I challenge the assumption that people buy a Prius to show off treehuggery

stateofbeasley

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Disclaimer: I do not own a Prius, and I would never buy a Toyota, as I think they drive like crap, even if they are reliable.

I always read comments here and on other message boards about people buying a Prius only because they want to show off their smug green credentials. This "showing off of treehuggery" is often the reason cited for the Prius' success over the Honda Civic Hybrid.

But I think this may be wrong. I think it is possible that a good % of people buying a Prius want a midsize sedan with better cargo capacity, and do not want the bulk of an SUV.

One of my elderly neighbors said he likes his Prius because he thinks it rides well (smooth and floaty, I guess) and he and his wife can fit a lot of stuff in the hatch. He did not want an SUV b/c they sit higher up and are more difficult to get in and out of.

I remember a thread over at Priuschat about why people picked the Prius over the Civic Hybrid, and the utility of the hatchback was probably the major reason. The Civic Hybrid does not have fold down seats b/c the battery pack blocks the area between the seats and the trunk.

The Prius is a bit more expensive than a typical midsize sedan, but not hugely more expensive. A base Camry runs about 19k, and a base Prius runs about 22k. With options I'm thinking that most Camry and Prius cars sell in the mid 20's.

Now there are other hatchbacks out there: Mazda3, Subaru Impreza, and so forth, but I know a lot of people like the quiet marshmellowness of a Toyota, and take comfort in Toyota's reputation for quality.

So maybe people buy a Prius because they want a marshmellowly mid-size vehicle with hatchback utility. There are not many wagons to be had in the US, and even fewer midsize hatchbacks. Mazda6 was one of the last remaining of this type, and it got canned in the US market when the new Mazda6 came out.
 

JulesMaximus

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People who bash Prius owners tend to be very unaccepting of anything that is different from what they believe. If yer not drivin' a truck with 26" tires and a huge lift yer a commie tree-huggin' liberul. Wastin' gas is the Amerikin way! YEE HAW!!! I'm gonna stick a big Amerikin flag in the bak of mah truck.
 

PottedMeat

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Prius is just a commuter vehicle, it moves people in stop & go traffic reliably and fairly efficiently. It can haul fairly large items but not heavy - it's loaded capacity is only 810lbs and it cant tow anything. I didn't realize it was such a big car though - it looks almost as wide and long as a Honda Odyssey.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: princess ida
Everyone I know personally with a Prius is, in fact, a treehugger. Or thinks that they are.

I know one person who owns a hybrid and it is a Civic. He bought it so his wife could get the stickers that allows you to drive in the HOV lanes on CA freeways with only one person in the car.

Besides, what's wrong with being a "treehugger?" I recycle a lot of my trash, I never litter, I've done a lot of commuting by bicycle, I try to use as little water as possible and not waste it, and I don't run my A/C unless it is extremely uncomfortable in my home...does that make me a treehugger?
 

stateofbeasley

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Did you watch South Park? Prius owners are so smug.

So that's the explanation? That a television show convinced people that others buy a Prius for the sole reason of being smug? :shocked:
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: princess ida
Everyone I know personally with a Prius is, in fact, a treehugger. Or thinks that they are.

I know one person who owns a hybrid and it is a Civic. He bought it so his wife could get the stickers that allows you to drive in the HOV lanes on CA freeways with only one person in the car.

Besides, what's wrong with being a "treehugger?" I recycle a lot of my trash, I never litter, I've done a lot of commuting by bicycle, I try to use as little water as possible and not waste it, and I don't run my A/C unless it is extremely uncomfortable in my home...does that make me a treehugger?

No, I'm the same way, although I try to recycle without actually recycling. And when I do, I try to make sure it's the private sector that's recycling.

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
And all BMW drivers have them just for the vag

yep. :D
 

JeepinEd

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I bought a Prius, mainly for it's technology. It's different from your standard sedan and I love to play with new and emerging technology. Using less gas (NOT saving money on gas) is also a big plus, as I'd like the US to be as independent of foreign oil as possible.

While I care about the environment and participate in clean ups, trail maintenance and other similar programs, I'm no tree hugger. I don't buy the MMGW BS and do quite a bit of off-roading, so I'm constantly fighting the environmentalists who are trying to close down my trails.
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: stateofbeasley
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
Did you watch South Park? Prius owners are so smug.

