I don't understand President Bush's latest comments on civilization.

[Proletariat]

After Terri Schiavo's death the Bush brothers gave the following comments:

?After an extraordinarily difficult and tragic journey, Terri Schiavo is at rest,? Bush said. ?I remain convinced, however, that Terri?s death is a window through which we can see the many issues left unresolved in our families and in our society. For that, we can be thankful for all that the life of Terri Schiavo has taught us.?

- Jeb Bush

President Bush, the governor?s brother, who also worked to keep Schiavo alive, paused before a press briefing on intelligence issues to note Schiavo?s death. "The essence of civilization is that the strong must protect the weak," Bush said.

- President George W. Bush

I personally don't think, and I don't think anyone of us here would delude ourselves enough to believe, in any way, shape or form, that the statement bolded above is at all a correct representation of the Republican party or its values. Even Republicans themselves have refuted the above statement many times in their opposition to welfare and other types of what they call "social engineering". It really makes me begin to question the true nature of this man. He is either a liar or a hypocrite. Or maybe both. Or maybe we have a deluded, confused liberal on our hands.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
After Terri Schiavo's death the Bush brothers gave the following comments:

?After an extraordinarily difficult and tragic journey, Terri Schiavo is at rest,? Bush said. ?I remain convinced, however, that Terri?s death is a window through which we can see the many issues left unresolved in our families and in our society. For that, we can be thankful for all that the life of Terri Schiavo has taught us.?

- Jeb Bush

President Bush, the governor?s brother, who also worked to keep Schiavo alive, paused before a press briefing on intelligence issues to note Schiavo?s death. "The essence of civilization is that the strong must protect the weak," Bush said.

- President George W. Bush

I personally don't think, and I don't think anyone of us here would delude ourselves enough to believe, in any way, shape or form, that the statement bolded above is at all a correct representation of the Republican party or its values. Even Republicans themselves have refuted the above statement many times in their opposition to welfare and other types of what they call "social engineering". It really makes me begin to question the true nature of this man. He is either a liar or a hypocrite. Or maybe both. Or maybe we have a deluded, confused liberal on our hands.

if Bush has proved one thing repeatedly, it's that he is a *severely* deluded, confused Liberal

Jason

 

[Yax]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
After Terri Schiavo's death the Bush brothers gave the following comments:

?After an extraordinarily difficult and tragic journey, Terri Schiavo is at rest,? Bush said. ?I remain convinced, however, that Terri?s death is a window through which we can see the many issues left unresolved in our families and in our society. For that, we can be thankful for all that the life of Terri Schiavo has taught us.?

- Jeb Bush

President Bush, the governor?s brother, who also worked to keep Schiavo alive, paused before a press briefing on intelligence issues to note Schiavo?s death. "The essence of civilization is that the strong must protect the weak," Bush said.

- President George W. Bush

I personally don't think, and I don't think anyone of us here would delude ourselves enough to believe, in any way, shape or form, that the statement bolded above is at all a correct representation of the Republican party or its values. Even Republicans themselves have refuted the above statement many times in their opposition to welfare and other types of what they call "social engineering". It really makes me begin to question the true nature of this man. He is either a liar or a hypocrite. Or maybe both. Or maybe we have a deluded, confused liberal on our hands.

He's still trying to justify his war in Iraq: Strong America must protect weak Iraqi's from themselves.

 

[conjur]

Just look to the definition of a neoconservative. There's your answer.

 

[kage69]

Is he a hypocrite? :laugh:

 

[conehead433]

" "The essence of civilization is that the strong must protect the weak," Bush said."

Sounds almost exactly like something MLK once said.

You mean like the little baby in Texas whose life support was recently disconnected against the mother's wishes simply because the family was unable to pay. And this a direct result of George W. Bush siging the Texas Futile Care Law in 1999. And now grandstanding as if to help save Terry Schiavo's life. Give me a break. And you have to ask if he is a hypocrite? LOL

 

[MCWAR]

"The essence of civilization is that the strong must protect the weak," Bush said.

- President George W. Bush
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I have believed for a long time that this statement is a much better term describing the right. Pro-life just is to vauge of a term and misleading.


