i don't understand how rich people can commit suicide

[dave_the_nerd]

Rich people commit suicide the same way poor people do, they just do it better.

You or I might shoot ourselves in the head. A rich person would shoot themselves in the head using an ornately decorated 17th century flintlock dueling pistol with a gold and mother-of-pearl inlay.

You or I might lock ourselves in a car in the garage and run the car out of gas. A rich person locks themselves in the small garage, and runs their Bentley, their Ferrari, and their Mercedes out of gas.

You or I might take a combination of booze and pills. Perhaps Jack Daniels and some Oxy. A rich person will, after their personal assistant delivers rather more uncut heroin than they usually do, mix it with a '09 Chateau Margeaux.

Etc.

You don't even want to know what they do with the Faberge Eggs.

 

[Mxylplyx]

OP, do you want to know why I love good sushi dinners, or week long vacations at the beach? It's because the relative scarcity of those delights makes them more meaningful. Many rich people are miserable because they no longer value these things since they can do them whenever they want. The high from buying some shiny new thing wears off quicker too. I would like to be rich not because of all the crap I could buy, but because of the experiences I would be able to have with the people I care about.

 

[bradley]

Bradley your advise is fucking poisonous to those with depression. You could cause real harm to people just barely holding on by saying things that could put them into a nose dive. Save your conspiracy theories about how big pharm just wants to make you worse for P&N threads.

After a short period the patient develops a tolerance to SSRIs, while the serious side effects linger. They work by impairing and suppressing normal brain function, which is a wonky, potentially deleterious powder keg of a solution.

The only real harm is how frequently SSRIs are prescribed off-label, which have ended in many multi-million dollar settlements.

Most recent case (June 2014) of off-label marketing...
GSK To Pay $105 Million Settlement over Advair, Paxil, Wellbutrin Disputes
http://consumerist.com/2014/06/04/gsk-to-pay-105-million-to-settle-advair-paxil-wellbutrin-disputes/

This was after GlaxoSmithKline stated they would no longer pay doctors (aka kickbacks) to prescribe their medicine in 2013. Money (not symptoms) is behind why pharmaceuticals are prescribed.
GSK Theoretically Not Going To Pay Off Docs Anymore
http://consumerist.com/2013/12/17/gsk-theoretically-not-going-to-pay-off-docs-anymore/

Yet, even with increasing SSRI use, there's a Large Increase in Suicide Rates Among 35 to 64 Year Olds http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...crease-in-suicide-rates-among-35-64-year-olds

And there is some evidence pointing to drugs like Prozac for increased suicidal tendencies.
Psychiatrist: Company hid Prozac, suicide link: Harvard psychiatrist Martin Teicher said the American people were "guinea pigs" for Lilly.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2005-01-05-prozac-usat_x.htm


Meanwhile, are you getting enough B vitamins including choline, DHA from fatty acids and enough sunshine or vitamin D3 (the sunshine vitamin) etc.? I wonder if anyone asked Robin Williams the same questions. The science behind these substances is way more sound than SSRIs.

For instance the AI of choline is between 450-550mg for men and women, impossible to get from a diet not consisting of enough liver - which has the highest natural concentrations.
The relation of dietary choline to cognitive performance and white-matter hyperintensity in the Framingham Offspring Cohort.
Am J Clin Nutr. 2011 Dec;94(6):1584-91. doi: 10.3945/ajcn.110.008938. Epub 2011 Nov 9.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22071706

DHA comprises 20% of your brain's cerebral cortex, of which studies have confirmed a thinning in this brain region is linked to depression. DHA is another substance hard to get in sufficient quantities without supplementation.
Selective deficits in the omega-3 fatty acid docosahexaenoic acid in the postmortem orbitofrontal cortex of patients with major depressive disorder.
Biol Psychiatry. 2007 Jul 1;62(1):17-24. Epub 2006 Dec 22.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17188654


How dare anyone try to spread the truth and profoundly assist the clinically depressed. I'd take information as true power over money any day.

