China makes good money selling weapons and supplies to Sudan and other powers in conflict-ridden parts of Africa.
China makes good money selling weapons and supplies to Sudan and other powers in conflict-ridden parts of Africa.
dainthomas
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Actually the UN is there. What they did is send the AU troops some blue helmets to wear. Then they went ahead and gave them absolutely no extra manpower, weapons, or other supplies. Then in ten years they'll lament what a horrible tragedy this whole situation was. They'll also probably indict a few mid-level goons for crimes against humanity or something.
Well, Russia and China's official response is something along the lines of it's an internal affair in which we should not get involved. As much as I hate the Bush administration and its human rights violations in Guantanamo Bay, America is trying to push the UN to do the right thing in Darfur and Zimbabwe. It's scary to think how the world will look like if China becomes the next superpower and moral authority. China cares far more about impressing its own citizens then it does about looking good on the world stage despite the Olympics. So, as long as they keep profiting, they are unlikely to care.
hydroponik
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If it were Muslims doing this to Christians or Jews, people would be lambasting the religion left and right. These are Christians committing atrocities against Muslims and no one mentions religion at all.
Jeff7
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Interesting commentary. And mention of Hitler - I'm sure a lot of his followers believed on some level that what they were doing was either right or necessary. To many people have a tendency, or even desire, to blindly follow a leader, as if doing so somehow makes those people themselves feel powerful in some way. And once you're in the thick of it, you dare not do anything to stop the atrocities, lest you find yourself alongside your former victims.
I hope that some day in the distant future, we are finally able to eradicate our savagery and animal roots from our genetic makeup. There was a time, long ago, when those instincts served us well, and enabled us to survive, though even then, no doubt, they led to similar acts of violence against our own kind. It's worse now because we have the ability to more efficiently kill more people, and the population density of the planet is higher, meaning that there are more potential victims in a smaller area.
Some day, I hope we'll see progress. Maybe in 500 years. Maybe in a thousand. Some day.
Ditto, we are nothing more than really smart animals. When times are good, it's easy for us to sit here and judge others, but in their situation, I'm sure most of us here would behave just as cruelly. Maybe one day we'll be able to truly improve ourselves, but for now the potential for savagery is still in all of us.
It's an interesting topic. I don't think the people on this forum are really representative of the population as a whole. I know that by "we" you just meant Americans or whatever, but I just wanted to throw that out there. Perhaps in their situation, most of the people on this forum would indeed have acted differently.
I'm not so sure, reading some of the things people say here, but then again we can only guess at the proportions. But I think you are right in that people here probably would fare better, as we tend to be more rational and less compelled by base instincts. I certainly can't see myself being so cruel to even enemies, but then you never know, do you?
Colt45
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It went both ways in Bosnia. Christian - Muslim, Muslim - Christian, Christian - Christian. The west likes to make Serbia out as the bad guy though...
But that's besides the point, there is a huge problem with human trafficking and forced prostitution in europe today, without war. People are cruel... I can only imagine it's much more of a problem in dumpy 3rd world outfits with poor policing...
I'm assuming that environment and culture also have a role in this sort of thing occurring. So basically, I'm making the claim this is more likely to occur in some places than in others, beyond the fact that we're "just humans." That's why I felt the need to restrict what "we" meant; although, I grant that I'm not entirely sure if that's what the poster I quoted was referring to.
I'm not denying that nations are human constructs, but borders can still have great significance, i.e. the cultural and economic differences across the US-Mexico border or the India-China border. Borders based on geography aren't arbitrary either.
Inspector Jihad
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its more than that...china has put tons and tons of money into sudan to secure natural resources. destabilizing the gov't is not in their interest.
Inspector Jihad
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China might be climbing towards superpower status but it has a long way to go to get to where the US and Western Europe are. Our influence isn't going away anytime soon.
Presumably he did as a decorated war hero. But that is not generally considered cruel in the intended context. Indeed, by all accounts he was a caring and gentle man: loved children and animals, vegetarian, appreciated fine arts (and was a painter himself); and was not a glutton, smoker, or drinker either.
Such policy may appear brutal but objectively those responsible act out of defensive self-preservation. Cruelty on the micro level is another matter because it is not then about natural competition but deranged personal power.
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