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"I don't blame people for being afraid of muslims based on what they see on tv"

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I just heard some woman say this on NPR as a preview to a segment where I'm guessing they'll do an interview with her.

All I can say is :roll: Anyone who associates your everyday arab/muslim with those associated with 9-11/London bombings/acts of extremists is either completely ignorant, bigoted, or..dumb?
 
"Anyone who associates your everyday arab/muslim with those associated with 9-11/London bombings/acts of extremists is either completely ignorant, bigoted, or..dumb?"

chalk it up to our sinful human nature
 
i blame people for being afraid of muslims based on what they see on tv because they are so god damned ignorant and unworldly!
 
The human brain is designed to make associations and it is near impossible not to make them.

What is to be gained by blaming people for being human. It can be hoped, however, that just because we programmed animals, we can step back and rise above that.

To jump at the sight of a snake has adaptive advantage. To jump off a cliff at the sight of a snake is not very productive.

It is vital, I think, to profile and stereotype without the attendant prejudice. To hate a snake because it's venom can kill you is childish. All that matters is not getting bit.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The human brain is designed to make associations and it is near impossible not to make them.

What is to be gained by blaming people for being human. It can be hoped, however, that just because we programmed animals, we can step back and rise above that.

To jump at the sight of a snake has adaptive advantage. To jump off a cliff at the sight of a snake is not very productive.

It is vital, I think, to profile and stereotype without the attendant prejudice. To hate a snake because it's venom can kill you is childish. All that matters is not getting bit.
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the fact that we are capable of controlling ourselves that's what... Have you never stood up to a bully, or stared down a dog?
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The human brain is designed to make associations and it is near impossible not to make them.

What is to be gained by blaming people for being human. It can be hoped, however, that just because we programmed animals, we can step back and rise above that.

To jump at the sight of a snake has adaptive advantage. To jump off a cliff at the sight of a snake is not very productive.

It is vital, I think, to profile and stereotype without the attendant prejudice. To hate a snake because it's venom can kill you is childish. All that matters is not getting bit.
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the fact that we are capable of controlling ourselves that's what... Have you never stood up to a bully, or stared down a dog?
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Ah, so you have a habit, have you, of stereotyping some people as bullies and some animals as dogs. Now that's what I call using your powers of association. Congratulations on the autonomic functioning of your mind. 😉

Just don't stare down every dog or stand up to every person you meet, please.
 
When you see a person get his head cut off in the name of Ala that kinda puts a bad face on the whole religion. Mabie we need more stories about how muslims crack down on there own hate groups.

Sadly it can be said that many of the killers and bombers could be considered every day Muslims (look at London bombers) the ones that are quite seem to do the best killing.

Its hard to kill some one when you got the CIA on your tail so best not make a seen and blend right in makes the rest of us paranoid.

Muslim communities have to police there own for hate speech and radical intentions really only way.

till that its wach your back infedial. (aka me)
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
The human brain is designed to make associations and it is near impossible not to make them.

What is to be gained by blaming people for being human. It can be hoped, however, that just because we programmed animals, we can step back and rise above that.

To jump at the sight of a snake has adaptive advantage. To jump off a cliff at the sight of a snake is not very productive.

It is vital, I think, to profile and stereotype without the attendant prejudice. To hate a snake because it's venom can kill you is childish. All that matters is not getting bit.
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the fact that we are capable of controlling ourselves that's what... Have you never stood up to a bully, or stared down a dog?
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Ah, so you have a habit, have you, of stereotyping some people as bullies and some animals as dogs. Now that's what I call using your powers of association. Congratulations on the autonomic functioning of your mind. 😉

Just don't stare down every dog or stand up to every person you meet, please.
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all i'm saying is that one of our unique adaptations that has helped us survive and thrive is that we don't act on every animal impulse we have. yes they are there, it's what we do with it that is important. and that means understanding that while some people of a group mean you harm, it does not mean that all of said group do. i'm not white, but have seen people i'd otherwise respect reacte to me like i was an animal. it's not a nice feeling.
 
KKK : Christianity"
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Poor analogy.

At one point (actually two) the KKK was actually VERY popular is some sections of the nation. Very similar to moden terrorism, the groups would infilitrate all levels of society - and while being normal daily, were members of a hate sect secretly. So yes, there was a time when a decent percentage of Christian were part of the KKK or associated. Probably about the same amount of Muslims that are willing to take their views to the extreme.

