I don't like doctors

[EmperorIQ]

Every doctor that I have ever been to, as a kid, whenever I'm sick, they don't really take care of me, i've notice that they find ways to get me to come back for another check-up. I swear its always been the same drill. Here are some anti biotics, come back in a week. I refuse to go to the doctors now because I think I can heal just fine without them, over the counter medicine is fine by me!

One time, i went snowboarding, and ended up twisting my knee 90 degrees, i heard 3 cracks, and one loud one when it popped back. I went to a doctor for this, and she told me "you look fine, give it a week and come back" what the hell? I now have pain in my knee that comes back whenever I do any heavy excercising =\.

does anyone here ever feel that a lot of doctors out there are just there for the money? I'm not talking about surgeons, but your regular family clinic doctor. I'm also not saying all, but a lot.

 

[deejayshakur]

chiropractors are far worse. they get training in 'practice management', in other words, how to best retain customers for repeat business. (flame me)

let me suggest looking into osteopathic physicians (D.O.'s). in general, they are more willing to listen to patients, treating the patient holistically and not just throw drugs at the symptoms. allopathic medicine has changed a lot in the recent decades and managed care isn't exactly helping. also, doctors have become used to patients expecting a prescription to written everytime they come in for a visit, hence the term 'three-fingered doctor'. us osteopaths (though i am still a student) like to say that we are the only ten-fingered doctors around.

for your knee, as with all things, get a second opinion. and like all professions, you have good ones and you have bad ones.

 

[TwiceOver]

Last time I visited my doctor he said "Come back if it feels worse" I was like "WTF" it didn't, so I never went back.

 

[chrisms]

I scraped my knee as a kid and was on antibiotics for a week or two. Thinking about it now I realize how pointless that was.

I broke my arm once, also as a kid, pretty badly. I tried to keep it still for a few weeks and finally went to the doctor for it. They told me I was lucky it healed right and sent me on my way.

 

[CraigRT]

my doctor is nothing but an overpaid loser... i hate him.. he doesn't do ANYTHING for my dad who has had ongoing health problems for the last year and a bit..

he basically told him at one point literally that "you may just have to live with the pain"

:middlefingericon;

to me, that's something you can get punched in the face for, but the prick had the nerve to say it to my father... my dad was not happy about it either, and i almost flipped out when he told me... so angry going into his office and knowing how overpaid he is, seeing he has the IQ of the stethoscope around his neck.. :|

now you will just have to trust me, my perceptions of this guy are not just from this 1 time, they are from years of for some reason repeat visits... i'm not going there anymore after this recent problem though. pathetic.

 

[cmp1223]

Well you guys better apply ro medical school or not get hurt or contract a disease or your sh*t outta luck!

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

You've made me see the light. Doctors are worthless. I think we should ban doctors from practicing for a year and show them that we don't need them! I'm also withdrawing from medical school. It's completely worthless, and I won't ever save a trauma victim or save someone's life when they have ARF. All they want is money!

There are good doctors and bad doctors, just like every profession, but go ahead, apply your generalizations.

 

[bob4432]

unfortunately i am not one of those healthy people and see my family doctor, a neurologist, a endocronologist and a psychologist quite often - the family dr every 2-3mos, the neurgologist every 1 1/2 mos the endo every 6-12mos and the psych every 1-2 weeks. also have had to use a orthopedic surgeon for emergency surgery, damn rollerblades...

after "trying on" about 35 doctors in the past 10 years, i finally have some that kick ass. don't flame all docs because some are pretty bad, and yes i have been told by many that i "may have to learn to live with the pain" but i just change and file compaints with the appropriated agency if needed.

 

[deejayshakur]

you want to read about some horrific stuff 10000000x worse than these complaints, read some medical history from the early 1700s to the 1950s. bloodletting, administering mercury, among other substances, amputating without sterile technique... we've got it good, guys.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: deejayshakur
you want to read about some horrific stuff 10000000x worse than these complaints, read some medical history from the early 1700s to the 1950s. bloodletting, administering mercury, among other substances, amputating without sterile technique... we've got it good, guys.

i think some of the docs i have seen were schooled that way

 

[CycloWizard]

One thing I don't think many people realize is that doctors do what they can, but what they can do is severely limited by the knowledge we have of the human body and diseases. Even if they're fully knowledgeable regarding all known remedies and diagnoses, they won't necessarily be able to help you or even tell you what your problem is. The knowledge base for doctors is ridiculously enormous - think of trying to memorize the dosage, side effects, and utilities of every drug on the market. Also try to remember all your patients' histories (even their names) when you have 5,000 or so.

