I figured out Donald Trump. And he has no intention nor desire to be president.

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FelixDeCat

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Maybe Donald is worried about the direction America is going to and he is afraid it will end up looking like india and he does not want to live in a country that looks like one big slum?

Whats the point of being rich if the entire country looks like india, and the first thing that happens when you step out of the mansion is step on shit and be surrounded by starving people living under tin roofs.

America in 2080?

Mumbai-Slum.jpg

Overpopulation.
 

Indus

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How is Trump part of the problem? He has made sky scrappers FFS! You see that in India?

You are kidding right?

No job for you john connor, you're an American.. but I'll hire that mexican for 50 cents a day. You can try supporting your family on that. - Donald Trump

That's how he's the problem.. and regarding skyscrapers.. you just proved what an ignorant guy you are.. have you ever seen the Mumbai skyline? Or New Delhi, or Chennai or Kolkatta or Benglaru or Noida?

Hell you don't even have to visit, just look at Slumdog Millionaire if you really want to know how many skyscrapers there are in 2008 India.
 
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BoberFett

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Maybe Trump is trying to throw the election because he knows that if Hillary and the Democrats win, the rich will get even richer than they do under Republicans...
 

BonzaiDuck

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I'll throw in on this thread, which I would've expected to find today in this forum before I even checked.

Most of the respondents seem to be on the same wavelength and frequency as I -- more or less. I'm not much repulsed by any of your comments, and I could either say none of you were born yesterday, or you're not naïve virgins about how it all works.

I have a theory. Maybe it's a weak theory, maybe not. To be a strong theory, it's supposed to contain "refutable implications."

Donald, Marco, Huckabee, Fiorina and several others are just foils. Either they've made asses of themselves, or said something ridiculous, or they're already known for their bald-faced hypocrisy.

Except for Christy, there's only one, single civil voice in the crowd: Jeb Bush.

The way this all works derives from my small-sample statistics about our presidents, and in some ways, it transcends party.

Since 1960, there have been three presidents from a single state who prosecuted four wars. 5 out of 9 presidencies since 1960 derived from political careers beginning in 2 states.

Both states had a couple things in common throughout the Cold War and into the present day. They're home to corporations traditionally engaged in mining oil -- big oil states, and they'd traditionally had more than their share of the defense/aerospace industry and recipients to large government contracts for that industry. The two states also have the largest number of miles in paved highways -- either singly or together -- than any of the other lower 48.

From a statistical point of view, for two states combined which had 19% of congressional seats in 1960 and approximately 19% plus/minus since the last time I looked in the middle of W. Bush's term -- based on population and as a proxy for "political opportunity" -- it doesn't make any sense. Talent isn't distributed that unevenly. But industries, with their political clout, certainly are.

Jeb Bush may be former Florida governor, but he's a scion of the Walker and Bush families, who in turn were involved in both the weapons industry and oil going back to a time much earlier than Prescott's election to the US Senate.

What's on the menu?

Trump is so obviously a narcissist, and the fact that this means so little to his supporters is explainable because we live in a narcissistic culture -- to some extent, amplified by Hollywood and the "rugged individual" myths and our value system placing the individual above all else.

Fiorina has got to be the Grand Hypocrite of all time. It seems she's living her fantasy derived from reading Ayn Rand's books, who, in turn, was living the same fantasy in Atlas Shrugged. Fiorina killed some 20,000 to 30,000 American jobs, and then turned around in her Senate campaign to boast "I know how to create jobs." She was booted from HP after that, given a $300 million golden-handshake so they could be rid of her.

Huckabee will say just about anything to energize his evangelical base -- most recently, comparing Obama to Hitler.

Rubio looked promising, until he showed a lack of class for saying Obama had none.

That leaves Bush and Christy and a few others.

After the fog, smoke and mirrors clear away, there's an even chance that Bush will get the nomination.

In the background, we had the Koch brothers subsidizing the transportation for Tea Party rallies, funding super-PACs, more or less "buying" Walker's election in Wisconsin. Oh. I forgot about Walker. That's two shills now, not just one.

And the Koch brothers, overseeing and oil and gas empire, have added their own advertisement for "growing vegetables" to "BP puts America first," "America is the new Natural Gas Super-power," "Exxon Mobil is creating jobs in Angola," and so on.

Whether or not all of this is deliberately orchestrated, the big contributors like the Kochs will influence the outcomes. And all of their ilk, like Raymond L. Hunt of Hunt Oil and Halliburton, hobnob in various semi-secret groups, and they cross paths with the military in organizations like the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

I'm not demonizing the military. But consider that Big Oil had been joined at the hip with the National Security Apparatus and CIA since passage of the 1947 National Security Act. There's always been a revolving door, whereby a GS-9 CIA careerist might be enticed by a six-digit salary by some Houston oil company. There is a reciprocal nature to relationships between government and business: it might account, for instance, for the corruption of the Minerals Management Service (remember Deep Horizon) and other institutions.

