be taken when "character" is weighed. Frankly my wife sometimes wants to flame the bastages she comes across but has to let professionalism trump personal biases 😀

 

[Description]

Character education is now mandated in public schools in many states now (including mine). We're expected to teach a little more than just the coursework.

And you're "teaching" character by silently marking an X next to their name? This seems to be more of a personal agenda.

 

[Hector13]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Hector13

Originally posted by: Maverick
I think not saying the pledge is retarded. This country provides people with so many freedoms they take for granted. At least give them their two minutes.

If they have to take out the words "under God" thats fine...thats between them and Him...but at least say the rest of it out of respect for the nation.

do you realize that one of the freedoms that this country gives us is the right to NOT say the pledge? The point made about nazis above is right on.

A teachers job is not to grade someone on their respect for the US. Their job is to grade someone on their mastery of the coursework. Teachers personal beliefs nave no place in the process.

Fortunately, I'm a teacher and you're obviously not. Character education is now mandated in public schools in many states now (including mine). We're expected to teach a little more than just the coursework. Thus, your *opinion* is in contradiction to the requirements of my job. Actually, teaching the "coursework" is the easiest part of my life. That part takes virtually no effort, just a little thought in the planning process.

so if a muslim teacher felt that allah is the one true god and all non-believers are heretics, he/she should be free to use your religion as a judge of "character"?

I think you need to take some of you own advice and read up a bit on "character education". You should be teaching children to respect other peoples' views, NOT forcing your own upon them.

 

[jyates]

People want to be an ass without the consequences that being an ass brings.

Great theory world where you can behave any way you want and everyone HAS
to accept and agree and love you for it 🙂