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i dont overlock anymore because it outdated

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samanthatang0

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i underclock. throttle speed down to save power and run cooler. setting,power and sleep, additional power setting.
it no longer about speed it about efficiency
i no longer use desktop obsolete
i use laptop
mobile pc
winddws 10 '4gb of ram and 32 essd hdd, built in camera and microphone.
hp stream 14.. cheap 100 refurbish on ebay or 200 new at walmart
 
samanthatang0 said:
i underclock. throttle speed down to save power and run cooler. setting,power and sleep, additional power setting.
it no longer about speed it about efficiency
i no longer use desktop obsolete
i use laptop
mobile pc
winddws 10 '4gb of ram and 32 essd hdd, built in camera and microphone.
hp stream 14.. cheap 100 refurbish on ebay or 200 new at walmart
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Who cares?
 
Unpopular opinion? I haven't overclocked in years, mostly due to lack of necessity. That extra 10% I could get doesn't really do many any good in actual use. I keep my gaming rig stock clocks but my laptop I don't underclock specifically but I do limit my cpu/gpu throttle through registry to keep my battery life, cooler laptop and mostly so I don't have to hear the fan kick on and off every few minutes.
 
I don't currently overclock my Ryzen 1600. Largely because I don't currently do anything useful with it. I OCed when I encoded a lot. I still encode but now it gets done when it gets done.

However, I think it's awesome people still do OC and take this stuff seriously! I vicariously live through you.
 
Speak for yourself. I'll fight you tooth and nail for one extra Mhz, or to shave an extra cycle or two from my RAM latency 😉

Tweaking and optimizing are often the most frustrating, and most fun part of building your own PC.
 
I undervolted too, to have sporadic closing of apps or hanging web browser tabs. It was either the SOC or CPU voltage having an offset too low. So i put back 2 steps in a negative offset and voila. Fully stable now. Yes it's more fun. The XFR/PB feature on a ryzen works just magic. You dont need manual OC'ing these days anymore. The XFR itself once properly cooled will boost the CPU to highest possible state. The days of the FX are over here, where i actually needed every bit of performance out of it. And yeah, that FX platform was fun!
 
The behavior that puzzles me is people who will debate and fixate on price/performance of CPUs and GPUs to the difference of <$50 even.

Yet at the same time be willing to spend $100 (or more) on extra on the motherboard, cooling, much more expensive AiB custom video cards or other ancillary components such high speed binned memory to eek out an extra 5% performance via overclocking.
 
Both Intel and AMD seem to be leaving so little overclocking headroom on many of their chips, I've pretty much given up hope of overclocking my next CPU, as I don't want to deal with the heat and power issues.

Currently I am using an i5 3570K, which runs at 3.4GHz stock, but I have overclocked it to 4.0GHz(and wasn't interested in taking it beyond that) and it everything is great with that, but an easy 17.5% overclock is largely a thing of the past now, IMHO.
 
I overclock if it makes enough difference without negative points. Stock 3770K vs. 4,4 GHz is rather large difference.
 
Undervolting is the new overclocking. Classic overclocking is made obsolete by the lack of overclocking headroom in new chips. Today's chips by both manufacturers make a good effort using turbo/boost speeds efficiently, pushing the cores to the max possible frequency when in use and back into sleep state when idle. Undervolting is indeed one of the last areas where manual tuning can still make a big-ish difference in increasing efficiency.
 
moinmoin said:
Undervolting is the new overclocking. Classic overclocking is made obsolete by the lack of overclocking headroom in new chips. Today's chips by both manufacturers make a good effort using turbo/boost speeds efficiently, pushing the cores to the max possible frequency when in use and back into sleep state when idle. Undervolting is indeed one of the last areas where manual tuning can still make a big-ish difference in increasing efficiency.
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Yes and no.

The R7 2700x is an example of what you mention. Virtually nobody can get the 2700x to run all-core speeds higher than 4.35 GHz, and when they try, it becomes a monster of power consumption. Part of the problem is the 12nm process, but let's not get too far afield.

