I don't understand how downloading from Newsgroups and IRC still exists, or how it ever did.

[TommyVercetti]

The one thing I don't understand about Newsgroups is the ration of leechers to contributors. There are probably a million leeches on a binary newgroup, and 10-15 contributors. With this kind of a ratio, why are people still contributing? Won't they be better off just buring things on a DVD or CD and mailing it to each other? Why should I contribrute, if most people don't even bother to say thank you, and just leech away?

Another thing I don't understand about Newsgroups is how do these contributors get these really fast uploads? Most broadband providers I know don't allow much upload speeds. To upload a 1 GB movie (split into 50-70 rar files), it would probably take half a day, and slow the uploaders downloads to a crawl.

This is the same thing I don't get about IRC. I admit I don't understand IRC very well, but who is paying for the bandwidth? These bots are running on some server, with loads of bandwidth. My guess is that most people use their bandwidth at work to run them, or school.

 

[neutralizer]

Check the dates on the uploads on Newsgroups, many of them span over a day.

 

[edmicman]

what else is an edu connection good for?

 

[amnesiac]

You'd be surprised. In the bigger groups there's several contributors, and they have their own network - i.e. you scratch my back, I scratch yours, so that in one posting, a contributor will request something, and in response, someone else may fill that request, and request something new, etc.

 

[BillGates]

Lots of IRC bots are running on hacked puters. My mom's PC was serving "Die Another Day" DVDRip for a while before I found it. I got rid of all traces of the hack, the movie, and installed a router and new firewall.

I "hear" it's pretty easy to set up an IRC server in this manner, and university PCs sitting on top of a huge pipe make easy targets. 10MB for some of these places is a small drop in the bucket.

 

[neutralizer]

Originally posted by: BillGates
Lots of IRC bots are running on hacked puters. My mom's PC was serving "Die Another Day" DVDRip for a while before I found it. I got rid of all traces of the hack, the movie, and installed a router and new firewall.

I "hear" it's pretty easy to set up an IRC server in this manner, and university PCs sitting on top of a huge pipe make easy targets. 10MB for some of these places is a small drop in the bucket.

Did you keep the DVDrip ?

 

[jjessico]

Lots of IRC bots are fed from hijacked PCs with high-bandwidth connection.
Basicaly involves compromising a PC with DSL/Cable/T1, installing some sort of IRC Fserv bot, programming the bot, then using a program like FireDaemon to make the configured fserv bot into a service so it starts automatically with the pwn3d-pc.
Bam-instant IRC Fserv bot sitting on high speed.

I've run into this a fair number of times when investigating some customers "speed problems" with my company's "sucky internet service".

Jason

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: BillGates
Lots of IRC bots are running on hacked puters. My mom's PC was serving "Die Another Day" DVDRip for a while before I found it. I got rid of all traces of the hack, the movie, and installed a router and new firewall.

I "hear" it's pretty easy to set up an IRC server in this manner, and university PCs sitting on top of a huge pipe make easy targets. 10MB for some of these places is a small drop in the bucket.

So if I download from IRC, I can be accused of hacking?

 

[n0cmonkey]

Many of the IRC fserv bots I've seen have ratios built into them. Upload 3 files and download one, or probably more advanced scemes.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

Originally posted by: BillGates
Lots of IRC bots are running on hacked puters. My mom's PC was serving "Die Another Day" DVDRip for a while before I found it. I got rid of all traces of the hack, the movie, and installed a router and new firewall.

I "hear" it's pretty easy to set up an IRC server in this manner, and university PCs sitting on top of a huge pipe make easy targets. 10MB for some of these places is a small drop in the bucket.

So if I download from IRC, I can be accused of hacking?

There are enough idiots in charge out there for me to confidently say: Yes.

 

[TommyVercetti]

Originally posted by: amnesiac
You'd be surprised. In the bigger groups there's several contributors, and they have their own network - i.e. you scratch my back, I scratch yours, so that in one posting, a contributor will request something, and in response, someone else may fill that request, and request something new, etc.

Yeah I have seen that, requesting while posting. I still say that if you have such a tight network, it is probably easier to mail each other DVDs. That way you get the best quality, and no need to fiddle with codecs and what not.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti

Originally posted by: amnesiac
You'd be surprised. In the bigger groups there's several contributors, and they have their own network - i.e. you scratch my back, I scratch yours, so that in one posting, a contributor will request something, and in response, someone else may fill that request, and request something new, etc.

Yeah I have seen that, requesting while posting. I still say that if you have such a tight network, it is probably easier to mail each other DVDs. That way you get the best quality, and no need to fiddle with codecs and what not.

At a much larger expense.

 

[skace]

Newsgroups:
Yes there are a lot of leechers, but you have to realize supply and demand. The groups out there that are stealing things (whether that be tv shows, movies, games, or whatever) need methods to supply their audience. The best method is to utilize newsgroups. By using a newsgroup they can post something to their newsgroup -- with incredibly fast upload rates, and then let their newsgroup pass it on to other newsgroups using the isps bandwidth. So it doesn't really matter how many leechers are out there, because the person only really had to send it to 1 person, his isp. 1 > any number of leechers.

IRC:
Most people serve on IRC as a way of getting more. If a group of people know that you are willing to dedicate your bandwidth to serving their 'items', they will be more likely to give these items to you first. This means you will quickly have access to everything you need just for allowing people to download those items from you. Others do it because they are proud of how much they have aquired over the years.

Or so I've heard. And now you have to.

 

[BillGates]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Many of the IRC fserv bots I've seen have ratios built into them. Upload 3 files and download one, or probably more advanced scemes.

You're going to all the wrong channels, man. I've never seen an IRC bot with an upload requirement; I didn't even know they existed.

^ that's what I heard.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: BillGates

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey
Many of the IRC fserv bots I've seen have ratios built into them. Upload 3 files and download one, or probably more advanced scemes.

You're going to all the wrong channels, man. I've never seen an IRC bot with an upload requirement; I didn't even know they existed.

^ that's what I heard.

I haven't looked for any since about 1995.