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I personally don't think, and I don't think anyone of us here would delude ourselves enough to believe, in any way, shape or form, that the statement bolded above is at all a correct representation of the Republican party or its values. Even Republicans themselves have refuted the above statement many times in their opposition to welfare and other types of what they call "social engineering".
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NO, you purposly misunderstand and mistate that claim. The right is not against helping a person who is on hard times or weak. We are against the working person having to support the lazy person. Especially ones who play the system.
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He's still trying to justify his war in Iraq: Strong America must protect weak Iraqi's from themselves.
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Once again, a mistatement of sillyness.Strong America must protect weak Iraqi's from the terrible regime of death.
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You guys never cease to amaze.

 

[Red Dawn]

I don't understand President Bush's latest comments on civilization.

No worries, he probably doesn't either.

 

[phillyTIM]

If you took a child's picture dictionary, looked up the word "hypocrite" (or "liar" or "phony"...etc., you get the picture)...it would have george w. bush's picture right there! no kidding!!!!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: conehead433
" "The essence of civilization is that the strong must protect the weak," Bush said."

Sounds almost exactly like something MLK once said.

You mean like the little baby in Texas whose life support was recently disconnected against the mother's wishes simply because the family was unable to pay. And this a direct result of George W. Bush siging the Texas Futile Care Law in 1999. And now grandstanding as if to help save Terry Schiavo's life. Give me a break. And you have to ask if he is a hypocrite? LOL

Whatever panders to the radical, religious right to increase campaign coffers and help the Propagandist push his re-nominated conservative judges.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: phillyTIM
If you took a child's picture dictionary, looked up the word "hypocrite" (or "liar" or "phony"...etc., you get the picture)...it would have george w. bush's picture right there! no kidding!!!!

:thumbsup:

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
After Terri Schiavo's death the Bush brothers gave the following comments:

?After an extraordinarily difficult and tragic journey, Terri Schiavo is at rest,? Bush said. ?I remain convinced, however, that Terri?s death is a window through which we can see the many issues left unresolved in our families and in our society. For that, we can be thankful for all that the life of Terri Schiavo has taught us.?

- Jeb Bush

President Bush, the governor?s brother, who also worked to keep Schiavo alive, paused before a press briefing on intelligence issues to note Schiavo?s death. "The essence of civilization is that the strong must protect the weak," Bush said.

- President George W. Bush

I personally don't think, and I don't think anyone of us here would delude ourselves enough to believe, in any way, shape or form, that the statement bolded above is at all a correct representation of the Republican party or its values. Even Republicans themselves have refuted the above statement many times in their opposition to welfare and other types of what they call "social engineering". It really makes me begin to question the true nature of this man. He is either a liar or a hypocrite. Or maybe both. Or maybe we have a deluded, confused liberal on our hands.

Have you ever heard the expression "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime"?

welfare was not teaching it was giving. Some times you have to kick the bird out of the nest to teach it to fly

I really would look at myself if i were you and find out why you hate bush so much. I never liked clinton but i never hated him. I just dont understand how people can hate politicians because they disagree with their political beliefs. I hear the term "extremist christians" all the time when their spiritial beliefs differ from politicans--for instance killing a baby or removing a feeding tube from a terri. But someone has deep hate because of politics it just nuts--repeat after me POLITICS IS NOT A RELIGION.

FYI
I'm not pro-choise or pro-life (part both but more towards pro-life since my father was adopted)
I thought they should remove terri's feeding tube because shes a vegetable

 

[MCWAR]

quote:
Have you ever heard the expression "give a man a fish and he eats for a day, teach a man to fish and he eats for a lifetime"?

welfare was not teaching it was giving. Some times you have to kick the bird out of the nest to teach it to fly

I really would look at myself if i were you and find out why you hate bush so much. I never liked clinton but i never hated him. I just dont understand how people can hate politicians because they disagree with their political beliefs. I hear the term "extremist christians" all the time when their spiritial beliefs differ from politicans--for instance killing a baby or removing a feeding tube from a terri. But someone has deep hate because of politics it just nuts--repeat after me POLITICS IS NOT A RELIGION
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:thumbsup:

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Proletariat
After Terri Schiavo's death the Bush brothers gave the following comments:

?After an extraordinarily difficult and tragic journey, Terri Schiavo is at rest,? Bush said. ?I remain convinced, however, that Terri?s death is a window through which we can see the many issues left unresolved in our families and in our society. For that, we can be thankful for all that the life of Terri Schiavo has taught us.?

