I don't think this kid is getting his Xbox 360 back

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warmodder

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Originally posted by: invidia
From CNN:

Jack Thompson now blames Halo 3 for the kid's violent action. Apparently, after playing the game for several hours and possibly days, the kid has been virtually trained to be a violent soldier of death.

Well it is partially to blame--not really halo itself, but video games in general. They do seem to be kind of addictive. Granted the kid is still a dick, but you can't blame him if his parents tolerated his behavior for so long.
 

clamum

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Originally posted by: invidia
From CNN:

Jack Thompson now blames Halo 3 for the kid's violent action. Apparently, after playing the game for several hours and possibly days, the kid has been virtually trained to be a violent soldier of death.
Ahahahaha! :laugh:
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
First off, the kid didn't do this all of a sudden. I'm sure this is on on going thing that the parent/s continue to allow. There is no way my kid would even THINK about doing some sh!t like this. If he the cops did show up, it would be for me, not him. You can blame the pvssy parent/s for his behavior.

Agreed. I don't buy the "I can't discipline them because I might get in trouble" argument. I have a child and I realize that it is my responsibility and my DUTY to raise my child properly. This includes instilling discipline and responsibility....

I don't care if I face certain death for disciplining my child. I can assure you that she will never even get close to throwing a tantrum like that.


Off topic a bit: Anyone ever tell their folks they where going to call the cops on them because they where spanking you? I said that once and my mother lost her friggen mind. She said, and I quote, "You wanna call the cops you little bastard then I will give you a damned good reason to call them". Needless to say, I didn't make that mistake again.
 

jjones

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Originally posted by: Darwin333
Anyone ever tell their folks they where going to call the cops on them because they where spanking you? I said that once and my mother lost her friggen mind. She said, and I quote, "You wanna call the cops you little bastard then I will give you a damned good reason to call them". Needless to say, I didn't make that mistake again.
lol, now that's good parenting! :D

 

manowar821

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All this talk about beating the kid is fucking idiotic, but obviously the parents failed at establishing any kind of authority over him. This kid is frickin nuts.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: warmodder
Just out of curiosity, were there ever any outbursts like this over toys before video games came about? Is it just my generations sense of entitlement that creates this behavior or has it always happened? It just seems like there are so many more kids getting addicted to gaming and going totally out of control.

I don't know about toys, but it has happened over watching TV and playing music. It has probably happened with toys too. The kids that behave this way do it for the same reasons as they have always done it. It is all about how the are raised and what they are taught. Video games can have both positive and negative effects on kids just like most things in life. The only difference is that certain stories hit the media spotlight and others did not.
 

alkemyst

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This is about 15miles north of me. how old is the kid...I can't find an age anywhere on this.
 

maddogchen

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not surprised, seems like the maturity level of the people I've seen online playing halo.
 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: manowar821
All this talk about beating the kid is fucking idiotic, but obviously the parents failed at establishing any kind of authority over him. This kid is frickin nuts.

And exactly what is wrong with the tried and true method of disciplining your child?
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: manowar821
All this talk about beating the kid is fucking idiotic, but obviously the parents failed at establishing any kind of authority over him. This kid is frickin nuts.

And exactly what is wrong with the tried and true method of disciplining your child?

It not tried and true for gaining respect. It's tried and true for gaining fear, or "respect" as some people call it. It's primitive, at best, and it's the easy/lazy way out of teaching your kid to respect you.

If you have to hurt your kid to get him/her to "respect" you, you're doing something horribly wrong.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: manowar821
All this talk about beating the kid is fucking idiotic, but obviously the parents failed at establishing any kind of authority over him. This kid is frickin nuts.

And exactly what is wrong with the tried and true method of disciplining your child?

Different morals. That's what the answer boils down to. It's all subjective.

I personally do not beat my child. There is no need for me to do it, but I am not entirely against it either. His mother and I have been raising him properly and he behaves much better than most kids I meet. Other parents are typically shocked after spending a day around him.