 

[Hugo Drax]

i always tell myself that if i was to the point where i was going to commit suicide, i would just stop doing things i hate and decide to spend my money doing what i want. i would quit my job and do things that make me happy

and i just have a paltry amount of money compared to someone like robin williams. how can someone that rich commit suicide? he had it better than %99.9999999 on the planet! he could do pretty much anything he wanted to!

Send them to my Maslow's Reset Camp. and I will fix. :biggrin:

 

[brianmanahan]

you should kill yourself for writing %99.9999999.

why?

 

[squarecut1]

The modern culture confuses fun/pleasure with happiness. The same thinking is in this thread posts too

 

[Captante]

Whenever Richard Cory went downtown,
We people on the pavement looked at him:
He was a gentleman from sole to crown,
Clean-favored, and imperially slim.

And he was always quietly arrayed,
And he was always human when he talked;
But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
"Good-morning," and he glittered when he walked.

And he was rich – yes, richer than a king –
And admirably schooled in every grace:
In fine, we thought that he was everything
To make us wish that we were in his place.

So on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;
And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,
Went home and put a bullet through his head.
--E.A. Robinson, 1897

Reportedly, not a new phenomena.

Uno

And paraphrased by Simon & Garfunkel in song. True either way.

 

[Fritzo]

Money doesn't take away problems. It usually creates even more problems.

 

[eng2d2]

OP, do you want to know why I love good sushi dinners, or week long vacations at the beach? It's because the relative scarcity of those delights makes them more meaningful. Many rich people are miserable because they no longer value these things since they can do them whenever they want. The high from buying some shiny new thing wears off quicker too. I would like to be rich not because of all the crap I could buy, but because of the experiences I would be able to have with the people I care about.

This

 

[Aikouka]

i don't get how ANYONE can commit suicide, unless you are terminally ill and want to not suffer.

As someone that has never really been all that happy, I can understand it. I think that it's hard for someone that isn't in that state of mind to fathom, but just imagine if nothing could ever really make you happy. Even if something did manage to do so, the negativity kicks in and you just end up destroying any shred of said happiness. Also, add in the fact of how mentally exhausting it is to play happy around other people. Read rockyct's post as I'll say that most of that hit home.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

After a short period the patient develops a tolerance to SSRIs, while the serious side effects linger. They work by impairing and suppressing normal brain function, which is a wonky, potentially deleterious powder keg of a solution.

How dare anyone try to spread the truth and profoundly assist the clinically depressed. I'd take information as true power over money any day.

Spouting a bunch of off topic stuff and pseudoscience isn't meaningful in the least. There wouldn't have been asylums 60 years ago if all it took was vitamins nor anti-depressants now. Go take your shit somewhere else.

 

[mammador]

disagree....

human beings are complex...life is complex...

somebody may be rich and famous, but then NOBODY has a perfect life. it's just a matter of degree.

somebody can be rich and have a medical condition causing depression, or shitty relationships, or some past trauma, etc.

But yeah, people who are rich aren't allowed to be human and have human experiences....

 

[mammador]

Money doesn't take away problems. It usually creates even more problems.

This.

 

[bradley]

Spouting a bunch of off topic stuff and pseudoscience isn't meaningful in the least. There wouldn't have been asylums 60 years ago if all it took was vitamins nor anti-depressants now. Go take your shit somewhere else.

What a perfectly cohesive and structured statement to my thoughtful post.

Q: I don't understand how rich people can commit suicide

A: Because wealthy people are just as likely limited in basic health information, which is the synopsis of my answer for those with limited spans and itchy fingers.

In other words, money will give you more control over people, information gives you more control over yourself.... as well as other people. Obviously, you are the boss of no one.

 

[gorb]

about 22k would solve my problems :/

 

[SandEagle]

if i had $7.3 million dollars and i found out Ted two doors down had $8.2 million, i'd totally kill myself for being such a loser.

