I am this close to driving down to fremont...

[mcvickj]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: mcvickj
I am surprised that either company is giving you the time of day. Both products work straight out of the box. No where do they guarantee overclocking success. Stop being a cheap and buying low end gear expecting high end performance.

Um, are you retarded? If you buy PC4000 memory modules, meaning they're RATED at PC4000 speeds, I expect them to RUN at those speeeds. And for the motherboard, the way I see it is they're not working because the RMA boards I get back are simply RMA boards that others sent in because they didn't work either. I know you're thinking I'm whiny for expecting an overclock but you need to admit though that a certain percentage overclock IS expected. I don't see why the board should be a limting factor as cheaper, crappier boards on many others' systems run at higher speeds. Hell other boards of the same model aren't having issues on others' systems.

Funny thing is that every board I've recieved or used had their own, obvious defect such as burning out HDD LEDs, messed up temp probes, or now not working at all. It's a bit annoying that there are members on this forum who act like lawyers..

Fixed, I meant to say HDD LEDs, the hard drives aren't getting burnt out...

Wrong. When I buy hardware I don't expect it to overclock. I personally don't know of anyone who goes out buying hardware just to overclock it and then bitch at the manufacture because it isn't running at speeds it wasn't intended to do. If you want a high end rig then buy the components that will give you the performance your looking for.

There is a large base of people who enjoy overclocking. Squeezing as much performance as possible out of their rig. But they also what works and what doesn't. When to back off.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: dullard

Originally posted by: goku
I don't need a desktop.
It's the principle of the thing
I already have a job
I already have plenty of money
I'm still going to be pissed and never forgive myself as I've spent a lot of time and money on this system only for it to last for 2 years..
If this was a car, would lemon law apply?

It was your choice to spend 300 hours to save ~$100 in parts by overclocking. It was your choice to run the computer in a state that dramatically shortens its lifespan. Yes, you deserve to be pissed. You deserve to be pissed at yourself.

Lemon laws for cars don't apply to people driving a fully functioning Civic at 125 mph through residential areas and then complaining when the Civic can't handle the corners and eventually crashes.

Its not like any of the parts have failed, I'm just upgrading it to keep it up to date and it's not working, thats the real issue at hand. The problem is, my upgrade isn't working when it's supposed to.

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: BooGiMaN
ooooh i bet abit is quaking in their boots think you MIGHT drive down there...

by the way is there anything in the motherboard's literature that guarantees the over clocked speeds you want...

btw isnt overclocking so 80's or 90's

LoL. IC7 sounds like hte old northwood days. He can definitely OC that shizzle.

Yes, it indeed is, I have my trusty 2.8C with me..

Originally posted by: mcvickj

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: mcvickj
I am surprised that either company is giving you the time of day. Both products work straight out of the box. No where do they guarantee overclocking success. Stop being a cheap and buying low end gear expecting high end performance.

Um, are you retarded? If you buy PC4000 memory modules, meaning they're RATED at PC4000 speeds, I expect them to RUN at those speeeds. And for the motherboard, the way I see it is they're not working because the RMA boards I get back are simply RMA boards that others sent in because they didn't work either. I know you're thinking I'm whiny for expecting an overclock but you need to admit though that a certain percentage overclock IS expected. I don't see why the board should be a limting factor as cheaper, crappier boards on many others' systems run at higher speeds. Hell other boards of the same model aren't having issues on others' systems.

Funny thing is that every board I've recieved or used had their own, obvious defect such as burning out HDD LEDs, messed up temp probes, or now not working at all. It's a bit annoying that there are members on this forum who act like lawyers..

Fixed, I meant to say HDD LEDs, the hard drives aren't getting burnt out...

Wrong. When I buy hardware I don't expect it to overclock. I personally don't know of anyone who goes out buying hardware just to overclock it and then bitch at the manufacture because it isn't running at speeds it wasn't intended to do. If you want a high end rig then buy the components that will give you the performance your looking for.

There is a large base of people who enjoy overclocking. Squeezing as much performance as possible out of their rig. But they also what works and what doesn't. When to back off.