- Jeb Bush

President Bush, the governor?s brother, who also worked to keep Schiavo alive, paused before a press briefing on intelligence issues to note Schiavo?s death. "The essence of civilization is that the strong must protect the weak," Bush said.

- President George W. Bush

I personally don't think, and I don't think anyone of us here would delude ourselves enough to believe, in any way, shape or form, that the statement bolded above is at all a correct representation of the Republican party or its values. Even Republicans themselves have refuted the above statement many times in their opposition to welfare and other types of what they call "social engineering". It really makes me begin to question the true nature of this man. He is either a liar or a hypocrite. Or maybe both. Or maybe we have a deluded, confused liberal on our hands.

Republicans are much more generous with their personal wealth than the average liberal. Look at the Catalogue For Philanthropy's study for last year that showed that the top states that gave the most in charitable contributions also were that states that Bush won by a large margin. The worst states in the study, including Massachusettes, all went to Kerry.

Go ahead and red/blue color this information for yourself and see if you notice any pattern.

When you learn the difference between real generosity and compassion, and Robin Hood-style vigilantism, then you may understand why your "Conservative are just cold, mean, and selfish" stereotype just makes you look silly.

You were right about one things, however - it does look like we have a deluded, confused liberal on our hands.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Proletariat
After Terri Schiavo's death the Bush brothers gave the following comments:

?After an extraordinarily difficult and tragic journey, Terri Schiavo is at rest,? Bush said. ?I remain convinced, however, that Terri?s death is a window through which we can see the many issues left unresolved in our families and in our society. For that, we can be thankful for all that the life of Terri Schiavo has taught us.?

- Jeb Bush

President Bush, the governor?s brother, who also worked to keep Schiavo alive, paused before a press briefing on intelligence issues to note Schiavo?s death. "The essence of civilization is that the strong must protect the weak," Bush said.

- President George W. Bush

I personally don't think, and I don't think anyone of us here would delude ourselves enough to believe, in any way, shape or form, that the statement bolded above is at all a correct representation of the Republican party or its values. Even Republicans themselves have refuted the above statement many times in their opposition to welfare and other types of what they call "social engineering". It really makes me begin to question the true nature of this man. He is either a liar or a hypocrite. Or maybe both. Or maybe we have a deluded, confused liberal on our hands.

Republicans are much more generous with their personal wealth than the average liberal. Look at the Catalogue For Philanthropy's study for last year that showed that the top states that gave the most in charitable contributions also were that states that Bush won by a large margin. The worst states in the study, including Massachusettes, all went to Kerry.

Go ahead and red/blue color this information for yourself and see if you notice any pattern.

When you learn the difference between real generosity and compassion, and Robin Hood-style vigilantism, then you may understand why your "Conservative are just cold, mean, and selfish" stereotype just makes you look silly.

You were right about one things, however - it does look like we have a deluded, confused liberal on our hands.

Take out the tithing in the more "red" areas and what do you have? How much are the Christians actually giving to the poor and not to their church for maintenance, salaries, etc.?

 

[Moonbeam]

What Bush actually said was nothing. He simply mumbled some noise. He is against the axis of evil, and that's all you need to know.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: conjur
Take out the tithing in the more "red" areas and what do you have? How much are the Christians actually giving to the poor and not to their church for maintenance, salaries, etc.?

Ah, I keep forgetting that $$ from Christians doesn't count as charity. That damn Jesus-money makes the food takes like crap to those hungry kids.

We've been through this before. Our church uses 20% of donations for purely operational expenses (utilities, salaries, food, etc), while the remainder either goes directly to charity, or as a source for other charitable investments (fundraisers, etc.) Many operate on the same kind of margins. Most aren't the $0.03 for every dollar charities you'd want to believe.

I know you have your issues with the Church and Religion, but don't just dismiss all the good they do.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: conjur
Take out the tithing in the more "red" areas and what do you have? How much are the Christians actually giving to the poor and not to their church for maintenance, salaries, etc.?

Ah, I keep forgetting that $$ from Christians doesn't count as charity. That damn Jesus-money makes the food takes like crap to those hungry kids.

We've been through this before. Our church uses 20% of donations for purely operational expenses (utilities, salaries, food, etc), while the remainder either goes directly to charity, or as a source for other charitable investments (fundraisers, etc.) Many operate on the same kind of margins. Most aren't the $0.03 for every dollar charities you'd want to believe.