Going back to the Chuckleheads.

There was a time, you know, when character had a robust meaning. So for me, the last, great GOP President was Dwight David Eisenhower, who grew up as a Kansas farm boy. And Eisenhower warned in his 1961 farewell speech of the "Military Industrial Complex." In that speech, he only mentions the arms industry, in conjunct with the institution it's joined to.

But half of a "Military Industrial Complex" is "Strategic Minerals," and most of "Strategic Minerals" is involved with fossil-fuel.

Putting clilmate change aside, we had CIA's overthrow of the Iranian President Mossadegh, installing the Shah and the brutal SAVAK secret police. (They don't just hate us for our religion, and we should be mindful that the 1979 hostage crisis was as much a result of the deal swung in the early 50's with British petroleum interests.)

Then, Vietnam veterans returned from S.E. Asia with rumors of mineral wealth in the South China Sea, which has been a repeated news item of conflict since the mid 1990s.

The rest of it, you know. A "diplomatic error" by April Glespie on the behalf of Bush the Elder precipitated Saddam's Kuwait invasion and the first Gulf War.

The rest of it, with the lies about WMDs, the Iraq War -- all recent history.

There's only one problem that ties together the Santa Barbara American Pipeline spill, wildfires in Texas and California, Katrina and Sandy, California's drought, the price at the pump, war, war and more war.

So it would be terrible to elect an narcissist like Trump, a rabid liar like Cruz (a Lone Star candidate), a hypocrite like Fiorina, a shill like Walker, or just about any of the others. How Christy fits into that equation, I can't say. What are the industrial underpinnings of New Jersey?

Sheldon Adelson could teach us about fixing the game. But the game has always been fixed.

The problem: civilization has been slowly painting itself into a corner with the tar from 200-million-year-old rot -- in scarce supply, and a one-time fluke of prehistoric Nature.

Everything else is superfluous: Planned Parenthood selling fetus parts; mass shootings by stars-and-bars lunatics; the poor middle class; college tuition. Minor issues, even if relevant, or trout-fly issues like abortion for prayerful half-wits.

HERE'S A FUNNY AFTERTHOUGHT: It's all a SHELL game. You know -- the big, yellow shell?
 
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BonzaiDuck

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If that's what you call throwing in, you have one hell of an arm.

I'll take that as a compliment, Moonie.

I can't help myself but to resurrect some script-lines from the movie based on Stephen King's "The Shining."

Wendy Torrance (Shelley Duvall) is wandering around the lobby of the Overlook Hotel, and finds Jack Torrance's (Nicholson) manuscript-pile next to his typewriter. "All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy." Page after page after page.

She -- with the audience -- is startled as Nicholson appears from the shadows.

"How d'ya like it?!"
 

FelixDeCat

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Hell you don't even have to visit, just look at Slumdog Millionaire if you really want to know how many skyscrapers there are in 2008 India.

Who would waste their time watching that? :eek:
 
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zephyrprime

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I think OP's analysis is spot on. I doubt that his campaign will do much to make traditional corrupted politicians unelectable for more than 1 election cycle though.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I think OP's analysis is spot on. I doubt that his campaign will do much to make traditional corrupted politicians unelectable for more than 1 election cycle though.

I'm in qualified agreement there. I don't think Trump really sees it himself.

Consciously, he really wants to be President. Subconsciously, he doesn't want it to the extent that he's engaging in self-destructive behavior affecting perceptions of everybody except for his colossally near-sighted and blind supporters.

I don't have the greatest faith in the democratic process. At minimum -- and usually -- it just serves to legitimate temporary authority. The electorate make mistakes. It happened in a German election in 1932. Maybe it's happened here a few times, but most obviously it happened in the 2000 election.

That's why they've been so rabidly hateful about the Obama presidency, ceteris paribus and without having to play "that other card:" They know they made a mistake; they know it cost lives; they know it has now unleashed a Pandora's Box of Middle East insanity drawing on every reason to hate America going back to the Mossadegh coup in Iran.

So they're desperate to claim again what they thought they always deserved: a monopoly lock on the White House.

So the big question: Will the chucklehead lemmings of the electorate follow the sine-wave cycle of public sentiment, and give power back to the GOP in 2016? Or will they learn to think for themselves?
 

Auric

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Except India's problem stems from colonization by the Muslim Mughal Empire and the British Empire.

It was the leading place in the world of education, literature, mathematics, astronomy, algebra, trigonometry, geometry, calculus, medicine, arts, religion. They were the first to work steel.. and Columbus wasn't trying to find America.. he was trying to find India.

The Europeans did a good job plundering everything India had and now all there's left is the population and their IQ.

The 1% are doing a good job of plundering America and the world's resources.. so yes your 2080 vision might not be far off from the truth, except Donald Trump is part of the problem, not the solution.