Despite the vast knowledge stores that doctors have, it's really very little compared to what you might think. I didn't realize the extent of the lack of knowledge until I started working in medical research. For example, there is still a huge ongoing controversy on how the eye focuses and why it loses its ability to focus as people age. You would think something like this should obviously be known, but it's not as simple as people think (which is why I get to write a PhD thesis on it ). Many problems will be more well defined in the next 10-20 years as a result of modern research techniques, but it will be even longer before we can actually do much about fixing them. Give the docs a break and consider what they must think of their patients.

 

[bob4432]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard
One thing I don't think many people realize is that doctors do what they can, but what they can do is severely limited by the knowledge we have of the human body and diseases. Even if they're fully knowledgeable regarding all known remedies and diagnoses, they won't necessarily be able to help you or even tell you what your problem is. The knowledge base for doctors is ridiculously enormous - think of trying to memorize the dosage, side effects, and utilities of every drug on the market. Also try to remember all your patients' histories (even their names) when you have 5,000 or so.

Despite the vast knowledge stores that doctors have, it's really very little compared to what you might think. I didn't realize the extent of the lack of knowledge until I started working in medical research. For example, there is still a huge ongoing controversy on how the eye focuses and why it loses its ability to focus as people age. You would think something like this should obviously be known, but it's not as simple as people think (which is why I get to write a PhD thesis on it ). Many problems will be more well defined in the next 10-20 years as a result of modern research techniques, but it will be even longer before we can actually do much about fixing them. Give the docs a break and consider what they must think of their patients.

i would have to agree as my family doc has a phd in anatomy and phsyiology and was a professor for a medical school for 10years before going to school to get his md. he is an excellent doctor, very rare.

 

[her34]

"Doctors are men who prescribe medicines of which they know little, to cure diseases of which they know less in human beings of whom they know nothing." -- Voltaire

 

[axelfox]

10 bux for a finger splint!

 

[deejayshakur]

how's washu, cyclowizard? they accepted me for undergrad but i ended up staying in sunny california. and while i'm here, medical school too.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: deejayshakur
how's washu, cyclowizard? they accepted me for undergrad but i ended up staying in sunny california. and while i'm here, medical school too.

It's not so bad, as long as you aren't paying for it (like $40k/year for undergrad ). They're paying me to be here, so I can't complain. Very good med school and biomed engineering.

 

[lokiju]

My last doctor I had was great, he didn't like to give me a prescription unless it was needed, and always suggest natural methods of find a fix rather than a pill, but of course since he was honest and a very good doctor, he retired and I'm now without a doctor who I can put my trust in.

 

[SagaLore]

I have the same opinion about doctors, but for different reasons.

I am a naturopath, believe in chiropractic care, and that yeast/fungus can live inside the body.

There are very few doctors I can have a discussion with. Most of the doctors I have had make quick assumptions based on stereotypical facts that can do more harm than good.

Surgeons certainly earn my respect though.

 

[SagaLore]

Originally posted by: deejayshakur
chiropractors are far worse. they get training in 'practice management', in other words, how to best retain customers for repeat business. (flame me)

let me suggest looking into osteopathic physicians (D.O.'s). in general, they are more willing to listen to patients, treating the patient holistically and not just throw drugs at the symptoms.

It depends on the chiropractor. I've been too very bad chiropractors who simply rely on the "drop table" method of adjustments and X-Rays. They also try to convince you to schedule appointments with them for preventive maintenance.

A good chiropractor will not need an x-ray to determine if you need an adjustment. A good chiropractor will be able to diagnoze problems not just with your skeleton, but with organs and glandular imbalances as well. A good chiropractor will be able to use the applied kinesiology technique (something that doctor's will claim as a fake trick).

Good suggestion on the D.O., I will keep that in mind next time we switch doctors.

 

[spidey07]

I think you just haven't found the right doctor.

doctor, lawyer, mechanic - find a good one and keep 'em.

I'm lucky, I have a great doctor.