Well considering that the techs I've dealt with agree with every point I've made (Mushkin and Abit) and they see that what I've been requesting HASN'T been unreasonable, you guys have no ground. All I can say though is that quality has slipped up and because they're seemingly discontinued parts, they can't give me new parts that work.

 

[TG2]

All the time and money youve spent shipping RMA items back and forth , you coulda bought a better board, or sold the memory and upgraded to newer hardware.

Overclocks arent gaurenteed, did the mobo run at 200fsb, +/- 10% ?

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: TG2
All the time and money youve spent shipping RMA items back and forth , you coulda bought a better board, or sold the memory and upgraded to newer hardware.

Not all overclocks arent gaurenteed, did the mobo run at 200fsb, +/- 10% ?

Agreed, but this one IS guaranteed. Considering what is going for this system, there isn't an excuse for the poor clocks. I don't need you guys to tell me what is expected overclock and what isn't. For all those who didn't have an IC7-G with a 2.4C/2.8C processor or an Asus P4P800 class board, you don't have a right to criticize my complaints.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

I don't know what's with all the negative comments.

The only reason that companies like Abit or DFI exist is because they target overclockers and enthusiasts. Abit can't say, "Well, it works stock and we made no guarantees" - they can, technically, but they would be pissing off their primary customer base. Ditto with Mushkin: if they say the RAM works at PC4000, it better do so. And if an IC7 can't do sh!t, something has to be pretty f'ed up.

And for the record, OCing doesn't reduce component lifespan by any significant measure, unless you are over-overvolting your components like an idiot. And OCing has nothing to do with being cheap: check the forums where people overclock X6800s and their SLI/Crossfire rigs.

You guys are just hating on goku because he's...goku.

 

[BooGiMaN]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: TG2
All the time and money youve spent shipping RMA items back and forth , you coulda bought a better board, or sold the memory and upgraded to newer hardware.

Not all overclocks arent gaurenteed, did the mobo run at 200fsb, +/- 10% ?

Agreed, but this one IS guaranteed. Considering what is going for this system, there isn't an excuse for the poor clocks. I don't need you guys to tell me what is expected overclock and what isn't. For all those who didn't have an IC7-G with a 2.4C/2.8C processor or an Asus P4P800 class board, you don't have a right to criticize my complaints.

since when do we not have the right to comment and disagree with what someonw posts on this board?

 

[blakeatwork]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: dullard
Let me get this straight.
1) You are overclocking your memory outside the specs of the motherboard.
2) It doesn't work well.
3) You blame the motherboard manufacturer.
4) You RMA the motherboard multiple times, never once learning that you are pushing it too far.
5) You want to drive down to the motherboard manufacturer and test a bunch of boards (discontinued by the way, so they probably don't have any there) until you find a board that can perform outside of its specs?

Overclocking is great for free performance boosts. Cheaper products at the performance of expensive products is a good thing. However, as soon as the overclocking performance boosts cost far more in time, money, and effort than just buying the faster item, then you are a moron.

It's hardly 'outside' of it's specs considering that it's considered a 'overclockers board', is known for overclocking at 1:1 272mhz and also up to 400mhz. I'm not expecting clocks that high but it should with out a doubt work at 250mhz and the rep on the phone didn't disagree with me either so this is pretty frustrating, what really gets me is that the mushkin support guy was testing the modules on an 865pe MSI board which was very cheap/crappy and low end at the time and still is (lots of features on the board didn't work) and it was able to test at 1:1 250mhz stable according to mushkin and tested all the way up to 275mhz 1:1 stable as well.

heh, be sure to point out in the motherboard manual where it says you should be able to OC to 275... they'll love it when you point that out to them...

Seriously though, OC'ing is hit and miss... perhaps you did get some bad silicon, but if it works to spec, then you'll either have to buy a new board, or suck it up.

 

[Insane3D]

Jesus...what a whiny little b!tch you are.

I have had a Abit IS7 and 2.4C @ 3.4Ghz SITTING IN MY CLOSET for over a year. I'll tell you what...I'll mail it to you if you will just STFU and stop posting.

