I do this so you don't have to... adventures in building a SFF-like Antec Aria system (Shuttle SB81P sucks!)

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Stark

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verdict: the SB81p is a piece of crap.
got an RMA from newegg today.

newegg = :thumbsup:
shuttle = :thumbsdown:

this is what i ended up buying as a replacement:

Antec ARIA MATX case $99 (looks like a sweet case, just a little bigger than the XPC cases)
Asus P5GD1-VM MATX MB $105
plus:
Sapphire Theatrix 550pro capture card oem $90.79

Grand Total with tax, shipping, and rush processing: $339.14

not bad for $50 less than the worst computer I've ever owned in my life! I'll post some pics of this build as well. :p
 

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update... the aria case is pretty cool... not great airflow, and clearances for everything is TIGHT! But I somehow got it together and it's rock solid. Noise level is about the same (not very quiet and it heats up a room if left running all day).

Initial 3DMark scores:

3DMark05
Asus/Aria
Score: 3116

Date: 2005-03-11
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 2993 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON X700 Series
425 MHz / 432 MHz
OS: Microsoft Windows XP
Res: 1024x768@32 bit

Shuttle SB81P 2963
Score: 2963

Date: 2005-01-26
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3014 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON X700 Series
425 MHz / 432 MHz
OS: Microsoft Windows XP
Res: 1024x768@32 bit

3DMark03:
SB81P/6600GT
Score: 7831

Date: 2005-01-06
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3014 MHz
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce 6600 GT
299 MHz / 1002 MHz
OS: Microsoft Windows XP
Res: 1024x768@32 bit

Asus/Aria
Score: 7322

Date: 2005-03-11
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 2993 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON X700 Series
425 MHz / 432 MHz
OS: Microsoft Windows XP
Res: 1024x768@32 bit

SB81P
Score: 7070

Date: 2005-01-26
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 3014 MHz
GPU: ATI RADEON X700 Series
425 MHz / 432 MHz
OS: Microsoft Windows XP
Res: 1024x768@32 bit

I'm pretty sure the SB81Peice of crap's problem is related to the motherboard or power supply. I'd lean towards a mobo problem as the PCIe slot can't even put out enough power to run a 6600GT card without "help."

The only thing I've given up is the SPDIF port, onboard firewire (which I only used for my ipod, so now I'm using the USB 2.0 cord), and onboard SATA Raid. In return I got a more stable system (knock on wood), room for a TV Tuner card, and faster performance. Plus I saved $50. Not bad.

Pics to come...
 

Stark

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this is the OP from the thread... the new system is now up on top

original post (for reference):
This week I decided to order a Shuttle box to build a new MCE PC to replace my old dual Athlon MP 2000+ system.

I ordered the following from newegg on Monday and it got here wed (price included for those contemplating jumping to sff/mce):

Item List

BRBN PC SHUTTLE SB81P RETAIL (Qty=1,Price=$374.00)
VGA LEADTEK GF PX6600GT-128MB RT (Qty=1,Price=$208.50)
CPU P4/3 GHz 800M LGA775 530 RET (Qty=1,Price=$179.00)
DDR 512MB PC3200 BL6464Z402 CRU (Qty=2,Price=$218.00)
HD 160GB|WD1600SD RAID Edition% (Qty=2,Price=$230.00)
KB MS|NATURAL KEYBRD ELITE PS2 REV% (Qty=1,Price=$18.00)
KB&MS LOGITECH DINOVO KEYB/MOUSE RT (Qty=1,Price=$149.00)
DVD+/-RW 16x+|NEC ND-3500A BK (Qty=1,Price=$62.99)
S/W MS|WINDOWS MEDIA CENTER 2005 % (Qty=1,Price=$131.00)
WRLSS-G NET ADAPTER|LINKSYS WUSB54G (Qty=1,Price=$49.99)
IR REMOTE CONTROL BATAM MC GENERIC% (Qty=1,Price=$29.00)

Subtotal:$1,649.48
TAX:$119.59
Shipping and Handling Charge**:$38.02
Total:$1,807.09
I'm still waiting on this:
HAUPPAUGE WINTV PVR-500 MCE 2 TUNER PCI W/MCE 2005 (White Box) $136.67

update: this card will not fit in the shuttle pci slot. in fact, not many PCI cards larger than a modem or USB2.0 expansion card (which is what I stuck in there) will fit in the slot. any card with a big thick component protruding from the top half (like a tv tuner card), just forget about it. I'll be using a USB tuner instead.
Fedex delivered yesterday morning and I decided to put everything together. Here's how it went (with pics-tars, thanks Beau).

