I find this link to accurately summarize what went wrong in America:

[Moonbeam]

So where did all this right-wing religious nuttery come from? - Salon.com

Most Americans — and most Christians — don't want religious doctrine dominating our laws. So how did we get here?

www.salon.com

What do you think. Shouldn’t this be what Democrats should be talking about whenever speaking to the public?

 

[Captante]

I find this link to accurately sunrise what went wrong is America:

Isn't moonrise more your specialty?


As for the linked article unfortunately it sounds right on target.

 

[Moonbeam]

Isn't moonrise more your specialty?


As for the linked article unfortunately it sounds right on target.

Fixed thanks. The auto correction on iPad creates tissues at times. Lacrimae raerum!

 

[ch33zw1z]

So where did all this right-wing religious nuttery come from? - Salon.com

Most Americans — and most Christians — don't want religious doctrine dominating our laws. So how did we get here?

www.salon.com

What do you think. Shouldn’t this be what Democrats should be talking about whenever speaking to the public?

this is a good read and IMO goes hand in hand with Chompsky’s take on it.

ignoring the bigger picture for a sec, that asshole clerk can be easily replaced by a self checkout. CVS has them and working just fine most of the time.

 

[KMFJD]

• Convince Americans that taxes aren't "the cost of a civil society" but, instead, a "burden" that they were unfairly bearing. Once Republicans were elected on that tax-cut platform, they'd massively cut the taxes of the morbidly rich while throwing a small bone to the average person.
• Convince Americans that regulations that protect consumers and the environment are also "burdens" from an out-of-control "nanny state," even though such regulations save lives and benefit Americans far more than they cost.
• Convince Americans that unions aren't "democracy in the workplace" that protect workers' rights but, instead, an elaborate scam to raid workers' paychecks to the benefit of "corrupt union bosses."

very true, and it's been this way for a while

This was interesting that i was not aware of
- Over the 40 years of the Reagan revolution, we've gone from having about the same gun-ownership density as Canada (around 15 guns per 100 people) to the most in the world (over 120 guns per 100 people).

 

[dank69]

So where did all this right-wing religious nuttery come from? - Salon.com

Most Americans — and most Christians — don't want religious doctrine dominating our laws. So how did we get here?

www.salon.com

What do you think. Shouldn’t this be what Democrats should be talking about whenever speaking to the public?

No, Democrats should have one universal message at this time: "if you want change, you have to vote us enough power to overcome Republican obstructionism decisively." I'd personally add "until then eat your shit sandwich" but I don't think that would help anything other than my ego.

 

[Moonbeam]

• Convince Americans that taxes aren't "the cost of a civil society" but, instead, a "burden" that they were unfairly bearing. Once Republicans were elected on that tax-cut platform, they'd massively cut the taxes of the morbidly rich while throwing a small bone to the average person.
• Convince Americans that regulations that protect consumers and the environment are also "burdens" from an out-of-control "nanny state," even though such regulations save lives and benefit Americans far more than they cost.
• Convince Americans that unions aren't "democracy in the workplace" that protect workers' rights but, instead, an elaborate scam to raid workers' paychecks to the benefit of "corrupt union bosses."

very true, and it's been this way for a while

This was interesting that i was not aware of
- Over the 40 years of the Reagan revolution, we've gone from having about the same gun-ownership density as Canada (around 15 guns per 100 people) to the most in the world (over 120 guns per 100 people).

I think it supports my belief that gun violence is not the direct result of gun availability, but the compulsive fear introduced into our society by the fact that competition drives selfishness, the willingness of so many to create a need by stoking paranoid fears. So if you have a brain the way to gain is to not care who else gets fucked. It’s all about I me, me, mine. Got to have money because it buys happiness. Just look at skid row. Our society is just an enormous Mafia protection racket.

 

[Moonbeam]

No, Democrats should have one universal message at this time: "if you want change, you have to vote us enough power to overcome Republican obstructionism decisively." I'd personally add "until then eat your shit sandwich" but I don't think that would help anything other than my ego.

I believe the facts the articulate stresses leaves your point obvious. That is its value. You change the way you vote based on understanding what the real consequences are.

 

[Jaskalas]

Now America is seeing clearly what the Republican coalition has brought us, from mass shootings to medical bankruptcies to student debt to homelessness.

Now America is seeing clearly what the (current) President has brought them!
Yup, one man in one year. All this misery and pain laid squarely on his shoulders. That, and his party. Their policies. Oh look at the horrible results.

You realize that's the propaganda Republicans are using.
And it is effective.

To hear that their propaganda machine was some 40-50 years in the making, is quite distressing. That is a formidable opponent and I do not know of an equal or greater effort to match and defeat it. Is it even a "game" that we are playing? Humans are highly receptive to propaganda.

 

[dank69]

I believe the facts the articulate stresses leaves your point obvious. That is its value. You change the way you vote based on understanding what the real consequences are.

I believe that most people that don't already know all that are deeply motivated to never know all that.

 

[eelw]

No, Democrats should have one universal message at this time: "if you want change, you have to vote us enough power to overcome Republican obstructionism decisively." I'd personally add "until then eat your shit sandwich" but I don't think that would help anything other than my ego.

