I CANNOT convince my friends to buy AMD ...............

[Bluga]

Several of my friends came to me today and asked for advice on purchasing new computer. I recommended them AMD/Intel P3. One guy asked for P3 800, and i said that would cost around $200. Then he said that's pretty expensive. I said ya you can get AMD 800 for half price. But he replied more expensive cpu must be better! Than another guy asked for P4, i told him the performance of P4 isn't good now and adviced him to wait until next year when DDR and 0.13 micron come out. But he said how can intel release a cpu performing worse than P3 ?!

I guess "normal" people just don't get it.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm anxious to see how high my little $68 dollar 650 Tburd overclocks.

 

[Cosmic_Horror]

its all about advertising...

a friends dad went out and bought a P3 733Mhz a few months ago.. intel's pentium 3 was the only cpu name he recongised so he got a computer based on it...

 

[BenSkywalker]

Average "people" are too used to everything else.

Say you fell into a coma for two years, when you woke up I asked you name the fastest car available(without seeing anything about current models), odds are you would say something like Ferrari and be pretty d@mn close.

Same goes with TVs, stereos, heck, even washing machines and dishwashers.

The computer industry is very unique in this aspect. What was a year ago doesn't mean anything, six months ago for that matter most of the time. Technology moves so fast in the PC industry that unless you keep on top of it, there is no way you would know who is what.

If you went into a coma in late '98 and woke up today and were asked who made the fastest vid card and CPU, without being able to log on line and check the resources you know(though the average person wouldn't), you would likely say 3dfx and Intel, despite AMD and nVidia claiming both titles. No other industry sees the kind of shake up that we are used to, let alone seeing it every few months.

Look at Porsche, they target children, young teens and younger, with their advertising. Why? To make them an object of desire. Odds are that when that youngster grows up Porsche is still going to make a very nice performance car. Can you imagine that tactic being used in the PC industry? Incomprehensible.

 

[Clocker]

Unfortunately AMD still has not erased the stygma associated with their past in regards to their poor FPU performance and compatability. It will take more time for mainstream computer users to realize AMDS strengths. Afterall, even though Intel makes a more expensive cpu that in most cases does not perform better than AMDs chips in the same MHZ range; I still remember the Intel guys in colorful suits touting their MMX and later SSE instructions as the big wave of the future.

Does anyone remeber a great AMD commerical-I think not? What up wit dat?

Sincerely,
Clocker

 

[X14]

There ain't no such thang as a 650 TB.

 

[Bluga]

I guess it's just like Nike and McDonald spoon feed method of advertising.

 

[Siddhartha]

When coworkers ask me to spec a system, which will be used for websurfing and Microsoft Office, for them I usually recommend an Intel system and an AMD system that is 200 mHz faster and better equipped for the same price.

I tell them that:
A. Both systems will meet their current needs.
B. They will probably not have to upgrade the AMD system as soon as the Intel.
C. They get better performance with AMD.
D. I have used 4 Intel systems and 4 AMD systems and I had not had any problems with either chips.

They usually choose Intel.

I have decided that they are making their choice based on religious beliefs or ignorance.

 

[Moonbeam]

X14, please take a look at the fourth item from the bottom in the right hand column here, and tell me if it's a mistake or fraud. I have been wondering about this.

 

[Huma]

looks like fraud to me.

 

[Enigma]

Fraud, unless AMD used some defective 700's and relabeled them 650's

 

[TheCorm]

Intel are so well advertised, as AMD continue to take market share though I reckon we will see the equivalent of Intels strange blokes jummping on long green blocks than make noises.

Intel have been shown that they are not the best, they probably feel less comfortable than they do back in 5x86 cpu days.

AMD need to get going more in the mobile market.

Bluga, if you friends don't listen to your recommendations, give them a bit of a kick and direct them to Anandtech's cpu benchmark pages.

Corm

 

[Spook]

Does it seem to everyone else, that every time AMD seems to 'Get it right' Intel makes a shift to Its next generation of processors... dating all the way back to say the 386... AMD perfected and release the 386-40... Intel quits the 386 line, and moves to 486... AMD gets that right, and takes it all the way to 486-133... Intel Shifts to Pentium... AMD gets that right, with the k6-233... Intel moves to the PII.... AMD doesn't get that right with the K6-2, and intel doesn't really shift either, there was so little difference with the PII and PIII... Now, its kind of interesting, AMD has the Pentium beat on its own turf, and ahhh Intel shifts again to the PIV... Only thing is, that this thing is a bigger looser, than their previous releases.. We will see what happens from here... I can see Intel redesigning the PIV core, and giving 512k of cache...

