I am going to buy a new P4 - Socket 478 Heatsink/Fan...Reccomendations ?

[venk]

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PS...This will go on an MSI Ultra 645 Motherboard (SiS 645 Chipset)


Thanks

 

[thermite88]

The Intel retail heatsink that comes with the P4-478 CPU is a massive piece and equiped with a 70mm fan. It cools efficiently and is very quiet. It is adequate for most overclock operation. Most aftermarket HSF does not perform much better. It may be a better deal for you to get the retail CPU and keep the 3-years warranty as a bonus.

If you still want to buy an aftermarket HS, here are some reviews:

Dan's Data

VR-Zone Hardware

The Sun Flower is one of the better option.

 

[Degenerate]

BTW, the warrenty, that covers only damges by the CPU itself right? as in a malfunction not becaue you broke it or overclocked it? 3 yrs is pretty good though.

 

[thermite88]

<< the warrenty, that covers only damges by the CPU itself right? as in a malfunction not becaue you broke it or overclocked it? >>

The warrenty covers any defects of the CPU.

The P4 has a metal heat spreader that makes it highly unlikely for the user to damage the CPU physically. The thermal protection circuit will make it almost impossible to "fry" a P4 while overclocking. We are not dealing with AMD CPU here.

Can a P4 be abused and damaged beyond recovery? Yes, but highly unlikely.

 

[Texmaster]

Since I actually own a 478 socket P4 I would say I'm the best qualified to answer this.

The Intel Heatsink is CRAP. TOTAL CRAP. Anything that cant get blow 50C is CRAP. The Plastic hooks are flimsey and easily broken not to mention impossible to remove once its on.

And this is from someone who ACTUALLY OWNES ONE.

The ONLY way to get a halfway decent temperature is to take the Ventec solution and mount a 60mm black delta.

If you push this processor AT ALL you need a higher running fan. Its that simple. The 70mm fans SUCK. They are thin and weak.

Testimony from someone who has actually been where you are going.

 

[Mikewarrior2]

Texmaster,

Your statement is, IMO, FUD. I've built several units with the s478 retail unit. Not only does it do the best job out of any retail heatsink, but it cools very well.

To expect sub50C temps (these are itnernal diode temps, not some socket-thermistor), with a p4 is asking an awful lot. They do run hot, and despite hte large contact surface, typically run in the 50-60C range when under load even with the higher end heatsinks. You cannot compare p4 temps to the temps you see from AMD temps... differnt measurement methods preclude this kind of comparison.



Mike

 

[oldfart]

<< mount a 60mm black delta. >>


Are ear plugs included with that?

 

[Bovinicus]

I just wanted to suggest that you post a message like this over at the cases and cooling forum. Not that I care where you post it, I just think you might get even more help over there.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Texmaster,

Your statement is, IMO, FUD. I've built several units with the s478 retail unit. Not only does it do the best job out of any retail heatsink, but it cools very well. >>



You are so incredibly full of it. To think for a SECOND that the PoS heatsink with that dinky 70mm fan over a black delta makes you look like a COMPLETE fool.



<< To expect sub50C temps (these are itnernal diode temps, not some socket-thermistor), with a p4 is asking an awful lot. They do run hot, and despite hte large contact surface, typically run in the 50-60C range when under load even with the higher end heatsinks. You cannot compare p4 temps to the temps you see from AMD temps... differnt measurement methods preclude this kind of comparison. >>



Obviously since you haven't been able to get yours to go UNDER 50C just shows your ignorance on the subject.

Dont dog an idea you haven't tried.

Doesn't make you look very bright.

 

[Texmaster]

<<

<< mount a 60mm black delta. >>


Are ear plugs included with that? >>



Obviously you don't know how to keep a system quiet if you are asking such a rediculus question.

