I am upgrading to a Q9650 from my e7200.

[Serradifalco]

I can purchase a Q9650 at Chiefvalue.com right now for $315.00 ater a $10.00 coupon code. I will sell my e7200 on eBay for $80.00, so my net cost will be $235.00. I am going to skip over the initial launch of i7 as it is not cost effective enough for the amount of performance increase.

Anyway, my question is: Is the ram in my sig good enough to get the Q9650 to 3.6Ghz?From the reviews I have seen, that is when the Q9650 starts to shine.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yes, Q9650 @ 400x9=3600, RAM divider will run 1:1 (400:400)

 

[Gillbot]

Yes, you should be fine with that ram if you use a 1:1 CPU:memory ratio.

The Q9650 is stock 333 x 9 for 2.997GHz, 400x9 would yield 3.6GHz and your ram (according to your sig) is PC2-6400 which is 400FSB rated.

 

[Serradifalco]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Yes, Q9650 @ 400x9=3600, RAM divider will run 1:1 (400:400)

Thank you! Will the Q9650 run hotter than my e7200?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Originally posted by: Serradifalco

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Yes, Q9650 @ 400x9=3600, RAM divider will run 1:1 (400:400)

Thank you! Will the Q9650 run hotter tha my e7200?

They're both 45nm so cooler running to start. The Q9650 has 4 cores compared to 2, so you may see a temp increase depending on your setup (ie case, cooling, room temps). bottom line, it won't be anything that will matter compared to the performance boost!

 

[Serradifalco]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z

Originally posted by: Serradifalco

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Yes, Q9650 @ 400x9=3600, RAM divider will run 1:1 (400:400)

Thank you! Will the Q9650 run hotter tha my e7200?

They're both 45nm so cooler running to start. The Q9650 has 4 cores compared to 2, so you may see a temp increase depending on your setup (ie case, cooling, room temps). bottom line, it won't be anything that will matter compared to the performance boost!

Thanks again! I have a good case with 6 fans and good airflow. I also have a good cooler. The room never gets too warm. We have central a/c. It sounds like I am good to go!

 

[ch33zw1z]

Originally posted by: Serradifalco

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z

Originally posted by: Serradifalco

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Yes, Q9650 @ 400x9=3600, RAM divider will run 1:1 (400:400)

Thank you! Will the Q9650 run hotter tha my e7200?

They're both 45nm so cooler running to start. The Q9650 has 4 cores compared to 2, so you may see a temp increase depending on your setup (ie case, cooling, room temps). bottom line, it won't be anything that will matter compared to the performance boost!

Thanks again! I have a good case with 6 fans and good airflow. I also have a good cooler. The room never gets too warm. We have central a/c. It sounds like I am good to go!

I love my E8400, I hope to go to a 9650 eventually. I'm jealous

 

[Phunk0ne]

see my sig...
expect for 1 difference, my Q9650 runs @ 3.6GHz @ 1.25V in Bios.
my cpu runs 58C @ IBT max stress test
my case only has 1 fan for exhaust en 2 fans for intake @ HD bays. Idle it sits @ 30C
in comparison, my Q9550 C1 ran hotter @ same speed due to higher voltage requirement @ 3.6 than my Q9650 (1.2950V in Bios).

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Yes, Q9650 @ 400x9=3600, RAM divider will run 1:1 (400:400)

^ what he said.

 

[Serradifalco]

Originally posted by: Phunk0ne
see my sig...
expect for 1 difference, my Q9650 runs @ 3.6GHz @ 1.25V in Bios.
my cpu runs 58C @ IBT max stress test
my case only has 1 fan for exhaust en 2 fans for intake @ HD bays. Idle it sits @ 30C
in comparison, my Q9550 C1 ran hotter @ same speed due to higher voltage requirement @ 3.6 than my Q9650 (1.2950V in Bios).

Cool! Overall, how do you like your Q9650?

 

[Phunk0ne]

it's not the coldest cpu I have had in my history of overclocking, but it sure is one cold quad in terms of temps. I never expected the temps to be so low @ such speeds. But I am going to finetune @ 3.6 to see what the minimum volts are to have it stable @ IBT Max.

I made a mistake with max temps during stress. It actually sits around 48C @ IBT max stress . So more then plenty enough room to reach 4GHz, which is my goal for upcoming weekend =D

side note:
I had the Q9550 C1 on the same P35-DS3R about a month ago, and it ran like a charm @ 3.4

 

[PhlashFoto]

My Q9650 runs great at 4GHz @ 53-55C load.

 

[Dadofamunky]

48C under load? You're in good shape for more. ELopes has a very sweet setup. Those 9650s are very tempting. One is probably in my future.

 

[n7]

Q9650 @ 4.1 GHz 1.25v
If i was using a better board or not running 8 GB, it'd be doing more.

Your RAM is fine.
Your temps will certainly go up, but you need little vcore to get these OCed decently.

You'll love the upgrade.

 

[blackpanther26]

Originally posted by: n7
Q9650 @ 4.1 GHz 1.25v
If i was using a better board or not running 8 GB, it'd be doing more.

Your RAM is fine.
Your temps will certainly go up, but you need little vcore to get these OCed decently.

You'll love the upgrade.

Wow low voltage. How did you get that low of a voltage? I need 1.32v to run at 4GHz.

 

[blackpanther26]

yes you should be good to go at 3.6GHz

 

[Serradifalco]

Originally posted by: n7
Q9650 @ 4.1 GHz 1.25v
If i was using a better board or not running 8 GB, it'd be doing more.