What a lot of parents fail to do is teach their children properly what they did wrong, why it is wrong, and what to do next time by explaining it to them after the punishment has been given. That is the biggest problem. Parents often find it very easy to "punish" their children whether it be timeouts, grounding them, taking toys away, or beating them. However, all of those punishments are completely useless unless they also teach and correct their children by explaining things to them. If the kids do not learn then you failed in your lesson of discipline. That is the bottom line. If the kids keep making the same mistakes over and over no matter how much you punish them then that is a sign that you are doing something wrong.

The children fearing the punishment is not enough. They need to understand exactly why they will be punished and what the right thing is to do.
 

theknight571

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Wait until the kid gets back home and posts on here about how abusive and interfering (sp?) is parents are, and how they're ruining his life, since he can't have his XBox.

My kid knows that if he ever hit me out of anger (as opposed to messin with each other) only one of us would survive... and they most likely wouldn't let me out to attend the funeral. :p
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: manowar821
All this talk about beating the kid is fucking idiotic, but obviously the parents failed at establishing any kind of authority over him. This kid is frickin nuts.

And exactly what is wrong with the tried and true method of disciplining your child?

It not tried and true for gaining respect. It's tried and true for gaining fear, or "respect" as some people call it. It's primitive, at best, and it's the easy/lazy way out of teaching your kid to respect you.

If you have to hurt your kid to get him/her to "respect" you, you're doing something horribly wrong.

Most asian kids and parents would beg to differ. It's to tell you "you fucked up" and not do it again.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: NeuroSynapsis
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: manowar821
All this talk about beating the kid is fucking idiotic, but obviously the parents failed at establishing any kind of authority over him. This kid is frickin nuts.

And exactly what is wrong with the tried and true method of disciplining your child?

It not tried and true for gaining respect. It's tried and true for gaining fear, or "respect" as some people call it. It's primitive, at best, and it's the easy/lazy way out of teaching your kid to respect you.

If you have to hurt your kid to get him/her to "respect" you, you're doing something horribly wrong.

Most asian kids and parents would beg to differ. It's to tell you "you fucked up" and not do it again.

Yeah, okay. Here's what happens when you hit kids to teach them a lesson. They fear you. There is no respect there. The moment they're convinced you're not watching, they're going to do whatever they like.
 

InflatableBuddha

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: manowar821
All this talk about beating the kid is fucking idiotic, but obviously the parents failed at establishing any kind of authority over him. This kid is frickin nuts.

And exactly what is wrong with the tried and true method of disciplining your child?

Different morals. That's what the answer boils down to. It's all subjective.

I personally do not beat my child. There is no need for me to do it, but I am not entirely against it either. His mother and I have been raising him properly and he behaves much better than most kids I meet. Other parents are typically shocked after spending a day around him.

What a lot of parents fail to do is teach their children properly what they did wrong, why it is wrong, and what to do next time by explaining it to them after the punishment has been given. That is the biggest problem. Parents often find it very easy to "punish" their children whether it be timeouts, grounding them, taking toys away, or beating them. However, all of those punishments are completely useless unless they also teach and correct their children by explaining things to them. If the kids do not learn then you failed in your lesson of discipline. That is the bottom line. If the kids keep making the same mistakes over and over no matter how much you punish them then that is a sign that you are doing something wrong.

The children fearing the punishment is not enough. They need to understand exactly why they will be punished and what the right thing is to do.

I agree that punishment is useless unless the child understands what was done wrong, and learns from it. However, I think there is not enough positive reinforcement in parenting nowadays.

I certainly had a few spankings as a child when I fucked up, and I learned my lesson. However, I was also rewarded for good behaviour (and I don't mean money for good grades, etc.) - positive comments, hugs, high-fives, etc. when I did a good job with chores or schoolwork. There needs to be a balance between rewards and punishments.

 

Darwin333

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: manowar821
All this talk about beating the kid is fucking idiotic, but obviously the parents failed at establishing any kind of authority over him. This kid is frickin nuts.

And exactly what is wrong with the tried and true method of disciplining your child?

It not tried and true for gaining respect. It's tried and true for gaining fear, or "respect" as some people call it. It's primitive, at best, and it's the easy/lazy way out of teaching your kid to respect you.

If you have to hurt your kid to get him/her to "respect" you, you're doing something horribly wrong.

My parents spanked me when I did wrong but it had nothing to do with gaining "respect". It was a punishment for something I did wrong and it worked. I also didn't "fear" my parents. I did however "fear" the consequences of doing wrong. Huge difference.
 

