I Am Proud To Call Myself A Liberal

[Newell Steamer]

You are contradicting yourself. You are the one who said people are ignoring your posts.

Nope.

I am asking why people don't ignore my posts, since they are so bad.

Again, you suckers can't help yourselves,.. but, it's OK, it's not your fault for feeling like you have no control over your life and what you do with it,.. especially on the minor things in life; like my posts.

But, you can take baby steps and ignore my posts. THAT is some sort of control. And then you can apply that control on the other things you are upset for not being able to handle in life.

 

[nehalem256]

Spain is one of the worst hit of the European countries by the housing crisis so meh, they aren't doing too hot. As for the others, you still get a LOT more social benefits than are provided in the US. If you get sick in england it doesn't matter if you're on the Dole or have a high paying job, they make you better. I say that's worth a hell of a lot more than whatever bullshit excuse you will provide as to why we can't pay our citizens what they need to live.

Its easy yo be generous with other people's money.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Hey, if an birth certificate can't fool these guys,.. what hope do I have?

Then again, the birth certificate IS a government document. And, we all know that the government is not reliable and just full of lies,.. unless of course the government is doing something that I support and believe in.

Yes, because clearly every conservative believes that the birth certificate was a fake...amiright? Are you just pretending to be a retard or are you full-on retard?

 

[mnewsham]

Its easy yo be generous with other people's money.

Well when other people have 10,000 american employees working for them to make them BILLIONS of dollars, maybe every now and then they can pay some fucking taxes to help out the people who got them the money in the first place?

 

[schmuckley]

"Free from bondage to authority or creed"
aka: Their word is not worth 2 cents.

 

[Matt1970]

Spain is one of the worst hit of the European countries by the housing crisis so meh, they aren't doing too hot. As for the others, you still get a LOT more social benefits than are provided in the US. If you get sick in england it doesn't matter if you're on the Dole or have a high paying job, they make you better. I say that's worth a hell of a lot more than whatever bullshit excuse you will provide as to why we can't pay our citizens what they need to live.

Speaking of bullshit, did Spain have a massively higher minimum wage before the housing crisis? If not that's totally irrelevant.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Yes, because clearly every conservative believes that the birth certificate was a fake...amiright? Are you just pretending to be a retard or are you full-on retard?

,.. when in Rome,...

 

[Matt1970]

Nope.

I am asking why people don't ignore my posts, since they are so bad.

Again, you suckers can't help yourselves,.. but, it's OK, it's not your fault for feeling like you have no control over your life and what you do with it,.. especially on the minor things in life; like my posts.

But, you can take baby steps and ignore my posts. THAT is some sort of control. And then you can apply that control on the other things you are upset for not being able to handle in life.

Wow, you are starting to sound like Moonbeam's alt account.

 

[nehalem256]

Well when other people have 10,000 american employees working for them to make them BILLIONS of dollars, maybe every now and then they can pay some fucking taxes to help out the people who got them the money in the first place?

Pretty sure that the people "on the dole" didn't get them their money in the first place.:sneaky:

 

[Matt1970]

Yes, because clearly every conservative believes that the birth certificate was a fake...amiright? Are you just pretending to be a retard or are you full-on retard?

,.. when in Rome,...

There you have it.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Wow, you are starting to sound like Moonbeam's alt account.

I've been noticing this for quite some time now.

 

[mnewsham]

Speaking of bullshit, did Spain have a massively higher minimum wage before the housing crisis? If not that's totally irrelevant.

Not really the US is only a little better than spain itself, so it's still roughly on par with us...

 

[Vic]

Wow, you are starting to sound like Moonbeam's alt account.

His writing style doesn't look anything like Moonie's.

 

[mnewsham]

Pretty sure that the people "on the dole" didn't get them their money in the first place.:sneaky:

Oh no they were, that was until they had to lay off 10% of the work force from company A and 5% from company B to make sure I got good earnings for that quarter to drive up my stock prices even higher.

 

[hal2kilo]

Wow, you are starting to sound like Moonbeam's alt account.

Why, because he doesn't let you get away with spewing your talking point lies like Moonie does't?

 

[Dannar26]

So many of you are quite confused about conservatism. It's boggling really.

It's like you take something negative and hateful, then ascribe it to conservative cause.

Is it bad to want people to be productive members of society? Is it bad when people are more successful than others? Is it bad when one prefers personal freedom over an overbearing V for Vendetta style state government?

 

[Jaskalas]

You define liberty as some rancher occupying land that doesn't belong to him at gunpoint? I don't. Anarchy is not liberty, nor is armed terrorism.

