I DID IT!

[zakee00]

well, i was kind of bummed out that my 3000+ couldnt make it past 2.43GHz w/o failing prime after 2 hrs. i thought for sure that the processor just wasnt lucky. but, then i ran memtest just to see...and lo and behold, i got errors in memtest after like 200%. but how can this be, my ddr500 ram was only at 240MHz, at its rated timings with a lot of volts bein pumped into it! well, i set the devider to 133 from 166, and i ran prime95 last night at 2.61GHz. i quit the program this morning after 12 hrs, no errors
so, even if you memory is stable at 270MHz 1:1, like mine was, it might not be stable at 240MHz with the same voltage/timings. weird stuff.
anyway, i had some questions:

1. i pumped my AGP voltage up from 1.5 to 1.6, because people told me it could help me get more stable. could this hurt my video card in the long run? (ill lower it back to normal tonight and see if im still prime stable)
2. WHY is my ram so retarded?

anyway, here are my current bios settings:

RAM: 133 devider, 186MHz. 2.5-3-3-6. 1.75v

290HTT, 3x multi, 9x proc multi, AGP 1.6v, vcore is 1.504 as read by CPUZ.

i get idle temps of 31C, and load of 54C with stock cooling w/ AS5.

Thanks guys for all the help,
Nick

 

[mwmorph]

the agp voltage is bad for the card. it runs hotter and more likely to fail.
as for the ram... idk.

 

[zakee00]

the card temps have been normal

 

[JBDan]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
the agp voltage is bad for the card. it runs hotter and more likely to fail.
as for the ram... idk.

I dont think it is bad for the card at all, but just my opinion. Mine runs no hotter form 1.5 to 1.6 whatsoever. It just stabilized my 6800gt in 3d apps tenfold. Good to see you got that 2.6 mark Zake

 

[Ackbar]

You're getting 2.6 GHz from a 3000+ Winchester??? Wow... what type of cooling are you using? That seems to be what most people get with the 3500+ Winchester with stock cooling.

 

[Demo24]

Originally posted by: Ackbar
You're getting 2.6 GHz from a 3000+ Winchester??? Wow... what type of cooling are you using? That seems to be what most people get with the 3500+ Winchester with stock cooling.

same core and hes useing the stock heatsink like he said in his post

 

[ts3433]

Originally posted by: Ackbar
You're getting 2.6 GHz from a 3000+ Winchester??? Wow... what type of cooling are you using? That seems to be what most people get with the 3500+ Winchester with stock cooling.

Actually, all three Winchesters usually top out at those kinds of speeds on air cooling, so there's no surprise. They're all the same chip.

 

[zakee00]

yeah, now im just trying to figure out why my ram is retarded
186MHz ist exactly flying with DDR 500 ram dammit. if i raise it back to 166 devider i shed 1 sec on superpi, which is alot lol
i just failed memtest at 2.5-4-4-7 with 2.85v, 240MHz. WHY!?!?!? can i be overvolting? can that cause the memory grief?
btw, thanks Dan, now im fine with leaving my agp at 1.6.
-Nick

edit: i tried memtest again at 166 3-4-4-6 2.8v and it passed up to 800% when i stopped it. im diffenately glad its working, but i emailed Geil in any case because its not working at the rated timings.

 

[miketheidiot]

RMA

 

[DerwenArtos12]

your ram is retarded because because you need to bump your timings to 2.5-3-3-10. I can't tell you why but the best overclockers including the guys at AT have found that A64 ram is a lot more stable. is that geil actually ddr500 or is ti the new TCCD stuff. if it is the sandard i woudl say you should be good at 166 if it's TCCD then you should be able to synch it up.

 

[zakee00]

geil uses theyre own ram chips, so its not tccd. im pretty sure anyway. i sorta wish i got diff ram, but this is good enough.
right now im at 166 with 3-4-4-6, ill diffenately try 2.5-3-3-10. im pretty sure it wont work though. i read somewhere that a64 likes x-x-x-10.

 

[slash196]

Those high speed chips are rated at DDr500 for a reason: they run lower latencies at higher speeds better than other chips. It's no a given that they'll run lower speeds better just because they're high performers at higher speeds.

 

[zakee00]

Originally posted by: slash196
Those high speed chips are rated at DDr500 for a reason: they run lower latencies at higher speeds better than other chips. It's no a given that they'll run lower speeds better just because they're high performers at higher speeds.

i think im in a pickle, because i SERIOUSLY doubt my ram can run at 290 1:1, and from what slash said, it might not like low speeds either. so im kinda in the middle right now, 237MHz. im ok with running at 3-4-4-6, if thats what it takes to run it at 166 and not 133, but i would much rather run it at its rated timings. i emailed geil, im intrested to see what they say.

thanks slash, but can you elaborate more?
nick

 

[Shenkoa]

Your lucky, my OC is limited cause my mobo's BIOS does not have lock's for the rest of the system.

 

[Necrolezbeast]

Zake, I am unsure if you have even tried the 2.5-3-3-10 settings yet. Give it a try and see what results you get, as you seem to be willing to try many configurations just try it out and see if ya get any different results.

 

[nealh]

hmm..I doubt you will see any performance differences with the ram at a slightly higher speed see Zebo's stickied thread...

now if you want to return the ram b/c it is not running as rated thats one thing...also it maybe that on the this mobo that ram will never hit those speeds...

always frustrating when something is just not right but withso many compatability issues these days it is hard to know when to rma IMHO

 

[zakee00]

yeah, i just failed with 2.5-3-3-10. im going to try w 2.5-4-4-10
so you guys think that my mobo could be incompatible with my ram? i should have gotten corsair

 

[peonyu]

Go with lower timings over speed.

 

[zakee00]

failed at 2.5-4-4-10 also. heres the email Geil sent me: "It is better to run 1:1 ratio with the FSB. What is the max your cpu can
handle?" lol...ill try it at 1:1, but i seriously doubt ddr500 ram can handle 290HTT.

edit: lol no go, failed at 2.5% 3-5-5-10 1:1 in memtest. im back at 237MHz 3-3-3-6. i think this was stable, ill run memtest to make sure.
im giving up, if it dosnt want to run correctly, then it dosnt want to run correctly..

thanks,
nick

 

[Dough1397]

hey buddy, why not try lowering you fsb to 250 and running you ram at 1:1 and wth the timings they advertised so that way you can see if your stick is a dud..... otherwise rma the mofo

 

[zakee00]

thanks for the suggestion, but ive had the ram running at 270MHz b4 1:1, it was stable in memtest. then i decided to raise my HTT to 290 and bring my proc up to 2.6GHz. i know the ram isnt a dud, but its probably an incompatability with the ram/mobo.
im just going to leave the ram with at 166 devider, so its running at 237MHz 3-3-3-6. its memtest/prime95 stable at those settings, im happy i guess. wish i could lower the CAS to 2.5 though.
Thanks
nick