I know you have your issues with the Church and Religion, but don't just dismiss all the good they do.

I'm not dismissing the good they do but you're assuming an awful lot about the efficiency with which churches are run. I'd bet yours is on the better side.

Also, their data doesn't show if the returns are married filing jointly, head of household, single, etc. The higher averages in the south could be due to more married couples filing jointly. Maybe there are more singles in the north or more co-habitants that file separately. Perhaps their research actually reveals the exact opposite!

 

[conjur]

Jeb Bush is about to kill a mentally ill man.


Governor Bush Mourns Schiavo, Prepares to Kill Mentally Ill Man
http://www.earnedmedia.org/fadp0331.htm

 

[kage69]

"Culture of life," heh, still makes me laugh...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Proletariat
After Terri Schiavo's death the Bush brothers gave the following comments:

?After an extraordinarily difficult and tragic journey, Terri Schiavo is at rest,? Bush said. ?I remain convinced, however, that Terri?s death is a window through which we can see the many issues left unresolved in our families and in our society. For that, we can be thankful for all that the life of Terri Schiavo has taught us.?

- Jeb Bush

President Bush, the governor?s brother, who also worked to keep Schiavo alive, paused before a press briefing on intelligence issues to note Schiavo?s death. "The essence of civilization is that the strong must protect the weak," Bush said.

- President George W. Bush

I personally don't think, and I don't think anyone of us here would delude ourselves enough to believe, in any way, shape or form, that the statement bolded above is at all a correct representation of the Republican party or its values. Even Republicans themselves have refuted the above statement many times in their opposition to welfare and other types of what they call "social engineering". It really makes me begin to question the true nature of this man. He is either a liar or a hypocrite. Or maybe both. Or maybe we have a deluded, confused liberal on our hands.

Republicans are much more generous with their personal wealth than the average liberal. Look at the Catalogue For Philanthropy's study for last year that showed that the top states that gave the most in charitable contributions also were that states that Bush won by a large margin. The worst states in the study, including Massachusettes, all went to Kerry.

Go ahead and red/blue color this information for yourself and see if you notice any pattern.

When you learn the difference between real generosity and compassion, and Robin Hood-style vigilantism, then you may understand why your "Conservative are just cold, mean, and selfish" stereotype just makes you look silly.

You were right about one things, however - it does look like we have a deluded, confused liberal on our hands.

Two things about that data.

Number one: That data looks almost too perfect if one is trying to make the point that conservatives are more generous. While this doesn't prove anything, it should give anyone looking at it pause...at the very least I don't think it should be accepted at face value.

Number two: Speaking of face value, that data leaves a LOT of information out. The most obvious thing that spring to mind is that they use GROSS income, not net. One thing that a lot of blue states have in common is a higher cost of living than red states. So there is always the possibility that blue staters have less disposable income than red staters...relativly speaking. Which brings up an interesting point, why use gross income at all, net income would be a far more useful value?

The second obvious thing that is left out is exactly where the money is going. There are certainly good and bad places to use your money. I personally would rather someone donate $100 to cancer research than give $300 to the Republican party (or the Democrats for that matter). Now clearly this applies to all states, but who's to say the blue staters aren't putting their dollar to better use?

Obviously I haven't proven anything here, red staters might very well be more generous. But there is a big gap between throwing down a bunch of numbers and proving a point. If there is one thing I've learned in college stats classes, it's that stats are almost always less revealing than we might think.

By the way, regarding the idea that Conservatives are mean and don't give any money, I disagree with the second part. I think conservatives do give a lot of money. I just don't think they make very good use of it. Witness our "social responsibility" carried out freeing Iraq at the bargin price of only hundreds of billions of dollars while our schools get some moronic plan that educators widely agree doesn't help.

 

[conjur]

Good point about the cost of living. Hadn't thought of that.

But, yeah, that "study" certainly came up with the answer it wanted.

 

[daveshel]

What house of cards has ever been noted for structural stability?

 

[dannybin1742]

Especially ones who play the system.

and as we all know if you don't have a job, you are just lazy and trying to play the system..........(sarcasm)........... pull your head out of your @$$

 

[Genx87]

Is that what he said? I think when he says "playing" the system. he is referring the people who growup on welfare, stay on welfare, and their kids are on welfare.

They become nothing more than leeches on a system designed to help people while they get back on their feet.