 

[oldfart]

Sure I do. For one, I stay away from 7000 RPM fans.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Sure I do. For one, I stay away from 7000 RPM fans. >>



Tell you what. Since you dont own one yourself and since its obvious you haven't tried overclocking these P4s,

Call me when you can hit 2.36 STABLE with a 2ghz chip using that pathetic PoS retail heatink and 70mm fan you give me a call. Until then you have zero credit in this arena.

See, the idea is to keep the P4s from NOT having to underclock. 53C at IDLE is PATHETIC.

Another tip, metal clips are better than plastic.

 

[oldfart]

No. I don't own one yet (been waiting for Northwood). But I have built several of them. The (nice quiet) stock HS/Fan has always worked well. I have also heard the Black Delta fans. Its personal preference I guess. I could never stand something that loud in my system. The originator of this thread said nothing about if he was planning on overclocking at all. What makes you think he needs something that noisy?

 

[Mikewarrior2]

Texmaster,

No, I was talkign FULL LOAD. On hte 6 p4 s478 system's I have built, the IDLE temperature on all 6 is under 40C. The Case cooling comprised of one exhaust case fan.

Full load is in the 50-60C range. If you are having problems getting the retail sink below 50C idle then you are the fool.

I wouldn't take a 7000rpm delta if someone gave me $500 for it. I dont' care to have that kind of noise. Plain and simple, you can't try to criticize someone for wanting a quieter case. That is a purely subjective matter that neither of us can really comment on. If someone can stand the 7000rpm delta, then more power to them. I would rather sacrifice 100mhz for quiet.

For Example: I run an XP1600 with an 80mm panaflo l1a fan stably at 1630mhz. I could probably push the CPU further, but I choose not to..

As far as overclocking a p4, Thermite88 has experience in that field... you are truly the most ignorant person on this forum.... You can't really be arrogant enough to think you're the only one who overclocks.


Mike

 

[Texmaster]

<< No. I don't own one yet (been waiting for Northwood). But I have built several of them. The (nice quiet) stock HS/Fan has always worked well. I have also heard the Black Delta fans. Its personal preference I guess. I could never stand something that loud in my system. The originator of this thread said nothing about if he was planning on overclocking at all. What makes you think he needs something that noisy? >>



He asked for suggestions. I gave him the one that had the best chance for overclocking and the least chance of clocking down.

Your biggest thing is obviously sound. Not everyone has that need for the ultra quiet computer. There are ways to quiet a 60mm black delta.

And of all the ones you have built, how many are overclocked and at what range?

 

[Texmaster]

<< Texmaster,

No, I was talkign FULL LOAD. On hte 6 p4 s478 system's I have built, the IDLE temperature on all 6 is under 40C. The Case cooling comprised of one exhaust case fan.

Full load is in the 50-60C range. If you are having problems getting the retail sink below 50C idle then you are the fool. >>




LOL You think THAT is an accomplishment? At FULL LOAD I dont even hit 35C! Now which is better brainwave?



<< I wouldn't take a 7000rpm delta if someone gave me $500 for it. I dont' care to have that kind of noise. Plain and simple, you can't try to criticize someone for wanting a quieter case. That is a purely subjective matter that neither of us can really comment on. If someone can stand the 7000rpm delta, then more power to them. I would rather sacrifice 100mhz for quiet.

For Example: I run an XP1600 with an 80mm panaflo l1a fan stably at 1630mhz. I could probably push the CPU further, but I choose not to.. >>



And you don't even OWN ONE yourself! LOL Who is the FOOL here?

Building P4s doesn't make you an expert if you are not the one tweaking them.

You are out of your league here buddy boy.

Well guess what, not everyone has paranoia about a little noise.



<< As far as overclocking a p4, Thermite88 has experience in that field... you are truly the most ignorant person on this forum.... You can't really be arrogant enough to think you're the only one who overclocks. >>



Since I'm the only one on this thread who actually OWNES a 478 socket and has owned 2 423 sockets, you are the ignorant one my little friend.