Well said.


I'm not demonizing the military. But consider that Big Oil had been joined at the hip with the National Security Apparatus and CIA since passage of the 1947 National Security Act.

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And Eisenhower warned in his 1961 farewell speech of the "Military Industrial Complex." In that speech, he only mentions the arms industry, in conjunct with the institution it's joined to.

But half of a "Military Industrial Complex" is "Strategic Minerals," and most of "Strategic Minerals" is involved with fossil-fuel.

It was a given since the need for oil security began in the late nineteenth century as navies converted, so was precursor to the modern MIC. The Royal Navy was likewise indivisible from government long before that.
 
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OverVolt

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I don't think getting plundered or not is really the question because thats a given. At least Trump would use the plunder for something useful like a giant statue of himself.
 

sm625

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Being president is not a pay cut. You're being too densely literal with the whole salary thing. After serving as president, he could go around the country giving speeches for $500k each. And since he would likely own the buildings he's giving the speeches in, he'd make even more money by hosting the speeches. With all the connections he'd make, he'd be looking at an easy 20 billion within 5 years of leaving office.
 

zephyrprime

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Being president is not a pay cut. You're being too densely literal with the whole salary thing. After serving as president, he could go around the country giving speeches for $500k each. And since he would likely own the buildings he's giving the speeches in, he'd make even more money by hosting the speeches. With all the connections he'd make, he'd be looking at an easy 20 billion within 5 years of leaving office.
Plus, he only has to be president for 4 years, not the full 8. Just 4 years would be enough to raise his celebrity to a whole nother level. The connections and rise in prestige would allow him to wheel and deal on a whole nother level.
 

flexy

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I don't think Trump has the welfare of America on his agenda, he sees this campaign and a potential presidency only as a personal challenge. It's all about him. He's narcissistic and arrogant and probably hasn't actually realized that politics is actually ABOUT OTHERS.
 

BonzaiDuck

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I don't think Trump has the welfare of America on his agenda, he sees this campaign and a potential presidency only as a personal challenge. It's all about him. He's narcissistic and arrogant and probably hasn't actually realized that politics is actually ABOUT OTHERS.

Doesn't that a**hole love the spotlight, though? It's such a tell!

And all the statements I've seen -- just repeating what you said: "I . . . I . . . . I . . . I . . . . Me . . . me . . . . My . . . my . . . my " In a ten-line paragraph.

But like I said, the menu has some 20 candidates. Well -- count 'em.

Perry -- Texas -- big oil big defense/aerospace -- nuttier than squirrel shit
Cruz -- Texas -- big oil big defense . . . . etc. and also squirrel shit
Walker -- Wisconsin -- joined at the hip with Koch bros -- big gas and oil
Jindahl -- Louisiana -- big oil
Christy -- New Jersey -- Standard/Esso
Jeb Bush -- Florida (from Texas) -- four or more generations big-oil and armaments

Remember 2008? Palin -- Alaska -- and who was she talking to? People! Who pay more than $1,000/annum to every one of 700,000 people. People! Because -- "Corporations are people, my friends!"

And Romney was going to appoint the former CEO of the American Petroleum Institute as "White House Chief of Staff."

Like I said. The fix . . . is in. If somehow all of those six names miss the Pres nomination, they'll be filling the oil-soaked boots of Dick Cheney.

A "Shell" game -- in yellow and red.

Could they . . . just pick Colin Powell? I guess he distanced himself from that party. No less wise or old than I, he probably sees the same shyster with the little set-up table and the walnuts -- the "shells."

How about a "community organizer?"

I guess they can't find an altruist.

And Trump? Wall Street -- for starters. You can trace the money from there, all the way to Port of Galveston.
 

Indus

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I don't think Trump has the welfare of America on his agenda, he sees this campaign and a potential presidency only as a personal challenge. It's all about him. He's narcissistic and arrogant and probably hasn't actually realized that politics is actually ABOUT OTHERS.

Trumps 1st presidential order: Bomb the middle class and poor of USA to extinction so I can play golf where ever I want to without the need to step on street vendors.
 

MarkXIX

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I don't give a shit about what Trump thinks or wants, what is happening here is that he's touched a raw nerve among a lot of Americans in that he's at least speaking from an unvarnished, no bullshit perspective.

For too long we've known that they all speak from a prepared speech with various open or hidden agendas behind every word. They use rehearsed hand gestures, etc., it's all a show.

Trump just doesn't give a fuck. He's already worth billions, he doesn't worry about who wants to crawl under the table and suck him off and give him money for the favor.

I'm not saying I like the guy, I won't vote for him, but I think that's really all there is to him at this point. He's rough, he's incendiary, and he is brave enough just to not give a fuck about the media, people's opinions, etc. Hell, just about everyone it comes up with, regardless of their political leanings end any Trump discussion with "but at least he says what's on his mind!"