Ordered on monday, delivered on wed w/standard shipping. Newegg rules!

Not much in the box. MS ergo keyboard for mrs., dinovo bluetooth for me.

A box worth keeping.

box contents

I still don't know what all the holes on the right are for.

first look at the guts

from above

the other side

So that's what PCIe looks like

screwless rails & manuals

IDE drive enclosure removed

starting with the NEC 3500 DVD-RW

which will go here

Tip: remove the front bezel at this point (or you'll have to take it all apart later)

snap-on rails

ready to install

installed in enclosure (I would be adding an IDE HD later, so changed jumper to slave)

P4 3.0 lga 775 - fast enough for under $200 and hopefully to be replaced with an 3.4 EE whenever price comes down

new pull cord on P4 boxes for easy opening

sweet fan... it's almost a shame not to need it

512 megs of CAS 2 Crucial goodness

need to remove the shuttle ICE heatsink/fan

remove air duct on other side

ICE, ICE baby

socket exposed

pop open the hood

Pinless processor

just drops into place (note, the black plastic cover needs to be removed)

cooling gunk

spread it around

locking down the CPU is easy as one, two, three!

insert memory

Reinstall ICE

reinstall air duct

moving on to the video card

so many games... so little time

prepping the slots (they lock down with the flip latch/screws)

POS 6600GT installed

it's going to be a tight fit when the pvr card arrives

install IDE bay, attach cables (don't forget about the audio lineout to onboard sound)

now time for the HD... these WD were built specifically for RAID applications)

install the rails and they drop right in

opposite view (IDE HD bay can be FDD bay, either/or but not both)

plugged in and ready for RAID

If you're going to be running RAID, you need a floppy for the F6 driver install in windows. I had to install the FDD cable and hang the drive out the side)

2-2-2-8 = sweetness

enable RAID

set the bios to boot to CD, and start installing MCE. Setup asked if I wanted to join a domain, but I thought that was disabled in the OS?!? You need to install CD1, then CD2, then reinstall CD1 when it askes for SP2 (sort of confusing), and that's all there is to it!

Done!

When a co-worker saw the finished product, he said it was so sweet it was "technosexual." I have to agree, it is one sexy machine.

I just got the third HD (Maxtor 150GB) installed last night and the music and picture files copied over to the RAID/system partition. I should get to start playing with it tonight. I'll need to get a USB hub soon to support two printers, a scanner, two keyboards, and the MCE remote control reciever. :D

build time: 1 hr
windows install time: 1 hr

transferring profiles/data: 4-5 hours
so far, so good. I'll update as I get to play around with the MCE features.

update: hooked it up to my tv and reciever last night via s-video and spdif connectors and watched a dvd. It looked and sounded great. Hopefully I'll get more time to play with it over the weekend.

update:
At home in action
Rockin' out with SRV

cliff notes:

i built a sff computer.

so far it's eaten 2 PCIe video cards and one PCI tuner card. ;)

UPDATE:
tried x700 256MB card instead of PX6600GT TDH and it's working like a champ. It's handled everything I've thrown at it so far! :D:D:D

Update 1/26pm
24 hours of use and not one sign of trouble. YES! I'm a happy camper again!

update: got RMA from newegg. my time is not worth trying to make this system stable. I'm getting a new one and will try again from the ground up.

update 2/15: new system is built and working ok so far. the ATX3 connector is necessary to make the system run, but there's no mention of it in the Shuttle manual. I probably would not recommend this model to someone building a new system until they get the bugs worked out. ;)

see links below.

:eek:
 

Stark

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the latest:
- the Aria is solid as a rock.
- the Shuttle went on the UPS truck to newegg today.
- MCE is stupid. How MS sells this OS without a working DVD decoder is beyond me... a fully working dvd player costs about $80 today, yet a WM10-compatible software decoder is at least $15. I don't understand how that works.

I'm satisfied now, but if I had to do it all over, I probably would just buy a souped up mac mini.