I am having difficulty keeping track of all the Apple suits

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Bateluer

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http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/26/apple-denied-galaxy-nexus-and-tab-ban-in-germany/

So, German courts banned the Tab 10.1 in Germany only, which was later upped by a higher German court to include the whole EU. The Tab 7.7 was also added to the suit and banned in the EU. This suit invalided the patents Apple was attacking the Gnex and Tab 10.1N with, in Germany.


It really seems like they're just taking one step forward and two steps back with their patent trolling, as courts in the US and UK invalided a slew of patents in other legal battles.



Ok, I very rarely do this, but I'm going to pull the plug on this thread on the basis that we have enough legal threads, and I don't see this discussion as being productive. You are welcome as always to send me a Private Message with comments.

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Dari

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Only an idiot would see this as patent trolling. The company is looking after it's interests and assets. Samsung blatantly copies Apple products and that is not right. Samsung should either pay Apple or they should stop copying them. Simple.
 

Munky

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Good. I hope all the lawsuits cost Apple dearly, maybe they'll get back to competing in the market as opposed to in the courtroom.
 

postmortemIA

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Only an idiot would see this as patent trolling. The company is looking after it's interests and assets. Samsung blatantly copies Apple products and that is not right. Samsung should either pay Apple or they should stop copying them. Simple.
blah blah
apple had 0 mobile patents when they entered market few years ago, perhaps 10 yrs after rest of players did.
and they did not infringe on anybody's patents?
 

Bateluer

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http://www.talkandroid.com/124242-s...out-the-benefit-of-their-patented-technology/

And here's Samsung coming out swinging with bold words. I agree completely with everything after the first paragraph. But, while I'm sure Samsung did develop numerous wireless technologies, Motorola basically invented the cellular phone. No single company can lay claim to inventing & patenting all technologies necessary for wireless communications.

Samsung has been researching and developing mobile telecommunications technology since at least as early as 1991 and invented much of the technology for today‘s smartphones. Indeed, Apple, which sold its first iPhone nearly twenty years after Samsung started developing mobile phone technology, could not have sold a single iPhone without the benefit of Samsung‘s patented technology.

For good measure, Apple seeks to exclude Samsung from the market, based on its complaints that Samsung has used the very same public domain design concepts that Apple borrowed from other competitors, including Sony, to develop the iPhone. Apple‘s own internal documents show this. In February 2006, before the claimed iPhone design was conceived of, Apple executive Tony Fadell circulated a news article that contained an interview of a Sony designer to Steve Jobs, Jonathan Ive and others. In the article, the Sony designer discussed Sony portable electronic device designs that lacked “excessive ornamentation” such as buttons, fit in the hand, were “square with a screen” and had “corners [which] have been rounded out.”

Contrary to the image it has cultivated in the popular press, Apple has admitted in internal documents that its strength is not in developing new technologies first, but in successfully commercializing them. . . . Also contrary to Apple‘s accusations, Samsung does not need or want to copy; rather, it strives to best the competition by developing multiple, unique products. Samsung internal documents from 2006, well before the iPhone was announced, show rectangular phones with rounded corners, large displays, flat front faces, and graphic interfaces with icons with grid layouts.

Prior to the iPhone‘s announcement in January 2007, Samsung was already developing numerous products and models with the same design features that Apple now claims were copied from the iPhone. In the summer of 2006, Samsung began designing its next generation of mobile phones, based on the market trend of ever-increasing screen size. At that time, Samsung‘s designers envisioned a basic design: a simple, rounded rectangular body dominated by a display screen with a single physical button on the face.
As . . . documents confirm, Samsung independently developed the allegedly copied design features months before Apple had even announced the iPhone. It did not switch its design direction because of the iPhone.

Apple‘s utility patents relate to ancillary features that allow users to perform trivial touch screen functions, even though these technologies were developed and in widespread use well before Apple entered the mobile device market in 2007. Samsung does not infringe any of Apple‘s patents and has located dead-on prior art that invalidates them.

Apple relied heavily on Samsung‘s technology to enter the telecommunications space, and it continues to use Samsung‘s technology to this day in its iPhone and iPad products. For example, Samsung supplies the flash memory, main memory, and application processor for the iPhone. . . . But Apple also uses patented Samsung technology that it has not paid for. This includes standards-essential technology required for Apple‘s products to interact with products from other manufacturers, and several device features that Samsung developed for use in its products.

Long before Apple even announced any of its 3G products that use Samsung‘s standards-essential technology, Samsung had offered licenses for these patents (along with other patents) to virtually every major player in the mobile phone industry, successfully striking cross-licensing deals with all of them. After Apple released products that use the technology patented in the [two standards-essential patents at issue in the trial], Samsung similarly offered a cross-licensing deal to Apple, asking for a fair and reasonable royalty in return for Apple‘s use of Samsung‘s technology. Unlike all the major players in the mobile phone industry, however, Apple refused to enter a cross-licensing deal with Samsung.

Instead, despite the fact that virtually every other major industry participant was willing to take a license from Samsung for use of the standards-essential patents in this suit, Apple claimed that Samsung‘s patents are unenforceable.
 

Bateluer

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blah blah
apple had 0 mobile patents when they entered market few years ago, perhaps 10 yrs after rest of players did.
and they did not infringe on anybody's patents?

Man, I put that idiot on my ignore list for a reason. Stop quoting him. :p
 

Phynaz

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We already have a thread for the lawsuits, right? Why create another?
 

Fingolfin269

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So we have threads specifically about the lawsuits and now we have a thread where someone admits they are trying to keep up with the lawsuits and want us to know they're having trouble doing so?