 

[oldfart]

I didn't overclock them at all. These systems were not for the type of people who wanted an overclocked PC (regular non-geek type people that never heard of QuakeX). Even If I did bump them up, it would be with a quiet setup. I agree with Mikewarrier2. You couldn't pay me enough to put a 7000 rpm Delta in my system. I run Panaflow case fans, and a 7 volt mod'd CRY-ORB GF3 GPU fan to keep things quiet as possible. I would still like the system quieter. To each his own.

EDIT BTW, why such an arrogant posting style? You can have a discussion without being so rude. Mikewarrier2 knows more about CPU cooling than any member here.

 

[ST4RCUTTER]

Texmaster, no offense buddy but you're an ass. venk, my only advice to you is that you listen to Mikewarrior2 and consult the Mirriam-Webster dictionary.

 

[Texmaster]

<< I didn't overclock them at all. These systems were not for the type of people who wanted an overclocked PC (regular non-geek type people that never heard of QuakeX). Even If I did bump them up, it would be with a quiet setup. I agree with Mikewarrier2. You couldn't pay me enough to put a 7000 rpm Delta in my system. I run Panaflow case fans, and a 7 volt mod'd CRY-ORB GF3 GPU fan to keep things quiet as possible. I would still like the system quieter. To each his own. >>



Then don't dump on other's ideas just becase you don't agree.

My way is the best way for maximum performance. You way is the best way to a quiet computer.

 

[Texmaster]

<< Texmaster, no offense buddy but you're an ass. venk, my only advice to you is that you listen to Mikewarrior2 and consult the Mirriam-Webster dictionary. >>



LOL no offense but I'm an ass?

Take a look at who started the insults genius before you start taking sides.

Next time read more carefully.

You are a jackass for taking the side of the person who not only started the insults but doesn't even own the very thing he claims to be an expert on.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I am planning on getting a retail Northwood 2.0A the week after next, so this thread interests me. I am also planning on using the packaged HSF. I cannot speak from much experience as my current P2-450/440BX combo does not have a HSF, only a heatsink and two case fans. My father's PC, however, does have a retail PIII-866/HSF. I am using it right now and according to ASUS PC Probe, the CPU is running at 29C and the mobo is at 25C. I built this PC, so I know that installing the HSF was not the easiest thing in the world, but I have every reason to believe that Intel's packaged HSFs do a fine job for the CPU at its stock speed.

 

[Texmaster]

<< I am planning on getting a retail Northwood 2.0A the week after next, so this thread interests me. I am also planning on using the packaged HSF. I cannot speak from much experience as my current P2-450/440BX combo does not have a HSF, only a heatsink and two case fans. My father's PC, however, does have a retail PIII-866/HSF. I am using it right now and according to ASUS PC Probe, the CPU is running at 29C and the mobo is at 25C. I built this PC, so I know that installing the HSF was not the easiest thing in the world, but I have every reason to believe that Intel's packaged HSFs do a fine job for the CPU at its stock speed. >>



Once you hit the P4 arena, heat is much more of a problem. (of course the .13s are anyone's guess) Underclocking is far more of a reality with the stock fan than without.

 

[ST4RCUTTER]

LOL no offense but I'm an ass?

Take a look at who started the insults genius before you start taking sides.

Next time read more carefully.

You are a jackass for taking the side of the person who not only started the insults but doesn't even own the very thing he claims to be an expert on.

Must have been another thread... Mikewarrior2 only accused you of spreading FUD (Fear uncertainty and doubt.)
In his "opinion" no less...or did you fail to notice that? IMO building a system successfully should give ample experience with cooling, and Mike has been a helpful member of the Anandtech forum, demonstrating his expertise on system cooling for some time now.

 

[Imperium97]

 

[Imperium97]

Sorry, double post or something.

Anyway. my retail socket 478 1.7 does 1.85 with no problems with the stock HSF. Ignore texmaster; he's a moron. Follow mike's advice.