:roll:

 

[SlowSpyder]

I used to have a DFI LanParty and a mobile Athlon XP 2500+ back in the day... back then everyone and their mother could just drop the chip in, raise the voltage to 1.8 and set the system to 200mhz x 12. But, for whatever reason my CPU/MB would NOT run stable at anything other then the stock 133mhz x 14. I used a Thermaltake XP90Cu cooler, tried different memory, tried different power supplies, everything I could think of. It just wouldn't work. Sorry bud, but even overclocking components can only guarantee to work at the rated speed, everything else is a bonus. There are too many variables. Sell it and get a Core 2.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
I used to have a DFI LanParty and a mobile Athlon XP 2500+ back in the day... back then everyone and their mother could just drop the chip in, raise the voltage to 1.8 and set the system to 200mhz x 12. But, for whatever reason my CPU/MB would NOT run stable at anything other then the stock 133mhz x 14. I used a Thermaltake XP90Cu cooler, tried different memory, tried different power supplies, everything I could think of. It just wouldn't work. Sorry bud, but even overclocking components can only guarantee to work at the rated speed, everything else is a bonus. There are too many variables. Sell it and get a Core 2.

I woulda bitched and moaned if I were you... Bad PSU, bad board? Point being, I had a board that would run 250mhz 1:1 ratio, now I don't, I don't see how this is an unreasonable request.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Jesus...what a whiny little b!tch you are.

I have had a Abit IS7 and 2.4C @ 3.4Ghz SITTING IN MY CLOSET for over a year. I'll tell you what...I'll mail it to you if you will just STFU and stop posting.

:roll:

This post wins the thread. Honestly, I don't understand how someone can have so many problems with what's arguably the best P4 board ever made. I've worked w/ several IS7/IC7's for friends and family and pushed them all to at least respectable clocks without even blinking.

I had a ridiculous conflict w/ my Seasonic PSU and DFI board. It was stupid and frustrating, but I switched PSU's, sold the Seasonic and moved on with life.


My friend's take on it:

he should have just bought other ram or something, from the 300 man hours he spent on it he could have easily bought more even if he was only payed min wage
at min wage he woul have $2375
lol

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Jesus...what a whiny little b!tch you are.

I have had a Abit IS7 and 2.4C @ 3.4Ghz SITTING IN MY CLOSET for over a year. I'll tell you what...I'll mail it to you if you will just STFU and stop posting.

:roll:

i'll send him threatening emails telling him to stop posting if you send it to me

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: GoodRevrnd

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Jesus...what a whiny little b!tch you are.

I have had a Abit IS7 and 2.4C @ 3.4Ghz SITTING IN MY CLOSET for over a year. I'll tell you what...I'll mail it to you if you will just STFU and stop posting.

:roll:

This post wins the thread. Honestly, I don't understand how someone can have so many problems with what's arguably the best P4 board ever made. I've worked w/ several IS7/IC7's for friends and family and pushed them all to at least respectable clocks without even blinking.

I had a ridiculous conflict w/ my Seasonic PSU and DFI board. It was stupid and frustrating, but I switched PSU's, sold the Seasonic and moved on with life.


My friend's take on it:

he should have just bought other ram or something, from the 300 man hours he spent on it he could have easily bought more even if he was only payed min wage
at min wage he woul have $2375
lol

I already have a job, just because I spent time on it, doesn't mean I should have spent that time working because then the 'free time' where I wasn't working, I still woulda been spent working on this. Basically what you guys are saying that if something stops working that I should give up.. :roll:

 

[bigrash]

Originally posted by: Insane3D
Jesus...what a whiny little b!tch you are.

I have had a Abit IS7 and 2.4C @ 3.4Ghz SITTING IN MY CLOSET for over a year. I'll tell you what...I'll mail it to you if you will just STFU and stop posting.

:roll:

haha

 

[intogamer]

This is what happens when a company doesn't go mainstream with Nvidia Chipsets for their AMD boards

98% Sales fell. Abit had to sell parts of their factories in Taiwan to merge with cheaper 3rd parties