I feel like I won't die

moonbogg

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Sometimes I get this feeling that I won't die. Logically I know I will of course, but I have this gut feeling that I will keep going. I'm not talking about after life, I'm talking about real life.
I get this feeling that I will just barely make it to the next big medical revolution that will extend my life just long enough to make it to the next, and then the next etc.
Do you think that's likely, given the current state of technology and medical progress? Would you want that to happen to you, or would you elect to extend your life in such a way provided the quality of your health would be acceptable to you?
 

witeken

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No. Even if your life could be extended indefinitely, how healthy would you be at age 150? Would a life at age 150 (or 15.000) be worth living? I could be wrong of course, but my gut feeling says that it's gonna take the right genes that don't want to kill you after you've reproduced and doesn't change your body after age ~20.

Or maybe I'm not imaginative enough and they'll be able to remove all biological things from you so you can live forever in a robot?
 
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I dont want to live longer. Imagine if we lived till 300. Youd have to work for like 250 years before retirement. Screw that :p
 

RandomWords

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I agree that it is not likely;

- if the quality of my health could be acceptable - ie: I could walk, be relatively no older physically than a 50 year old - maybe - if friends and family were alive as well - ie: I wouldn't want to live longer than my children and watch them die; I would consider it. However, I don't think that option would be benificial to the world - as people need to die to make room for new people... unless you are also adding population control to this scenario.
 

witeken

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However, I don't think that option would be benificial to the world - as people need to die to make room for new people... unless you are also adding population control to this scenario.

Indeed, this would only be viable and ethical if space travel was possible.
 

Sonikku

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What if in 50 years you could upload your consciousness to the internet?
 

moonbogg

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Indeed, this would only be viable and ethical if space travel was possible.

Sadly this is likely the case unless the medical revolution was accompanied by other revolutions that somehow made living very efficient with regard to living space and resources.

What if in 50 years you could upload your consciousness to the internet?

I expect something similar to happen but I'm doubtful that we'll be there in 50 years. A lot can happen in 50 years though, especially using today as a starting point.

That would be a copy of your consciousness, not you. Just like the regular meaning of uploading.

This is true, but not from the perspective of the consciousness itself. There is a way to do it correctly though. You need to transition between the two media to give the consciousness time to accept its new media as it feels itself leave then old. If there is any shut down period during the transition, then other people might consider the new consciousness to be a different person, although the consciousness itself would not be bothered by this.
Consciousness is a phenomenon generated by nature. That means it can be copied and the copy is just as good as the original, but for philosophical reasons, the "live transition time" is valued.

Furthermore, it will be different from the internet because large areas of internet connectivity are able to fail all at once should something happen to a main source. Its better to have individual, independent cells which contain a community of individuals, able to communicate and function with other cells to act as a larger whole, but if something happens to one cell, the others continue on until damage is repaired. In a worst case scenario, the cell dies and is left behind while the others continue on. It just makes sense this way. The cell body structure should be used because it has been proven already to be effective.
 
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Smoblikat

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Nope, definitely wouldnt elect to extend my life. Its gone on too long as it is.
 

alzan

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Sometimes I get this feeling that I won't die. Logically I know I will of course, but I have this gut feeling that I will keep going. I'm not talking about after life, I'm talking about real life.
I get this feeling that I will just barely make it to the next big medical revolution that will extend my life just long enough to make it to the next, and then the next etc.
Do you think that's likely, given the current state of technology and medical progress? Would you want that to happen to you, or would you elect to extend your life in such a way provided the quality of your health would be acceptable to you?

Perhaps you're a reincarnated soul who hasn't completed your life cycles; your soul knows it has much more to learn/experience thereby causing you to think you won't die.
 

HeXen

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Alright...alright...C'mon now guys, who put the LSD in the punch bowl?
 

inachu

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I think it could happen.
Once we start printing adult body parts using infant stem cells.
Is your body chock full of fat and your arteries almost closed off?

Head transplant to a new body. By being transplanted into a new body will make your grey go away naturally. Your new blood supply will reverse the aging to your head thus making wrinkles go away.

The only thing to do after that is to implant new teeth to grow and possibly new eyes.

The only trouble I see doctors having is printing out a new hearing system for the inner ear.
 

Caravaggio

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Sometimes I get this feeling that I won't die. Logically I know I will of course, but I have this gut feeling that I will keep going.

Trust your brain, not your guts. If you want to live forever just visit your local OAP home. That should disabuse you of the 'eternal life' wish.
Ask the staff the following key questions:
How many of these folks are in nappies?
How many get any visitors?
How many still talk?
What do they do all day?

Life has a natural span. 70 good years? Consider yourself lucky.
Stem cells are about as reliable as second-hand engines for a GTO.
 

SMOGZINN

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There is really only two choices here, die or not die. If given the option I'll choose any form of not die every time. I don't care if it's 10,000 years of sitting in a wheelchair drooling on the straw I need to slurp my liquid nutrient broth while staring at a blank wall. It is better than being dead.
 

Caravaggio

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I don't care if it's 10,000 years of sitting in a wheelchair drooling on the straw I need to slurp my liquid nutrient broth while staring at a blank wall. It is better than being dead.

But your choice of endless, purposeless tedium would impose huge commitments on more able people to fill your broth bottle, hose you down when the broth poo builds up, change your diapers and tick-box those endless questionnaires concerning your "care quality" and "care plan". And re-paint that blank wall every 25 years or so. That is 400 coats of pale magnolia vinyl matt. Would you be worth it after the first 500 years?
Sure, if you can wangle this deal through your insurers, give it a try. Imagine the resources consumed and the waste generated by this ever-growing army of zombified broth-suckers if your idea caught on? Without death, where shall we all fit our wheelchairs?
 

Fern

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I feel like I won't die

That's a young man's thought.

Wait until you're older. It'll go away. I would tell you what it will be replace by, but I don't want to bum you out on a weekend.

Fern
 

TheSlamma

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wait till you get older and things start breaking and take 2-4x longer to repair.

when I was 19 I used to think I was not going to die either, add a few decades and a handful of injuries and diseases and now I know I'm gonna die. I actually hope to not even make it to 80.
 

Exophase

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Do you think that's likely, given the current state of technology and medical progress?

I think there has been zero sign of this coming. Life expectancy goes up as we improve treatment and prevention for various things that would have killed people. But we haven't really done anything that I'm aware of to slow down aging and inevitably dying of "old age."

If this could happen someone or something would probably eventually suddenly kill you anyway. To really sustain your life you need a more robust form of backing up and restoring yourself, assuming that's close enough to constitute as maintaining your identity.
 

GHz_ghost

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Sometimes I get this feeling that I won't die. Logically I know I will of course, but I have this gut feeling that I will keep going. I'm not talking about after life, I'm talking about real life.
I get this feeling that I will just barely make it to the next big medical revolution that will extend my life just long enough to make it to the next, and then the next etc.
Do you think that's likely, given the current state of technology and medical progress? Would you want that to happen to you, or would you elect to extend your life in such a way provided the quality of your health would be acceptable to you?


I wish I had the same confidence as you. I have really bad anxiety and hourly think I'm dying. Kinda sucks to live with.

I think we definitely will be able to upload a copy of our consciousness to a computer eventually, probably within the next 100 years. I would probably do it too, if I could.
 

Mai72

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Go for a ride on the streets in Thailand.

You are taking your life in your hands!