Come on man. :p

/keyshawn
 

Bateluer

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We already have a thread for the lawsuits, right? Why create another?

We do not.

These are the three stickied threads right now.


Sticky Thread Sticky: Warning about the use of "fanboy" and ad hominen attacks
Sticky Thread Sticky: Must-have App threads for iOS/Android/Mango
Sticky Thread Sticky: Tablet tweaking threads and Kindle Fire hacking summary list
 

Phynaz

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Actually yes. I believe there was a vote and it was decided we wanted all this stuff in one thread. Patrick even consolidated one of mine into it.
 

luv2liv

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we shoulda been lawyers.
i wonder how much they are making an hour for either side
 

jiffylube1024

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Only an idiot would see this as patent trolling. The company is looking after its interests and assets. Samsung blatantly copies Apple products and that is not right. Samsung should either pay Apple or they should stop copying them. Simple.

Really? Does this happen in other industries? Patents are to protect companies from having their ideas blatantly stolen. Clones/imitation products are fair game, and that's how innovation usually works in other industries. That's how Hyundai went from a joke to the #4 car company in the world.

See: the auto industry, the computer industry, etc.

Would you say that Sony should sue every other Blu-Ray player company because they blatantly copied their set-top design?

Should router companies sue eachother for designing similar antenna-equipped boxes?
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I agree that Samsung has definitely been fairly blatant with their copying of certain phone designs (Samsung Galaxy S "Vibrant" being one of the most notorious), but something like the Galaxy Nexus or Galaxy S 3 are most certainly not simply iPhone copies. They're worlds apart in terms of design, as much as you can be in an arena like cell phones where designs need to accomodate a lot of similar hardware (touch screen, SoC, all sorts of antennas, the battery, etc.).

Your statement of 'Samsung copies Apple and they should stop or pay up' is so vague and general; which design features does Samsung copy, on which devices? Are they hardware or software? What should and shouldn't be allowed to be copied? Because pretty much every smartphone these days uses a 3.5-4.8" touch screen with virtually identical technology under the hood as an iPhone.
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Apple is pursuing lawsuits on technological marvels that it has pioneered such as the "swipe to unlock" feature, yet has absolutely no problem blatantly copying the notification shade that Android's had for ages. I think patent trolling is a joke on both sides; and they should focusing on out-innovating each-other, not blowing their R&D budgets on lawyers (and lobbyists).
 
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zsdersw

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The company is looking after it's interests and assets.

I'll remember that next time I see you whining about other things that other companies do to "look after their interests"... like lay people off, outsource jobs, cut pay/benefits, etc.

When it's Apple, it's all "they're just looking out for their interests" and "they're just taking advantage of the system". When it's any other company it's all "*waa waa*.. they're greedy bastards!"
 
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Phynaz

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Would you say that Sony should sue every other Blu-Ray player company because they blatantly copied their set-top design?

Sony gets a royalty for every Blu-Ray player because of their patents.

And yes, if somebody were to violate Sony's design patents they would get sued.
 

Phynaz

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I'm curious to see if Batty is true to form on this thread. He creates these to stir the pot with his Apple hatred, and then bails on them as soon as people post facts that contradict his ranting.

Personally I don't get it. Why waste your energy?
 

zsdersw

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I'm curious to see if Batty is true to form on this thread. He creates these to stir the pot with his Apple hatred, and then bails on them as soon as people post facts that contradict his ranting.

Personally I don't get it. Why waste your energy?

Probably for the same reason you waste yours posting irrelevancies.
 

Dari

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I'll remember that next time I see you whining about other things that other companies do to "look after their interests"... like lay people off, outsource jobs, cut pay/benefits, etc.

When it's Apple, it's all "they're just looking out for their interests" and "they're just taking advantage of the system". When it's any other company it's all "*waa waa*.. they're greedy bastards!"

So long as what they're doing is legal then I couldn't care less. Samsung has a history of stealing and brazen corruption in their home country. Can't respect that.
 

Bateluer

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Sony gets a royalty for every Blu-Ray player because of their patents.

And yes, if somebody were to violate Sony's design patents they would get sued.

Sony gets royalties for design of the blu ray laser and internal mechanisms of the set up players, not because every set top playing is a black box.





Apple has an entire Wikipedia page devoted to their patent bullying over the years. Sadly, that cafe is not alone.
 

shurato

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So long as what they're doing is legal then I couldn't care less. Samsung has a history of stealing and brazen corruption in their home country. Can't respect that.

Do you do such diligent research on every company you buy a product from? Your moral compass seems a bit off or persuaded by your own likes. You just sound silly with these types of statements man.

For example, do yourself a favor then and throw away all your clothes that are manufactured from a company based in a country with human rights violations. You should be typing your response naked.

Get over yourself already.
 
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cheezy321

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I am having difficulty keeping track of all your threads about every single Apple suit.
 

jiffylube1024

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Sony gets a royalty for every Blu-Ray player because of their patents.

And yes, if somebody were to violate Sony's design patents they would get sued.

Nice red herring. As mentioned, Sony gets a royalty for the blue laser design, not the "box with a tray" design. And that, in a nutshell hilights the difference between a valid patent (specific laser design) and a generic design feature (box; rectangle with rounded edges, etc.).
 

PowerYoga

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The only difference between apple and other companies that get shut down for patent trolling is apple has good lawyers and legions of rabid fan boys licking their boots. The only thing apple's ridiculous lawsuits are exposing is how stupid the american patent system is.
 
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