 

[A2KLAU]

My friend is getting a P4 1.5GHz even though all the U.K computer magazines say it is more rubbish than a 1.2 GHz T-Bird! He is stupid! The reason why he is getting a P4?! He likes the name and the speed it can go up to. Stupid don't you think? I tld him to get a T-Bird and oc much better value and the like but oh no 'I like P4 I like P4...' He does not know ANYTHING about PCs and he is trying to build his own, from the specs I have heard from him, a SUPER computer. About a gig or DDR SDRam, 70 odd giger HHD, and 64MB AGP, and finally a P4 1.5GHz. He is a dumb guy I swear! He could have saved alot of money if he got a T-Bird!

SKY.

 

[gittyup]

You just can't beat the price and performance of AMD. My 2 cents. Besides, it is always nice to give the new guy some money instead of Intel.

 

[MSNY]

Quote:

I guess "normal" people just don't get it.

No, it's about being informative and doing the research. They would get it if they took the time to check out the details in advanced computer tech. That's why they call us "nerds" because we do the research. Also it is also part advertising hype agreed. But no one can deny that if you could time line computer tech by processor and say video card performance over the last say 3 years the advancements are astounding. Moore's law says every 6 months we can expect chip tech to get smaller and faster.

As a systems analyst/programmer the company I work for has spent 2 million dollars in 3 years to get these advancements. No one in the business world today could go back to a 486 else we would be out of business. Knowledge is power today. There are the haves and the have nots even in the tech world.

AMD or Intel...who cares just do the research and get what best fits your needs. Others who do not get taken to the cleaners with there ignorance. The business world has always worked this way even before computers.

My 2 cents/

 

[robg1701]

There is a T-Bird 650. It is a part OEM system builders, i have seen quite a few advertised, and have a review from a UK magazine of such a system, which was still available up to a few months ago. It was a SlotA chip that ive seen.

 

[Tominator]

I've stuck with Intel since I got burned by VIA motherboards of the Super7 variety. VIA SUCKED....the driver support and incompatablities were legend.

I still see an inordinate amount of problems with VIA mbs.

Every Intel system I build is solid as a rock.

I'll agree the General Public is grossly misinformed, but to dismiss Intel as not performing only shows personal bias.

Who wants to go around cutting pins, etc....Not me!

 

[Renob]

I think you should hide out side your friends house and snip him when he walks out. take out his knee caps then run over and beat him till he chants AMD AMD AMD

 

[PlatinumGold]

"My friend is getting a P4 1.5GHz even though all the U.K computer magazines say it is more rubbish than a 1.2 GHz T-Bird! He is stupid! The reason why he is getting a P4?! He likes the name and the speed it can go up to. Stupid don't you think? I tld him to get a T-Bird and oc much better value and the like but oh no 'I like P4 I like P4...' He does not know ANYTHING about PCs and he is trying to build his own, from the specs I have heard from him, a SUPER computer. About a gig or DDR SDRam, 70 odd giger HHD, and 64MB AGP, and finally a P4 1.5GHz. He is a dumb guy I swear! He could have saved alot of money if he got a T-Bird!"

Did I miss something? I thought the P4 only used rambus ram.

 

[viper007]

I have seen it and sold stuff to people with those thoughts on Intel gear.
I used to care, but now I simply don't give a "CRAP" its there money and why on earth should I give a stuff!
I have had arguments after arguments and its just not worth it for me!

It's all ignorance, period! Intel have done a very good job with the "Pentium" Name. I am personally sick of it, and they should of called the "P4" something different!

 

[RC5Bri]

I know exactly what you are talking about! My dad has a P3 500MHz and he wants to get a new computer in the next couple of months. The first thing that he said was "I'll probably get a P4". So I told him that the P4 sux, and not to waste his money. Whenever I read reviews of the P4, I make sure to tell him how it failed against an AMD. I think he might be getting the point.

I currently have a bp6, dual celeron 366@561, and am pretty pleased with it. If/when I upgrade it, I doubt that I will go to the VP6, dual P3, an instead opt for an AMD. The have a good price and performance.

 

[Gepost]

Wouldn't AMD be smart to spend some money advertising during the Super Bowl? A really unique ad that people remember. Maybe a punch like that would put Intel on the mat, or at least give them a bloody nose.

 

[A2KLAU]

I don't know thats what he told me? Well he must be more stupid that I thought! I only use AMDs so I don't know what Ram the P4 uses. But hee hee I wouldn't mind seeing the look on his face when his computer won't start becasue he bought the wrong ram! He thinks that he is smart though... Thats the stupid thing about it! And that is the main point I am getting at!

SKY.

Sorry if my Intel skills are not so hot!

 

[WetSprocket]

I get this all the time too. Whenever someone asks me to build them an Intel system I just jack up the price cause I know they dont know what they are doing. As long as the customer is satisfied I have no problems with it. I get more request for an 810 celeron than anything. Goes to show you what the general population really looks for.