I am usually against the death penalty

[yobarman]

What a peice of trash. Let this guy rot away in jail. The death pentaly would be better though because knowing the justice system hell be out in 20 years.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
I could without a doubt, put a 9mm hydroshock round between his eyes and not lose sleep over it.

I'd be wracked with horrible nightmares of him having a quick and merciful death.

Public stoning, I say.

- M4H

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

As horrible as this is, it is conceivable he didn't know he was dragging the kid. Not that that's any defense of what he knowingly did, or that he's a piece of trash that the world would probably be better off being rid of.

 

[Moonbeam]

Yeeny:

Moonbeam, usually I agree with you. I am one of the most compassionate people there is, usually. But as a mother, when someone does something like this? It makes me think what if that were my child, and that fills me with an anger and fear that I cannot even put into words. I could pull the switch myself, because knowing what he did not only to that child, but to that entire family... ugh.

And no, I was not tortured as a child. I had an awesome childhood, with great parents. Just, sometimes, I am human, and feel those damn things called emotions.
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Yeah, I know how you feel. It's not much fun to take the opposite side of this and especially in your thread, but even though we have human emotions, we need to temper them with human understanding. It's all well and good to hoop and holler about how we want this guy to suffer like the suffering he caused, but just look at all the repressed hatred his act brings to the surface. He are only a heartbeat away from being just like him. He comes along and makes us feel what he feels. He brings our hate right to the surface. He is only different in that he acted on it without apparent provocation.

But that is where we are blind. Unless you really believe that God mad this man a monster, there has to be an explanation as to how he cam to manifest the kind of disregard for life he manifested. There isn't, I don't think, another way to understand him than to assume that he experienced as a child the complete destruction of his human self and that what he grew up surviving on was his hate and desire for payback. While you think you may have had a nice childhood, where do you think your feelings came from. We differ in degree but not in kind. The line that separates us from him is in his acting out. As soon as he does we feel justified to express the exact same feelings as he did. We want to drag him to death, etc etc etc.

I don't care about him and I don't mean to insult those who want payback. We are all the same. I wish to point out that the repressed violence we carry from childhood is the violence that manifests in our society, leaks out in our lives and culture, all over the place. There is no sane feeling for this man than profound pity. He needs to be separated from society. He is deeply ill, but to spit on him is to spit of the feelings he expressed and acted out. We do that at our peril. As long as we feign to hate him, we fail to see how we hate the one inside us who is just like him. We maintain the fiction that we are different, not filled with hate, not ill. In that way we suppress our violence and allow it to leak our on our kids. In that way we preserve the sickness of our society and insure more people like this sad individual.

The odd think about the catch 22 we are in is that in order to see how badly we feel about ourselves, in order to admit how much we hate ourselves, it helps to be on the end of the spectrum that was least damaged. The better your childhood actually was, the easier it is to see how much a nightmare it really was. When I said I was tortured as a child, I of course meant that those who are filled with hate were. I had a wonderful childhood too, much better than most, I know. Hehe. But if you open the door to your feelings, prepare for a surprise. I can't prove anything, but I know.

The one advantage extreme people have is that it's easier for them to cross the barrier and get in tough with what they feel. In so many their feelings are just below the surface. They have a chance to see the truth more easily than the comfortably settled, but because they may be more severely traumatized they may have a tougher time seeing it was all a lie.

Anyway, we are lost without an understanding of how we are yet we really don't want to know. Makes things very tough. Sorry.

 

[Yeeny]

99% of the time, I am in total agreement with what you just said Moonbeam. But when it comes to children, I am just too passionate to think straight, I admit it. Things like this, make me feel ways that I never thought I could.

But at least I know I'm not the total wussy tree hugger that some of the people here have called me in the past, right?

😉

 

[Moonbeam]

But at least I know I'm not the total wussy tree hugger that some of the people here have called me in the past, right?
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That's true. 😀

It's just that no matter how hard we hate, we can't undo a single thing. There is only crucifixion and grief. It hurts to be alive and to love.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27
I've said it before, I'll say it again:

Intentionally killing a child should be a capital crime with an automatic death penalty

The death penalty is too soft a punishment for such scumbags - should be torn apart limb from limb.

Worst crime in my book bar none - harming children.

My heart goes out to the parents.

 

[iwearnosox]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
But at least I know I'm not the total wussy tree hugger that some of the people here have called me in the past, right?
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That's true. 😀

It's just that no matter how hard we hate, we can't undo a single thing. There is only crucifixion and grief. It hurts to be alive and to love.

I'm always on the hunt for life's undo button. I haven't found it yet. 😀