If you look at what a 2700x does with good cooling, it rarely boosts beyond 4.0-4.1GHz all-core turbo even with PBO2/XFR enabled. So shooting for 4.3 GHz all cores has a clear advantage if you are pegging all cores at 100% in something like a DC application and have the cooling and VRMs to handle the beastly power draw of hitting that clockspeed and staying there at full load, all day long. But for gaming, or something that may not use all cores all the time, a 2700x that is relying on boost (instead of a static overclock) can hit speeds of 4.3 GHz or higher on 1-2 cores, at least for a bit. Producing maybe higher performance in said game/application. So it's really down to what you are doing, even on a 2700x. There are situations where it is clearly better to do it the old-fashioned way and settle in on a static overclock. There are other situations where relying on boost is better.

I think with Matisse, we will see a return to static overclocks for maximum performance. AMD has advertised that PBO + XFR will get you maybe 200 MHz more than the max listed boost clock if you have very good cooling. So, for example, 4.8 GHz on at least a few cores from a 3800x. Can a 3800x go higher than that? Maybe. We don't know yet. But I think the potential is there to at least hit 4.8 GHz all cores static . . . assuming you can cool the thing while doing so. Boost won't hold a candle to that kind of performance in a wide selection of applications. It'll chew up a lot more power that way, though.
 
CHADBOGA said:
Both Intel and AMD seem to be leaving so little overclocking headroom on many of their chips, I've pretty much given up hope of overclocking my next CPU, as I don't want to deal with the heat and power issues.
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12/16 cores in the same TDP could mean that clocks are limited by heat instead of whatever it is that limits Zen 1/1+, so maybe they have more headroom once the thermal limit is removed.

OTOH, they only got to ~5.3ghz on LN2, so maybe not.
 
If you undervolt, wouldn't that affect the idle performance and voltage as well? Since undervolting means having the BIOS set to constantly deliver a set voltage to the CPU. Right? Or am I horribly outdated with the overclocking and undervolting world?
 
Compared to the good old days, CPUs and especially GPUs overclock themselves now according to manufacturer power and temperature limits. Manual overclocking is mostly just pushing these limits more.

I just replaced my desktop system's i7 2600k with a bottom-end i5 9400f, specifically so that there would not be any overclocking. No more messing with core voltages, AIO water coolers, or stability testing. Even under Prime95 AVX load the hottest core only reaches 56C. Fortunately it's still so much faster than my old machine that I don't feel like I'm missing out.
 
Overclocking is not outdated, its now even part of the CPU design, so if anything, its the future.

While you may not overclock, and undervolt, it certainly is NOT outdated.
 
My 8700K is overclocked to 5GHz, and isn't outdated by any means. I've never OC any of the laptops I've used. I just ordered a Razer Blade 15 laptop about an hour ago, and it should be a beast! I won't try to overclock it, but I may try to undervolt it, as doing so should help keep it cool.
 
geokilla said:
If you undervolt, wouldn't that affect the idle performance and voltage as well? Since undervolting means having the BIOS set to constantly deliver a set voltage to the CPU. Right? Or am I horribly outdated with the overclocking and undervolting world?
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You can still undervolt and have the cpu downclock at idle. I undervolt both my cpu and GPU, they both drop down to lower voltages and clockspeeds when not in use.
 
CHADBOGA said:
Both Intel and AMD seem to be leaving so little overclocking headroom on many of their chips, I've pretty much given up hope of overclocking my next CPU, as I don't want to deal with the heat and power issues.

Currently I am using an i5 3570K, which runs at 3.4GHz stock, but I have overclocked it to 4.0GHz(and wasn't interested in taking it beyond that) and it everything is great with that, but an easy 17.5% overclock is largely a thing of the past now, IMHO.
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That's too bad, sandy/ive were great OCers. Do a delid and going from stock to 4.8/5ghz was a nice boost. Usually 4.4-4.5 were pretty easy to get with no modification.
 
Furious_Styles said:
That's too bad, sandy/ive were great OCers. Do a delid and going from stock to 4.8/5ghz was a nice boost. Usually 4.4-4.5 were pretty easy to get with no modification.
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Even though this notion will seem quite outdated now, I was just happy to have 4 cores at 4Ghz and didn't want to push on to 4.5+Ghz.

I also want my next update to be at least 8 cores at 5GHz. 😛
 
guachi said:
I shed a tear remembering the pencil trick on my Athlon 900 to OC it.
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Overclocked the 6502 in my Apple ][e by soldering a new clock crystal in. Which made many games unplayable, since they relied on the clock frequency... So I made a small daughterboard, with both the original crystal, and the faster one on it that I could toggle back and forth between the two.
 
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