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zinfamous

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It will come out, eventually. It may not happen until we have a new president, sad to say.

And this is the problem. Congress has legal authority and power to compel this information to be brought to the proper channels immediately. They need to be arresting motherfuckers yesterday. It really is no other way.

Force the dickless fascists in the admin to directly challenge Congress's power to arrest them. Make the GOP defend this treason. Make them do it publicly.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

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They're just repeating what Bill Weld has been saying. He's Trump's opponent in the primary.

Weld needs to STFU. Trump is in no way guilty of Treason with a "T". Enough to get him locked up for the rest of his natural life? Probably, but nothing for which there is a death sentence.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I'm afraid all of this will get dropped just like all the investigtions that should've been launched in Dick Cheney. I'm afraid the dems will fear looking like they are going after their political enemies and drop it all.

Of course and the apologists will line up to defend Pelosi if she doesn't act. Just wait and see.
 

fskimospy

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Trump has now admitted he had aid to Ukraine withheld. (he is now blaming Europe for this, lol) So we have him both admitting to repeatedly pressuring the Ukrainian president to investigate his political enemies while illegally withholding vital military aid to them.

We should all remember though that even if he didn't withhold a single penny of aid the request for Ukraine to investigate Biden should lead to immediate impeachment ALL BY ITSELF.
 
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UNCjigga

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Trump has now admitted he had aid to Ukraine withheld. (he is now blaming Europe for this, lol) So we have him both admitting to repeatedly pressuring the Ukrainian president to investigate his political enemies while illegally withholding vital military aid to them.

We should all remember though that even if he didn't withhold a single penny of aid the request for Ukraine to investigate Biden should lead to immediate impeachment ALL BY ITSELF.

But he could shoot someone on Fifth Ave and get away with it...so in the big picture his admission doesn’t even matter. Senate Republicans will twist themselves into Gordion knots in order to explain how what Trump did was legal, but anything Biden/Clinton/Obama did in Ukraine “needs investigation“..
 

brandonbull

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I'm afraid all of this will get dropped just like all the investigtions that should've been launched in Dick Cheney. I'm afraid the dems will fear looking like they are going after their political enemies and drop it all.
Mueller investigation, Steele Dossier, and IRS scandal ended the myth about the Dems not going after political opponents.
 
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glenn1

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Trump has now admitted he had aid to Ukraine withheld. (he is now blaming Europe for this, lol) So we have him both admitting to repeatedly pressuring the Ukrainian president to investigate his political enemies while illegally withholding vital military aid to them.

We should all remember though that even if he didn't withhold a single penny of aid the request for Ukraine to investigate Biden should lead to immediate impeachment ALL BY ITSELF.

If Biden is a true leader and worthy of being the pick for POTUS to replace Trump, then Biden himself should speak up to the effect of "neither me nor my son did anything wrong and I welcome Ukraine doing an investigation and clearing our name." IMHO the primary thing Joe and Hunter Biden are guilty of is being stupidly naive about the appearance of impropriety that taking a board position for a gas company in Ukraine created, but that damage is already done. The main thing for Joe now in 2020 is putting this away for good because the issue isn't going away no matter how illegally, improperly, or stupidly Trump handles it on his end.
 

fskimospy

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If Biden is a true leader and worthy of being the pick for POTUS to replace Trump, then Biden himself should speak up to the effect of "neither me nor my son did anything wrong and I welcome Ukraine doing an investigation and clearing our name." IMHO the primary thing Joe and Hunter Biden are guilty of is being stupidly naive about the appearance of impropriety that taking a board position for a gas company in Ukraine created, but that damage is already done. The main thing for Joe now in 2020 is putting this away for good because the issue isn't going away no matter how illegally, improperly, or stupidly Trump handles it on his end.

Have you guys not learned anything from 2004 and 2016? This will never go away regardless of the merits because Republicans have literally zero interest in the merits. It was ALREADY investigated on the merits and there was no wrongdoing found. This idea that we have to take plainly bad faith accusations seriously and subject them to endless and ever more rigorous investigations is playing directly into the hands of the same people who pushed the Swift Boat nonsense or Hillary's Emails.
 
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UNCjigga

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Mueller investigation, Steele Dossier, and IRS scandal ended the myth about the Dems not going after political opponents.

Mueller investigation - Republican deputy AG appointed Republican who found evidence of obstruction.

Steele Dossier - Republican operatives engaged Fusion GPS, who eventually hired a political outsider (Steele) to produce a report partially financed by Dems who took over the investigation after it was already started.

IRS “scandal” - Has been proven again and again that there was no partisan bias, as both lefty orgs and righty orgs were scrutinized. IG report from Trump’s own administration put a stake in this.


I hope you update your OS and virus definitions more often than you update your talking points, otherwise you’re likely to get infected with malware the same way your brain was infected by nonsense.
 

fskimospy

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Mueller investigation, Steele Dossier, and IRS scandal ended the myth about the Dems not going after political opponents.

Mueller investigation was started and run by Republicans.

Steele Dossier was opposition research, the type of which every campaign engages in. Republicans started this too.

IRS 'scandal' turned out to be entirely fake. Are you really so far in the bubble you didn't know that?
 
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dainthomas

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Mueller investigation, Steele Dossier, and IRS scandal ended the myth about the Dems not going after political opponents.

Let's assume your conspiracy theories are all true and it's an evil plot. Just the things he has admitted doing with his own words would be enough to impeach him, but the dems are too weak to do the job their voters gave them.

Not sure how Pelosi thinks this move will keep purple seats safe. You're far more likely to disenchant your own voters and have them stay home than you are to draw any red hats to your side.
 
