I dare you...

zsdersw

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... any and all of you... to start a thread and comment critically on (with a link or two to the event) something that someone who is on "your side", ideologically and/or politically, did that they shouldn't have done... or something they should have done but didn't.
 

dank69

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Obama shouldn't have allowed the Bush tax cuts to continue. Not gonna start a thread about it...
 

cybrsage

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Congress should not have added the appearence that American Citizens and other US Persons could be held indefinately without use of a Writ of Habeus Corpus. Since the SC already said US Citizens have that right (recently, during the Bush administration), that portion of the law cannot be enforced, so they should have removed it.
 

Atreus21

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... any and all of you... to start a thread and comment critically on (with a link or two to the event) something that someone who is on "your side", ideologically and/or politically, did that they shouldn't have done... or something they should have done but didn't.

Bush should not have bailed out...was it GM? I can't recall.

I also wish republicans would more seriously consider drug legalization.
 

HomerJS

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Obama early in his administration let the telecoms off the hook for warrantless wiretapping. Class action lawsuits were in the pipe because of violating FISA.
 

QuantumPion

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Bush should have pushed harder for social security reform, not passed Ted Kennedy's NCLB, not try to cater to illegals by toying with amnesty, should have cut spending, repealed burdensome regulation, not pass medicare part D, should not have made department of homeland security or TSA...

Actually come to think of it, most of my complaints about Bush are just how he went with Democrat ideas and agendas so really I am not complaining about stuff on "my side". :|
 

crashtestdummy

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Second on the Bush tax cuts. They should be allowed to expire across the board.

Lack of a public option neutered the health care bill. It does almost nothing now (despite what the repubs will tell you).

Occupiers (not sure they're "my side," but I do consider myself a liberal) need to get a grip and realize that rational governance is far more important than obsessing over narrow principles. This is part of a greater political trend that really bothers me.

Nuclear power is the only reasonable choice for emissions-free energy in the near future. It's safety record, even including the major incidents, is far better per watt generated than any other source of energy (even hydroelectric power). If you really care about global warming and other environmental causes, nuclear power makes the most sense in the short-to-medium term.

Responsibly-designed GMOs could potentially be the greatest thing world agriculture has seen since the green revolution. Sure Monsanto is sloppy about what they do, but that's no reason to discourage development of golden rice (fortified with beta-carotene), cassava fortified with protein, biofuel plants designed to remove and sequester arsenic from soil, rice designed to rotate with it that doesn't take in arsenic, and so on. It's nice that you like organic food and all, but realize it's a luxury that the rest of the world cannot afford.

On a side note, industrial farms are far more efficient at food production and leave a much smaller footprint on the rest of the world than locally grown organic produce.

Same goes with living in the country. Rural liberals like to pretend that living in the country makes you "more in touch with nature," yet they're doing far more damage to the environment. I love living in the country, but I produce far more greenhouse gasses driving around, getting supplies shipped in, and heating my home than I would living in a condo in an apartment. Instead of subsidizing home and car ownership, we should be subsidizing apartment and condo living, as well as paying people to not have cars. I'd still want my car and home in the country, but that's my choice knowing the finances are not in my favor.
 
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crashtestdummy

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Because one thread containing them all is less noticeable than many threads.

I think you'll find, though, that the people posting in here aren't in a campaign to turn over "their side". My list of complaints can go a lot longer than the one I posted (don't get me started on the anti-vaccine and homeopathy crowds), but there's a lot more than that that I like about what my side does. Otherwise, I'd choose another side.
 

zsdersw

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I think you'll find, though, that the people posting in here aren't in a campaign to turn over "their side". My list of complaints can go a lot longer than the one I posted (don't get me started on the anti-vaccine and homeopathy crowds), but there's a lot more than that that I like about what my side does. Otherwise, I'd choose another side.

I'm not interested in that. I merely want to see some criticism of one's own side, which is woefully lacking in P&N.
 

Mursilis

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... any and all of you... to start a thread and comment critically on (with a link or two to the event) something that someone who is on "your side", ideologically and/or politically, did that they shouldn't have done... or something they should have done but didn't.

What if one doesn't really have a "side"? For different reasons (obviously), I find both the Dems and GOP to be huge disappointments and impairments to the long-term health of the country. But then again, they're merely reflections of our citizens.
 

woolfe9999

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Bush should not have bailed out...was it GM? I can't recall.

I also wish republicans would more seriously consider drug legalization.

Bush provided only a bridge loan. The real bailout of the autos came under Obama. And it was one of the best things he did. Bush also deserves credit for starting the process.
 

woolfe9999

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In answer to the OP's question, there are so many things that libs and dems have done wrong I wouldn't even know where to begin.
 

Shyatic

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... any and all of you... to start a thread and comment critically on (with a link or two to the event) something that someone who is on "your side", ideologically and/or politically, did that they shouldn't have done... or something they should have done but didn't.

Thankfully I don't have a "side" because I think both "sides" are exactly what's wrong with this country.
 

cubby1223

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Okay - so pretty much the consensus here is, "My Side" should never have done anything that "Compromises" with "The Other Side".

Yeah, this thread has been a total failure :p
 

zsdersw

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What if one doesn't really have a "side"? For different reasons (obviously), I find both the Dems and GOP to be huge disappointments and impairments to the long-term health of the country. But then again, they're merely reflections of our citizens.

Scribe said:
Thankfully I don't have a "side" because I think both "sides" are exactly what's wrong with this country.

If you don't have a "side" and regularly express disappointment with both of them, then you're not the target audience of this thread... and you're not a part of what's wrong with P&N.
 

crashtestdummy

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I'm not interested in that. I merely want to see some criticism of one's own side, which is woefully lacking in P&N.


Why does it have to be negative? I feel it'd be far more constructive to have a series of posts (or threads, if you insist) applauding the "other side" for things they did well. That is far more likely to build bridges and create a productive framework for negotiation. You'll also have a harder time finding strong responses, though.