So that's the explanation? That a television show convinced people that others buy a Prius for the sole reason of being smug? :shocked:

I'll give you an idea from a personal experience:

I was looking to buy a subaru wagon and came across this lady who was selling it. She was working for a major hospital in the SF bay and she wanted to sell her subaru to get a prius with a HOV lane sticker (back when Caltrans still issued them) because she wanted to spend more time with her kids. The first thing that came to my mind was: So your time is more valuable than other people's time?

Of course it was stupid for Caltrans to give out those stickers (which they don't anymore), but I felt like that was elitism at its best. I test drove the car and didn't buy it, ha.
 

stateofbeasley

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
I'll give you an idea from a personal experience:

I was looking to buy a subaru wagon and came across this lady who was selling it. She was working for a major hospital in the SF bay and she wanted to sell her subaru to get a prius with a HOV lane sticker (back when Caltrans still issued them) because she wanted to spend more time with her kids. The first thing that came to my mind was: So your time is more valuable than other people's time?

Of course it was stupid for Caltrans to give out those stickers (which they don't anymore), but I felt like that was elitism at its best. I test drove the car and didn't buy it, ha.

How is that elitism? There was a way for her to get home faster and she was willing to buy a new car for it. Would it be elitism for me to buy a MazdaSpeed3 or Cobalt SS because it could reduce my highway commute time by a couple minutes over my present car? That assumes I don't lose time from police stops, LOL :p
 

TehMac

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Originally posted by: JeepinEd
I bought a Prius, mainly for it's technology. It's different from your standard sedan and I love to play with new and emerging technology. Using less gas (NOT saving money on gas) is also a big plus, as I'd like the US to be as independent of foreign oil as possible.

While I care about the environment and participate in clean ups, trail maintenance and other similar programs, I'm no tree hugger. I don't buy the MMGW BS and do quite a bit of off-roading, so I'm constantly fighting the environmentalists who are trying to close down my trails.

A Volkswagen Polo or Subaru running diesel can get 50 mpg - even 60mpg. With a manual. :D

That's another reason why America should go back to manuals. People are so fucking lazy and stupid.
 

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
People who bash Prius owners tend to be very unaccepting of anything that is different from what they believe. If yer not drivin' a truck with 26" tires and a huge lift yer a commie tree-huggin' liberul. Wastin' gas is the Amerikin way! YEE HAW!!! I'm gonna stick a big Amerikin flag in the bak of mah truck.

That has anything to do with it.
Truck or no truck.

I for one, can't stand a damned thing about the prius. Looks, performance, ride quality (sister has one and the ride is shit). The ONLY thing it might have going for it is the extra room vs the Honda.
One thing I notice about the Prius folks is that they are some of faster ones out there on the road and probably do it with the assumption they are still saving.
And yes...man of them are quite smug.
 

JeepinEd

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Originally posted by: TehMac
Originally posted by: JeepinEd
I bought a Prius, mainly for it's technology. It's different from your standard sedan and I love to play with new and emerging technology. Using less gas (NOT saving money on gas) is also a big plus, as I'd like the US to be as independent of foreign oil as possible.

While I care about the environment and participate in clean ups, trail maintenance and other similar programs, I'm no tree hugger. I don't buy the MMGW BS and do quite a bit of off-roading, so I'm constantly fighting the environmentalists who are trying to close down my trails.

A Volkswagen Polo or Subaru running diesel can get 50 mpg - even 60mpg. With a manual. :D

That's another reason why America should go back to manuals. People are so fucking lazy and stupid.

Can't get a Polo or Subaru Diesel (AFAIK) in California.
Besides, those are just regular cars, which is not what I wanted.
 

zerocool84

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I think most of you still forget why majority of people buy a Pruis. It's to save money but for 99% of people it never will. So if you didn't buy it to save money you bought it to make a statement. Some of you said you bought it to save oil and that's a statement. What's so wrong with your car making a statement about yourself? Everything you buy says something about you. I drive a Neon SRT-4 and it says that I'm a cheap bastard who couldn't afford a better car but still wants to drive fast and doesn't care that he drives in an ugly car with no rear power windows. Everyone's car says something about them. I guess that many of you are so insecure with yourselves that you try to make up excuses for why you drive a certain car. Just accept what the cars says about you. It doesn't matter what type of car you drive, tv you buy, or food you buy. Everything you purchase with your hard earned money says something about you.
 

