No thanks to a diesel, unless I need a 3/4 ton or bigger for some reason.
Added initial cost, plus diesel is 50 cents per gallon higher, not to mention higher maintenance costs mean I'll never make the difference up with the higher fuel mileage.
Added initial cost, plus diesel is 50 cents per gallon higher, not to mention higher maintenance costs mean I'll never make the difference up with the higher fuel mileage.
So when are you going to post your articles dealing with commercial vehicles that aren't subject to the same emissions restrictions as non-commercial ones?
It will be nice to see more diesels on the road for regular passanger vehicles and light duty trucks -- which, I hate to break it to you, are subject to the same regulations as gasoline engines; that means a 50-state diesel passenger vehicle is as clean as a 50-state gasoline engine.
No it doesn't. It just means that the regulations are failing to regulate the particulates that are put out by diesels. Gas engines put out very little soot, diesels quite a bit.
Maybe it has to do with all of the lobbying done by auto and truck manufacturers?
I don't really care about greenhouse gases, I'm more worried about particulates that cause lung disease and cancer.
I'll go put my chip on insane mode and belch a few clouds of black smoke out of my exhaust pipe just for you.
Throckmorton
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Originally posted by: dug777
I'm slightly confused as to your point, but on the farm we've filled and driven a Mazda diesel ute (late 90s or early 2000s) with comfortably over a tonne that when moving rocks to fill washed out creek-bed laneway, and when moving pesticide barrels (with a trailer that was similarly overloaded behind the ute)
A tonne must be a lot smaller than a ton... Because an F-150 is a 1/2 ton truck.
dug777
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Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: dug777
I'm slightly confused as to your point, but on the farm we've filled and driven a Mazda diesel ute (late 90s or early 2000s) with comfortably over a tonne that when moving rocks to fill washed out creek-bed laneway, and when moving pesticide barrels (with a trailer that was similarly overloaded behind the ute)
A tonne must be a lot smaller than a ton... Because an F-150 is a 1/2 ton truck.
Well, a tonne is actually larger than a ton, if you're talking short tons. A long ton is very marginally more.
I'm amazed that a F-150 is only 1/2ton, given we have commodore and falcon based 2WD utes that are 1 tonners.
I'm guessing the mazda ute's rated payload would have been somewhere in the realm of 750kg, as it was a pretty light vehicle. Needless to say we would have exceeded that by a dramatic amount on those occasions.
1/2 ton does not mean the F150 can carry a 1/2 ton. Most models are rated at 1 ton payload capacity.
Pacfanweb: What higher maintenance cost?
Pacfanweb: What higher maintenance cost?
Oil changes, for starters. A Ford Powerstroke diesel costs about 100 bucks to change the oil. Huge filter and 15qts.
Not to mention that around here, diesel is about 50 cents higher than gas right now.
Pliablemoose
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Added initial costs? This 4.5L is $600 cheapre than the current Duramax.
and gets better gas mileage.
Yes, added initial cost OVER A GAS ENGINE. Most diesel options are 5-7000 dollars more than a gas engine.
You'll never recover that through just gas mileage, especially when you add in the more-expensive oil changes and 50 cents more per gallon for diesel.
Why in the helll would you even mention a Duramax? That's not available in a 1/2 ton.
I've never had anyone change my oil, but where the heck are you getting a $100 oil change? At the stealership using synthetic? My ram takes 12 qts, and the smaller diesels use 8qts
Up until 2005 Diesel always hovered within 10 cents of regular usually on the lower side. Right now the national average for regular is $2.98 and diesel is $3.26
Up until 2005 Diesel always hovered within 10 cents of regular usually on the lower side. Right now the national average for regular is $2.98 and diesel is $3.26
Here gas is 2.85 and diesel is 3.33. Close enough to 50 cents for me.
Powerstrokes take 15 quarts.
It costs about a hundred bucks to get the oil changed in one, and yes, that's at the dealership, where I'd damned well be getting mine changed. My days of lying on my back in the driveway are over. I'm not going to haul 15 freaking quarts of oil to the parts store to dispose.
I'd rather have a qualifed truck guy changing my oil who might notice any other problems while it's up in the air. (dealership I would go to has the regular truck guys do oil changes, not a lube monkey) Honestly though, I'd probably just buy my own oil and filter and go to the dealership I used to work at and slip one of the guys a 20-spot to do it for me. (nice to have a hook up)
Even at a lube shop, it's going to cost that much. Lube shops are pretty much higher than dealerships for oil changes, anyway. I guess unless you have a coupon or something, but the everyday prices for places around here like Snappy Lube, Jiffy Lube, etc, are usually at least 10 bucks more than it is at a dealership. (that's for a regular car, not a diesel)
And even if you change it yourself, there's 3 times (or close to it) as much oil to buy, and the filter is more expensive. The fuel filter also gets changed more often, as I recall. (used to be every 15k for Powerstrokes, don't know about the interval these days)
So, yeah, you can save some money by doing it yourself, but no matter how you slice it, a diesel costs more to maintain.
Oh, and before the gas prices really started rising, diesel was always more expensive than gas. I don't remember by how much, but diesel was usually close to the price of premium gas...usually a few cents higher.
Only when gas prices went way up did they get close....in fact, diesel was actually cheaper for a little while, but not for long.
Pliablemoose
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1prophet
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The diesel particulate filter in conjunction with the new ultra low sulfur diesel fuel and low ash oil has the ability to greatly reduce or eliminate the problem. particulate filter
That's great. And what percentage of diesel cars and trucks on the road actually have a particulate filter?
Meanwhile gas engines need bi-annual smog inspections to get registered, lead was taken out of the fuel years ago, and all have catalytic convertors.
Pliablemoose
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Dude, automobiles seem to be an endless source of frustration for you, why do you hang out in the garage?
How old are you & what do you drive?
You don't seem to understand that those laws apply to all passenger vehicles and light trucks. And since 2003, perhaps earlier, diesels haven't been sold in five states because they can't meet those standards. A diesel passenger car or light truck (I don't know how many times I can emphasize that part before it registers to you) that will be sold in all 50 states is meeting those standards -- the same ones a gasoline powered vehicles is meeting.
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