All the land that we collectively stole from the Native Americans belongs collectively to the American people in the guise of our government, which is the sole legal expression of the ENTIRETY of the American people.

A fat ass rancher who thinks he's entitled to keep sucking welfare through threat of arms is NOT the legal collective expression of our nation, nor does he and his actions, in any way, define liberty.

So you proudly claim dominion over others. Even to such an extreme position as to reduce one State to a mere 14% of its sovereign borders. I'll take my reply to that topic.

What about national borders?

Do you feel the people of Crimea have a right to self determination? To secede and let their political affiliation match their ethnic and cultural heritage? While I do not approve of the Russian methods used to get them there, I favor the right of a people to institute new Government.

 

[fskimospy]

So you proudly claim dominion over others. Even to such an extreme position as to reduce one State to a mere 14% of its sovereign borders. I'll take my reply to that topic.

Remember though, nothing of the sort has happened. Not only has the state not been 'reduced' to that as it never owned them to begin with, but the state's constitution explicitly states that such land is not owned by it.

Why are you so against Nevada following its own founding document? Why not respect their constitution?

 

[fskimospy]

So many of you are quite confused about conservatism. It's boggling really.

It's like you take something negative and hateful, then ascribe it to conservative cause.

Is it bad to want people to be productive members of society? Is it bad when people are more successful than others? Is it bad when one prefers personal freedom over an overbearing V for Vendetta style state government?

Do you see that you're doing exactly the opposite here?

Wanting people to be productive, not thinking it is bad when people are more successful than others, and preferring personal freedom vs. a surveillance state are not conservative values, they are values that a broad spectrum of ideologies favor, liberalism included.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I'm proud to call myself a person who's self identity isn't defined by a polarized ideological label.

 

[Matt1970]

Why, because he doesn't let you get away with spewing your talking point lies like Moonie does't?

Moonie doesn't try and dispute lies. Moonie tells you how much you hate yourself and how rotten your brain is over and over and over.....

BTW, feel free and try to dispute my "lies"

 

[Vic]

So many of you are quite confused about conservatism. It's boggling really.

It's like you take something negative and hateful, then ascribe it to conservative cause.

Is it bad to want people to be productive members of society? Is it bad when people are more successful than others? Is it bad when one prefers personal freedom over an overbearing V for Vendetta style state government?

Those aren't the principles of conservatism. Conservatism is about conserving traditional social and cultural institutions. Family values, Christian values, Republican government as established by the Founding Fathers, etc. Those are the principles of conservatism.
Ironically, what you posted above as being conservative is actually classical liberalism.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

His writing style doesn't look anything like Moonie's.

Duhhh???? Of course not, why would anyone be stupid enough to have exactly the same writing style on an alt account as they do on their primary account?

 

[TROLLERCAUST]

You mean like the UK:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...lting-language-is-strangling-free-speech.html

Doesn't seem like the UK is so big on free speech to me.

Telegraph, eww. I refuse to open any Daily Telegraph links.
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On-topic:
I'm a liberal too. :wub: But I'm an European liberal and I've noticed our liberal has a slightly different meaning to the American one. European liberals are very much pro-capitalism, free markets and individual liberty. Let the markets decide and all that. I remember the liberal party being the only party in the last parliamentary elections to oppose universal healthcare. Well they didn't exatcly want to get rid of it but they wanted to move towards privatising the whole healthcare system. Currently it's a mixture of publicly and privately provided services. They wanted it all privatised. Also the liberals we're more in favour of private schools which are practically non-existent because the public system is working well enough. The rich and poor all go to the same schools.

The American liberal seems to be a very wide term. I'm not even sure what it even means to be honest. On these and on other forums I've seen people be called liberals while they'd be considered social democrats or greens over this side of the pond. I guess it comes with the two-party system. People are crammed under a very wide label. The stupidest thing to do in that situation is to start justifying your political positions by thinking "conservatives/liberals just support this". That's just silly when the label you've used to label yourself consists of all kinds of nutjobs. You don't have to agree with every idiot just because they're conservative or liberal. Don't fall into that trap, people do it all the time and it's fucking ridiculous.

Can not a Republican be a liberal or a Democrat be a conservative? Of course they can be. Open up your eyes to see all the shades of grey.

Anyway. Merry Easter. I'll be drunk the whole weekend celebrating the beginning of spring time. Who's with me? :thumbsup:

 

[MrPickins]

Oh you are peeing all right, it just happens to be right into the wind. And BTW, the United States is the greatest country in the world. Why would you argue that it's so right of center?

Greatest != Perfect