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Perknose

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If Biden is a true leader and worthy of being the pick for POTUS to replace Trump, then Biden himself should speak up to the effect of exactly when he stopped beating his wife.
FTFY.
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Jhhnn

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If Biden is a true leader and worthy of being the pick for POTUS to replace Trump, then Biden himself should speak up to the effect of "neither me nor my son did anything wrong and I welcome Ukraine doing an investigation and clearing our name." IMHO the primary thing Joe and Hunter Biden are guilty of is being stupidly naive about the appearance of impropriety that taking a board position for a gas company in Ukraine created, but that damage is already done. The main thing for Joe now in 2020 is putting this away for good because the issue isn't going away no matter how illegally, improperly, or stupidly Trump handles it on his end.

You're ignoring Brandolini's law & the lingering effects of the Big Lie way of doing things. A fair number of conservatives still believe that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, that Obama wasn't born in this country & a whole slew of other nefarious lies.
 

dank69

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If Biden is a true leader and worthy of being the pick for POTUS to replace Trump, then Biden himself should speak up to the effect of "neither me nor my son did anything wrong and I welcome Ukraine doing an investigation and clearing our name." IMHO the primary thing Joe and Hunter Biden are guilty of is being stupidly naive about the appearance of impropriety that taking a board position for a gas company in Ukraine created, but that damage is already done. The main thing for Joe now in 2020 is putting this away for good because the issue isn't going away no matter how illegally, improperly, or stupidly Trump handles it on his end.
Conservatives everywhere are already convinced Biden and his son are corrupt despite a previous investigation into this matter finding nothing. Same as Hillary being crooked despite multiple investigations finding no evidence she broke any laws. Even if we humored you idiots with another investigation that found nothing, you idiots would still not be convinced. Meanwhile, every investigation into Trump is a sour-grapes witch hunt. When the Mueller investigation plainly stated they could not exonerate the President, you idiots instead believe that it did exonerate him because Trump said it exonerated him.

TL;DR: Go fuck yourself for acting like you give a shit about anything other than your own wallet.
 
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Sunburn74

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If Biden is a true leader and worthy of being the pick for POTUS to replace Trump, then Biden himself should speak up to the effect of "neither me nor my son did anything wrong and I welcome Ukraine doing an investigation and clearing our name." IMHO the primary thing Joe and Hunter Biden are guilty of is being stupidly naive about the appearance of impropriety that taking a board position for a gas company in Ukraine created, but that damage is already done. The main thing for Joe now in 2020 is putting this away for good because the issue isn't going away no matter how illegally, improperly, or stupidly Trump handles it on his end.
You realize the whole Ukraine investigation thing was completely made up? It's akin to the obama birther conspiracy.
 

glenn1

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You realize the whole Ukraine investigation thing was completely made up? It's akin to the obama birther conspiracy.

So what technical or other qualifications did Hunter Biden bring to the board of that Ukrainian gas company anyway? Millions of lawyers in the world and they just so happened to select the one not coincidentally who was the son of the sitting VPOTUS? I think an investigation was entirely legitimate giving the very real appearance of conflicts of interest.
 

Vic

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So what technical or other qualifications did Hunter Biden bring to the board of that Ukrainian gas company anyway? Millions of lawyers in the world and they just so happened to select the one not coincidentally who was the son of the sitting VPOTUS? I think an investigation was entirely legitimate giving the very real appearance of conflicts of interest.
POTUS: admits publicly to having committed an impeachable act.

Trumpers: but whatabout...

LOL Trumpers.
 

glenn1

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POTUS: admits publicly to having committed an impeachable act.

Trumpers: but whatabout...

LOL Trumpers.

Do you have trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time? One can simultaneously say that Trump is wrong and deserves to be removed from office while at the same time say that Hunter Biden's actions reek of the appearance (and perhaps reality) of conflict of interest and perhaps outright corruption. They are not mutually exclusive propositions by any means.
 

Vic

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Mueller investigation, Steele Dossier, and IRS scandal ended the myth about the Dems not going after political opponents.
LOL Trumpers.

Just because you're stupid enough to believe without question all the bullshit that RWNJ media spews out doesn't mean the rest of us are too.
 

Vic

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Do you have trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time? One can simultaneously say that Trump is wrong and deserves to be removed from office while at the same time say that Hunter Biden's actions reek of the appearance (and perhaps reality) of conflict of interest and perhaps outright corruption. They are not mutually exclusive propositions by any means.
So on the subject of whatabouts, let's talk about Trump Jr's dealings with Russia. Surely that deserves an investigation too, right?
Or are you going to argue that's somehow different?

Republican's brains are fucking broken. You keep preaching accountability for everyone but yourselves while fooling yourselves into believing no one notices.
 
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glenn1

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So on the subject of whatabouts, let's talk about Trump Jr's dealings with Russia. Surely that deserves an investigation too, right?

Wasn't that one of the main areas of focus for the Mueller investigation? If not then heck yes investigate that also.
 

Vic

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Wasn't that one of the main areas of focus for the Mueller investigation? If not then heck yes investigate that also.
No doubt the results of that investigation can be found somewhere in the redactions you didn't give a shit about.
 

emperus

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Do you have trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time? One can simultaneously say that Trump is wrong and deserves to be removed from office while at the same time say that Hunter Biden's actions reek of the appearance (and perhaps reality) of conflict of interest and perhaps outright corruption. They are not mutually exclusive propositions by any means.

Yes, I'm glad you are just now concerned about conflicts of interest. Where was that same concern when Trump took office with all the conflicts of interests and outright corruption he ushered in.?