But yet you have voters waffling about why vote D if they can’t fulfill their promises > _ <

 

[dank69]

But yet you have voters waffling about why vote D if they can’t fulfill their promises > _ <

Yes, those are people that have been conditioned to hate Democrats no matter what. They have been hating Democrats their entire lives because they were told Democrats are responsible for a whole host of things that Democrats are not responsible for, and in many cases are actively fighting to change.

 

[HomerJS]

The anecdote: I would have recorded the conversation and turn that person in to corporate. They would have been fired. If you have a religious objection to an aspect of your employers business don’t take the job

That leads me into how Dems should fight this. Can’t look like you are attacking a particular religion but push the point one persons religious beliefs cannot be foisted on another. Imagine a Muslim clerk refusing to serve a female because she is uncovered. Remember when the Republicans pushed the fake Sharia Law scare?

Theocratic fascism needs to be in the Democrat lexicon. Muslims can’t tell Jews to cover up. Jews can’t tell Christians to go home by sundown on Friday. Christians can’t redefine birth control for Muslims.

Dems need to go on rhetorical offense

 

[hal2kilo]

But yet you have voters waffling about why vote D if they can’t fulfill their promises > _ <

Although I've said I'm done with Biden. If Biden turns out to be the nominee, I will still vote for him. The consequences for voting in any Republican as they represent themselves now, is completely untenable.

 

[Captante]

Although I've said I'm done with Biden. If Biden turns out to be the nominee, I will still vote for him. The consequences for voting in any Republican as they represent themselves now, is completely untenable.

Same reason I voted for him in 2020.... I doubt that will be enough to win in 2024 though.

 

[nakedfrog]

Now America is seeing clearly what the (current) President has brought them!
Yup, one man in one year. All this misery and pain laid squarely on his shoulders. That, and his party. Their policies. Oh look at the horrible results.

You realize that's the propaganda Republicans are using.
And it is effective.

To hear that their propaganda machine was some 40-50 years in the making, is quite distressing. That is a formidable opponent and I do not know of an equal or greater effort to match and defeat it. Is it even a "game" that we are playing? Humans are highly receptive to propaganda.

Was this new information to you? I suppose that would be particularly distressing for someone in your position, who has partially escaped it after many years.

 

[vi edit]

It's always been about the grift. While conditioning the most emotionally vulnerable by virtue signaling and pandering to their inner fear.
We talk about "fuck you got mine" while the reality is more along the lines of "fuck everyone but the rich, we'll enable them to get theirs".

 

[vi edit]

Income inequality is the real issue. Everything else is just meat for the base.

A Guide to Statistics on Historical Trends in Income Inequality | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The years from the end of World War II into the 1970s were ones of substantial economic growth and broadly shared prosperity. Beginning in the 1970s, economic growth slowed and the income gap widened.

www.cbpp.org

 

[Jaskalas]

Yes, those are people that have been conditioned to hate Democrats no matter what. They have been hating Democrats their entire lives because they were told Democrats are responsible for a whole host of things that Democrats are not responsible for, and in many cases are actively fighting to change.

If you're not planning to kill them, you need to be planning to win them over.

 

[MtnMan]

What went wrong is when the founding fathers failed to mandate term limits for every elected position in the country. The career politician is the cancer that is destroying this country. A cancer that has metastasized into every level of government.

 

[ivwshane]

What went wrong is when the founding fathers failed to mandate term limits for every elected position in the country. The career politician is the cancer that is destroying this country. A cancer that has metastasized into every level of government.

I disagree. What went wrong is money in politics, from lobbying (a constitutional right) to campaign financing. I doubt the founding fathers could have foresaw how money would have influenced politics. After all, they were the ones who thought white land owners were going to be the harbingers of their vision of democracy and freedom. I’m guessing it was due to personal bias seeing as they were white land owners.

 

[MtnMan]

I disagree. What went wrong is money in politics, from lobbying (a constitutional right) to campaign financing. I doubt the founding fathers could have foresaw how money would have influenced politics. After all, they were the ones who thought white land owners were going to be the harbingers of their vision of democracy and freedom. I’m guessing it was due to personal bias seeing as they were white land owners.

Without the career politicians, a bunch of greedy bastards, which term limits would eliminate. NRA, big pharma, oil, coal, etc., won't invest the millions on someone that won't be in office that long.

 

[brandonbull]

Income inequality is the real issue. Everything else is just meat for the base.

A Guide to Statistics on Historical Trends in Income Inequality | Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

The years from the end of World War II into the 1970s were ones of substantial economic growth and broadly shared prosperity. Beginning in the 1970s, economic growth slowed and the income gap widened.

www.cbpp.org

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The majority of the wealthiest districts in the US are represented by Democrats.

 

[Fenixgoon]

The majority of the wealthiest districts in the US are represented by Democrats.

And what kind of policies do Democrats support? Cause last I checked, they wanted to raise taxes on the super wealthy, provide universal healthcare and preschool, universal community college education, and so much more.

So the connection you're trying to make is a leap of faith and not one rooted in reality.

Edit: and by conservative logic which includes prosperity gospel, hard work guarantees success, bootstraps, and "if X can be rich you can too you're just lazy" (all arguments centered around wealth making you a smart/moral person), everyone should strive to be Democrats

 

[dank69]

Without the career politicians, a bunch of greedy bastards, which term limits would eliminate. NRA, big pharma, oil, coal, etc., won't invest the millions on someone that won't be in office that long.

Yeah we need less Bernie Sanders and more Boeberts and Greenes.