The solution to the KKK was three fold. Massive government interaction and infiltration as well as recognition by the church that these actions were not acceptable. Churches eventually became safe zones for Southern blacks (with some notable exceptions) leading to the deeply religious Southern black community of today.

In this case, Christianity did what Islam needs to do today. The stood by for too long before they reigned in their followers. Christianity was suffering for them same problams Islam is for a long time.
 
Perhaps that poor woman needs to live in Dearborn, MI...which is about 10 minutes from me, to those who dont know, it's the largest concentration of Arabic and Chaldeans outside the middle east and I can tell you most of them are followers of Islam. And I have no problem with them, most of them are fairly nice people, and they do have some d@mn good food, all I have to say is La Shish, look it up on Google, great restaurant, but perhaps I'm an exception to the rule since I've lived around it my whole life and thus have no reason to associate 'all muslims as extremist' or anything ignorant like that
 
Some parts of the country were are very homogenous. The Muslims they see on TV are the only ones they ever see.

 
Originally posted by: eilute
Some parts of the country were are very homogenous. The Muslims they see on TV are the only ones they ever see.
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Sadly you are right. Around here ther are Indians (from India), and they tell me they hate being called Mexicans. Seems many of the people just lump you into White, Mexican, and Black, without a care.
 
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: eilute
Some parts of the country were are very homogenous. The Muslims they see on TV are the only ones they ever see.
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Sadly you are right. Around here ther are Indians (from India), and they tell me they hate being called Mexicans. Seems many of the people just lump you into White, Mexican, and Black, without a care.
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That is true but sometimes we think our areas are homogenous when they aren't, for example the three counties in and around Detroit, which are Wayne, Oakland and Macomb, some 450+ languages are spoken, so yes it's easy to generalize, but I swear people that dont like Muslims bring them to Dearborn, they'll leave with a changed attitude!
 
I can see the fear. As a Group Muslims often stick together and do not assimilated into the American culture. They cling to their culture and their values. It is like they are trying to create an island inside the USA but they often segregate themselves from the rest of America.

One big problem is that often terrorists are recruited inside of these segregated religious groups inside their mosque. Their nature and culture create this us<>them culture. Also some muslims may give aid to these terrorist groups becase they feel they are from their homeland. They are like no other group and I dont blame anyone for fearing them. I don't know if I could ever trust a Muslim. In many cultures like in Spain they become unhappy in their motherland and then they decide to use force to take over the country. They are a very dangerous culture.
 
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Originally posted by: eilute
Some parts of the country were are very homogenous. The Muslims they see on TV are the only ones they ever see.
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Sadly you are right. Around here ther are Indians (from India), and they tell me they hate being called Mexicans. Seems many of the people just lump you into White, Mexican, and Black, without a care.
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That is true but sometimes we think our areas are homogenous when they aren't, for example the three counties in and around Detroit, which are Wayne, Oakland and Macomb, some 450+ languages are spoken, so yes it's easy to generalize, but I swear people that dont like Muslims bring them to Dearborn, they'll leave with a changed attitude!
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you're absolutely right. if we got out and met our neighbors we'd realize that the world is not full of people out to get us. my area isn't homogenous, but if you go to the schools, and city council meetings, operas, plays, concerts, etc. you'd definately think it was. I have to confront the quieter more polite racism all the time.
 
Originally posted by: piasabird
I can see the fear. As a Group Muslims often stick together and do not assimilated into the American culture. They cling to their culture and their values. It is like they are trying to create an island inside the USA but they often segregate themselves from the rest of America.

One big problem is that often terrorists are recruited inside of these segregated religious groups inside their mosque. Their nature and culture create this us<>them culture. Also some muslims may give aid to these terrorist groups becase they feel they are from their homeland. They are like no other group and I dont blame anyone for fearing them. I don't know if I could ever trust a Muslim. In many cultures like in Spain they become unhappy in their motherland and then they decide to use force to take over the country. They are a very dangerous culture.
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I'll repeat what I said above, how about you come to Dearborn for a few weeks, they arent dangerous, and while you are right about the recruiting inside mosques and such you are wrong about resisting culture, while the first generation might resist culture in some ways, their children certainly do not, well in religion only, they retain their strong religion, one of my best friends at university is Muslim and she reguarly frequents the night clubs and can win a hot body contest any night of the week(and usually does), but her faith is really strong, otherwise her clothing, and her thoughts of culture are very similar to most 20 something year old americans
 
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