Your RAM is fine.
Your temps will certainly go up, but you need little vcore to get these OCed decently.

You'll love the upgrade.

Nice oc on the your ram! We have similar systems. I should be able to achieve similar results. BTW I ordered the cpu on Wednesday. I will have it this coming Monday. I wish I could have had it for the weekend. I will post my preliminary results some time next week.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: blackpanther26
Wow low voltage. How did you get that low of a voltage? I need 1.32v to run at 4GHz.

I needed 1.4v for my Q9550 to get 4 GHz.

My Q9650 needs little vcore, but it runs hotter than most.
Pretty much how it works for lower VID chips. (Mine's 1.15v)

They don't use much vcore, but run warmer.
The higher VID ones run cool, but need more vcore.

Originally posted by: Serradifalco
Nice oc on the your ram! We have similar systems. I should be able to achieve similar results. BTW I ordered the cpu on Wednesday. I will have it this coming Monday. I wish I could have had it for the weekend. I will post my preliminary results some time next week.

Heh, RAM can do more than DDR2-912.
It does around DDR2-1050 w/ 8 GB, or if i wasn't doing 4 DIMMs, DDR2-1080 would be doable...not really impressive, but it's older PSC.

You can like do similar with your RAM if you loosen to CAS 5.

Your biggest issue will be your board.

It'll be the limiting factor for your Q9650, as it's lacking in GTL tuning, etc, & if it's anything like my friends (has same Gigabyte), has horrible vdroop.

 

[blackpanther26]

I was able to boot at 1.15v with my Q9650 and now to stress it. I think mine is also 1.15v

 

[Serradifalco]

Originally posted by: blackpanther26
I was able to boot at 1.15v with my Q9650 and now to stress it. I think mine is also 1.15v

What mb and ram do you have?

 

[Dadofamunky]

I'm pretty sure I could squeeze out another 100 MHz if I ran only 4 GB of RAM. But if I switched to a quad, I'd get an established ATX board and migrate to an ATX case. I'm a little disenchanted with microATX just because it leaves a bit to be desired in terms of flexibility (not the best air cooling HSFs, etc...) I'm very happy with what I've got, but its' great to see Intel dropped the prices so drastically on the Yorkvilles.

 

[Serradifalco]

********Update********


I installed the cpu tonight. 3.6Ghz is a no-brainer. I ran Intel Burn Test maximum stress 5 times with no errors. Bios @ 1.225v and CPUID @ 1.184v. Idle temps are in the very low 30s. 50 under Intel Burn Test maximum stress! I plan on trying for 4Ghz. I will keep you posted.

 

[Serradifalco]

********Update 2********


I now have it at 3.9ghz! I had to loosen my memory timings to 5-5-5-16. Bios @ 1.250v and CPUID @ 1.200v. Idle temps are in the very low 30s still. Low 50s under Intel Burn Test maximum stress! I can't get to 4Ghz yet. I will keep you posted.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: n7
My Q9650 needs little vcore, but it runs hotter than most.
Pretty much how it works for lower VID chips. (Mine's 1.15v)

They don't use much vcore, but run warmer.
The higher VID ones run cool, but need more vcore.

:X

actually its not like that. Its still all luck in the draw on how much heat your chip will generate.

And also relative on how leaky it is.

The perfect crusher to your statement is the all glory Q6600 G0.
Lower Vids Overclocked better, because they generated less heat.

Yorkfield E0 doesnt like a lot of voltage. If you feed it too much voltage, the chip will refuse to boot in some cases.

I think of the kentsfield B3 as a fat opera singer, and the yorkfield E0 would be a russian ballerina.

Oh man... wait til you guys go i7 and here comes big momma. :X

Originally posted by: Serradifalco
********Update 2********


I now have it at 3.9ghz! I had to loosen my memory timings to 5-5-5-16. Bios @ 1.250v and CPUID @ 1.200v. Idle temps are in the very low 30s still. Low 50s under Intel Burn Test maximum stress! I can't get to 4Ghz yet. I will keep you posted.

You probably need 1.3 or more PLL. Id personally ram it up to 1.3 b4 monkeying with PLL.

 

[n7]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
:X

actually its not like that. Its still all luck in the draw on how much heat your chip will generate.

And also relative on how leaky it is.

The perfect crusher to your statement is the all glory Q6600 G0.
Lower Vids Overclocked better, because they generated less heat.

Yorkfield E0 doesnt like a lot of voltage. If you feed it too much voltage, the chip will refuse to boot in some cases.

I think of the kentsfield B3 as a fat opera singer, and the yorkfield E0 would be a russian ballerina.

Oh man... wait til you guys go i7 and here comes big momma. :X

I was referring to E0s vs. E0s or G0s vs. G0s, not G0 vs. B3.
I.e., the same steppings, not completely different revisions; of course those will be different.


In my experience as well as what i've observed from others (particularly on XS, etc.), lower VID chips do tend to run hotter than higher VID ones.
But with better cooling, due to the lower voltage that tends to be needed, you can achieve better OCs, assuming you can keep heat down.

I had two E6600s.
"F" batch ran cool, higher VID
"B" batch ran hot, lower VID, clocked far higher though.

Q6700 G0 ran cool; higher VID
QX6850 G0 ran very warm; lower VID; clocked higher.

Q9550 E0 ran cooler; higher VID
Q9650 E0 runs hot; lower VID, clocks up on way less vcore.

Obviously, there is luck involved, but with two of the same stepping CPUs, chances are, the lower VID one will run hotter, but if temps can be kept in check, it will also clock higher.