JeepinEd

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Originally posted by: JJ650
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
People who bash Prius owners tend to be very unaccepting of anything that is different from what they believe. If yer not drivin' a truck with 26" tires and a huge lift yer a commie tree-huggin' liberul. Wastin' gas is the Amerikin way! YEE HAW!!! I'm gonna stick a big Amerikin flag in the bak of mah truck.

That has anything to do with it.
Truck or no truck.

I for one, can't stand a damned thing about the prius. Looks, performance, ride quality (sister has one and the ride is shit). The ONLY thing it might have going for it is the extra room vs the Honda.
One thing I notice about the Prius folks is that they are some of faster ones out there on the road and probably do it with the assumption they are still saving.
And yes...man of them are quite smug.

We all have our own preferences when it comes to vehicles.
On a flat Hwy, The Prius has a sweet spot at around 75MPH, which will allow me to get 70 - 80 MPG.
You want to talk about smug... BMW drivers, High end Mercedes Drivers, exotic car drivers, you don't think they are smug? What exactly is it that makes you think they are smug? When you're on the highway, you can't even talk to them. Is it just a preconception?
 

alphatarget1

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Originally posted by: stateofbeasley
Originally posted by: alphatarget1
I'll give you an idea from a personal experience:

I was looking to buy a subaru wagon and came across this lady who was selling it. She was working for a major hospital in the SF bay and she wanted to sell her subaru to get a prius with a HOV lane sticker (back when Caltrans still issued them) because she wanted to spend more time with her kids. The first thing that came to my mind was: So your time is more valuable than other people's time?

Of course it was stupid for Caltrans to give out those stickers (which they don't anymore), but I felt like that was elitism at its best. I test drove the car and didn't buy it, ha.

How is that elitism? There was a way for her to get home faster and she was willing to buy a new car for it. Would it be elitism for me to buy a MazdaSpeed3 or Cobalt SS because it could reduce my highway commute time by a couple minutes over my present car? That assumes I don't lose time from police stops, LOL :p

HOV lanes are designed for people to reduce car usage by sharing rides, not for rich doctors to drive by themselves because their personal time is more valuable than anyone else's time.
 

stateofbeasley

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Originally posted by: alphatarget1
HOV lanes are designed for people to reduce car usage by sharing rides, not for rich doctors to drive by themselves because their personal time is more valuable than anyone else's time.

Ok, but then your problem should be with whoever came up with the HOV rules, not with the people who are maximizing their own efficiency within the rules.

What if that woman had been a salesperson who could complete her daily sales rounds more efficiently by going around in a Prius in the HOV lanes? Would that change your opinion? Seems to me like you have some issue with the "rich doctor".
 

stateofbeasley

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
I think most of you still forget why majority of people buy a Pruis. It's to save money but for 99% of people it never will.

If the intent of people buying a Prius was only to save money, as you say, how then is it that the intent was simultaneously to make a statement? That makes no sense.

My problem is that people say "Prius owner = smug treehugger" and its a negative judgment that I don't think has a basis in reality.

I don't judge you negatively for driving a Neon SRT-4. Maybe the car says you are cheap and like thrills, but that's not a moral judgment.

When people say "Prius owner = smug" they are basically making a moral judgment on that person.
 

JeepinEd

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Originally posted by: zerocool84
I think most of you still forget why majority of people buy a Pruis. It's to save money but for 99% of people it never will. So if you didn't buy it to save money you bought it to make a statement. Some of you said you bought it to save oil and that's a statement. What's so wrong with your car making a statement about yourself? Everything you buy says something about you. I drive a Neon SRT-4 and it says that I'm a cheap bastard who couldn't afford a better car but still wants to drive fast and doesn't care that he drives in an ugly car with no rear power windows. Everyone's car says something about them. I guess that many of you are so insecure with yourselves that you try to make up excuses for why you drive a certain car. Just accept what the cars says about you. It doesn't matter what type of car you drive, tv you buy, or food you buy. Everything you purchase with your hard earned money says something about you.

There is everyones perception of the statement your vehicle makes and there is your own perception of said statement. If I saw you on the Freeway, I would think you're probably a store clerk who can't afford a better car. If you saw me on the freeway you would think I'm just another "smug" tree hugger. You aren't purposely trying to make that statement and neither am I. Whether right or wrong, it's just our own prejudice.