 

[SandEagle]

Money doesn't take away problems. It usually creates even more problems.

spoken like a true poor person.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

spoken like a true poor person.

http://www.getrichslowly.org/blog/2010/09/16/how-much-is-enough-on-average-about-75000-per-year/

 

[squarecut1]

if i had $7.3 million dollars and i found out Ted two doors down had $8.2 million, i'd totally kill myself for being such a loser.

Marx understood this. Unfortunately his solution was hideous. Here in America, we are the other extreme

 

[brianmanahan]

Whenever Richard Cory went downtown,
We people on the pavement looked at him:
He was a gentleman from sole to crown,
Clean-favored, and imperially slim.

And he was always quietly arrayed,
And he was always human when he talked;
But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
"Good-morning," and he glittered when he walked.

And he was rich – yes, richer than a king –
And admirably schooled in every grace:
In fine, we thought that he was everything
To make us wish that we were in his place.

So on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without the meat, and cursed the bread;
And Richard Cory, one calm summer night,
Went home and put a bullet through his head.
--E.A. Robinson, 1897

Reportedly, not a new phenomena.

Uno

wow, this pome really puts things into perspective

thank you uno

 

[bradley]

Simon & Garfunkel - Richard Cory 1966 live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euuCiSY0qYs

 

[squarecut1]

I wonder how many suicides have been prevented by the beauty of Simon and Garfunkel music....

They don't make music like that anymore...



It's a still life water color,
Of a now late afternoon,
As the sun shines through the curtained lace
And shadows wash the room.
And we sit and drink our coffee
Couched in our indifference,
Like shells upon the shore
You can hear the ocean roar
In the dangling conversation
And the superficial sighs,
The borders of our lives.

And you read your Emily Dickinson,
And I my Robert Frost,
And we note our place with bookmarkers
That measure what we've lost.
Like a poem poorly written
We are verses out of rhythm,
Couplets out of rhyme,
In syncopated time
And the dangled conversation
And the superficial sighs,
Are the borders of our lives.

Yes, we speak of things that matter,
With words that must be said,
"Can analysis be worthwhile?"
"Is the theater really dead?"
And how the room is softly faded
And I only kiss your shadow,
I cannot feel your hand,
You're a stranger now unto me
Lost in the dangling conversation.
And the superficial sighs,
In the borders of our lives.

 

[Mai72]

It's because a lot of wealthy people don't have anything to live for. Money is nice but it's not everything.

People find life is worth living when they donate their time to charity. When they actually give something back.

 

[Mai72]

*Ding ding ding* We have a winner :thumbsup: Money can't buy legit friends or love.

I remember my uncle and aunt. They won a lawsuit 8 years ago worth millions. My aunt's sister who was a twin and living in the house with my uncle was cooking food over the stove. A little bit of grease splatter and her shirt caught fire. She suffered 2-3rd degree burns. My uncle went back to Macy's and bought the exact same shirt. The shirt wasn't fire proofed and the company used a material that was highly flammable. They sued and settled out of court for millions.

In the beginning it made them happy. After a few years their happiness turned to depression, anger and despair. Also, paranoia took hold. My uncle and aunt became paranoid at anyone they met. My uncle thought people were out to kill him for his money. My aunt distrusted everyone. They were never like this. Money made them into awful people. They were also in their late 70s and my uncle had Parkinsons disease. My aunt had major depression and was jacked on Ativan. My uncle died two years ago and my aunt is living in a very expensive nursing home.

 

[Rudee]

Robin Williams sold his last house to pay his bills. He paid like $35million in alimony. He was screwed. His show got cancelled. He was probably looking at jail time if unable to pay alimony.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...-for-husband-stuck-with-lifetime-alimony.html

Same thing for Robin Williams.

He wasn't rich anymore!

Nope: He still had plenty of money in assets.

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/celebrity/robin-williams-broke-died-lets-end-rumor-please/