RagingBITCH

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Really, this is a case of the parents not disciplining the child correctly to begin with. Sure the kid is a jackass, but the parents should have raised him better. Where was the dad when the kid hit his mom in the face anyway? I would have thrown that kid threw a wall if he did that.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: InflatableBuddha

I agree that punishment is useless unless the child understands what was done wrong, and learns from it. However, I think there is not enough positive reinforcement in parenting nowadays.

I certainly had a few spankings as a child when I fucked up, and I learned my lesson. However, I was also rewarded for good behaviour (and I don't mean money for good grades, etc.) - positive comments, hugs, high-fives, etc. when I did a good job with chores or schoolwork. There needs to be a balance between rewards and punishments.

That is absolutely true. A lot of parents just punish when the kids do something wrong. They forget that it is just as important if not more important to praise and reward them when they do something right. It's important to "pretend" to make a big deal out of it sometimes when they do the right thing and they come up to tell you about it. I am guilty of not doing this enough myself, but my SO more than makes up for it. We are a good team :)

 

clamum

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Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: manowar821
All this talk about beating the kid is fucking idiotic, but obviously the parents failed at establishing any kind of authority over him. This kid is frickin nuts.

And exactly what is wrong with the tried and true method of disciplining your child?

It not tried and true for gaining respect. It's tried and true for gaining fear, or "respect" as some people call it. It's primitive, at best, and it's the easy/lazy way out of teaching your kid to respect you.

If you have to hurt your kid to get him/her to "respect" you, you're doing something horribly wrong.

My parents spanked me when I did wrong but it had nothing to do with gaining "respect". It was a punishment for something I did wrong and it worked. I also didn't "fear" my parents. I did however "fear" the consequences of doing wrong. Huge difference.
Yeah same here. I was spanked sometimes when I f'ed up and was taught why it was wrong and not to do it again. It worked. And I have nothing but respect for my parents... they're fucking awesome.
 

BKLounger

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Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: warmodd
Just out of curiosity, were there ever any outbursts like this over toys before video games came about? Is it just my generations sense of entitlement that creates this behavior or has it always happened? It just seems like there are so many more kids getting addicted to gaming and going totally out of control.

Sure. In most cases it isn't really about the game/toy. Its about how far parents will allow their children to go. I have seen 12 year old girls act almost as bad because they got their cell phones taken away.

Point in case: There is no way in hell I would have been allowed to go that far if threw a fit when I was a child. The moment I started tearing up the house looking for something my folks took away from me.... shit, my dad woulda beat my ass until his hand hurt then my mom would "tag" in and beat me until her hand hurt. Punch my mother???? You gotta be kidding me. I wouldn't be typing this message if I had done such a thing.

Like someone else above me said, I called my mother a name one time. My father made sure that I Never even considered doing that again.


I never ever laid a hand on my mother but I did call her a name once and that was the day I learned I was capable of flying. My a$$ never stepped out of line again after that day. I believe in good behavior through fear. It works wonders.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: BKLounger
Originally posted by: Darwin333
Originally posted by: warmodd
Just out of curiosity, were there ever any outbursts like this over toys before video games came about? Is it just my generations sense of entitlement that creates this behavior or has it always happened? It just seems like there are so many more kids getting addicted to gaming and going totally out of control.

Sure. In most cases it isn't really about the game/toy. Its about how far parents will allow their children to go. I have seen 12 year old girls act almost as bad because they got their cell phones taken away.

Point in case: There is no way in hell I would have been allowed to go that far if threw a fit when I was a child. The moment I started tearing up the house looking for something my folks took away from me.... shit, my dad woulda beat my ass until his hand hurt then my mom would "tag" in and beat me until her hand hurt. Punch my mother???? You gotta be kidding me. I wouldn't be typing this message if I had done such a thing.

Like someone else above me said, I called my mother a name one time. My father made sure that I Never even considered doing that again.


I never ever laid a hand on my mother but I did call her a name once and that was the day I learned I was capable of flying. My a$$ never stepped out of line again after that day. I believe in good behavior through fear. It works wonders.


A little fear is fine, but it's not enough since it doesn't teach anything. See my above posts.