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
It depends on the chiropractor. I've been too very bad chiropractors who simply rely on the "drop table" method of adjustments and X-Rays. They also try to convince you to schedule appointments with them for preventive maintenance.

A good chiropractor will not need an x-ray to determine if you need an adjustment. A good chiropractor will be able to diagnoze problems not just with your skeleton, but with organs and glandular imbalances as well. A good chiropractor will be able to use the applied kinesiology technique (something that doctor's will claim as a fake trick).

Good suggestion on the D.O., I will keep that in mind next time we switch doctors.

AK is a "fake trick." Here are a few resources for you to look at, as I actually have research to back up my viewpoint.

1.) Applied kinesiology nutritional testing. In Walther DS. Applied Kinesiology: Synopsis. Pueblo, Colorado: Systems DC, 1988, p 135.
2.) Kenny JJ, Clemens R, Forsythe KD. Applied kinesiology unreliable for assessing nutrient status. Journal of the American Dietetic Association 88:698-704, 1988.
3.) Triano JJ. Muscle strength testing as a diagnostic screen for supplemental nutrition therapy: a blind study. Journal of Manipulative and Physiological Therapeutics 5:179-182, 1982
4.) Applied kinesiology - Double-blind pilot study. Journal of Prosthetic Dentistry 45:321-323, 1981.

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: deejayshakur
chiropractors are far worse. they get training in 'practice management', in other words, how to best retain customers for repeat business. (flame me)

let me suggest looking into osteopathic physicians (D.O.'s). in general, they are more willing to listen to patients, treating the patient holistically and not just throw drugs at the symptoms. allopathic medicine has changed a lot in the recent decades and managed care isn't exactly helping. also, doctors have become used to patients expecting a prescription to written everytime they come in for a visit, hence the term 'three-fingered doctor'. us osteopaths (though i am still a student) like to say that we are the only ten-fingered doctors around.

for your knee, as with all things, get a second opinion. and like all professions, you have good ones and you have bad ones.

CHIROPRACTORS ARE NOT DOCTORS!!

 

[SacrosanctFiend]

Originally posted by: Toasthead
CHIROPRACTORS ARE NOT DOCTORS!!

Yea, they are. Doctors of Chiropractic. Worthless people, IMHO, but doctors nonetheless.

 

[deejayshakur]

Originally posted by: Toasthead

CHIROPRACTORS ARE NOT DOCTORS!!

i too must correct you. they are not doctors in the 'physician and surgeon' sense, but they are indeed called 'chiropractors' or 'chiropractic PHYSICIANS'. (check the bureau of labor and statistics). as much as i hate to admit that because i believe that only full 'physicians and surgeons' (which are only MD's and DO's in the united states) should be called 'doctor', chiropractors are technically 'doctors' as are 'PhDs' and 'EdDs', etc. there've been a lot of legal battles with chiro's trying to expand their scope of practice, just like nurse practitioners. ugh.

bet you guys didn't know of a recent nursing degree (sagalore, you will be thoroughly pissed off): you can now get an advaned nursing practice degree, known as the 'doctor of nursing', aka ND. so do your call your nurse 'nurse' or 'doctor'?? naturopaths are also granted 4 year ND degrees (if i'm not mistaken).

one more thing for sagalore, is that chiropractic is simply a renegade field that came out of osteopathic medicine (too lazy to post link, but check the medical history). so if you believe in chiropractic care, a DO has a lot more to offer you in terms of manipulative techniques, being able to prescribe drugs, and most likely ARE covered under your insurance (i don't think most chiropractic care is). if you're in penn as your profile says, you shouldn't have a problem finding a DO as they are much more prevalent on the east coast compared to the west (where i am). although DO's make up only 5% of physician and surgeon's, they account for about 10% of patient visits (in many rural areas where MD's choose not to practice).

 

[StageLeft]

Some doctors just suck. Some b*tch of a woman once prescribed me antibiotics for an ingrown toenail. I showed it to her, it was grossly ingrown, and she just gave me antibiotics saying "These probably won't fix it, but give it a go." No f**king sh*t they won't fix it, unless they can melt away nails, you filthy whore. So anyway, then I went to a real doctor and he did what anybody with a brain would have done, which was cut away the nail. In the future I just did it myself! Silly hoe!