I am beyond words . . .
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HeroOfPellinor
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What's disgusting is the inordinate propertion of posters in this forum who probably agree with that student. I remember BBD actually smearing Tillman's NFL career for some freaking sick reason.
It is true that the word hero gets thrown around waaaaay too much, but the writer clearly has a distorted view of reality.
Yeah. Oh well, he's an angry college kid who hates the U.S. BUT of course chooses to get his education here....
Siddhartha
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MAW1082
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Yeah, obviously if someone disagrees with violating the UN, invading a sovereign nation and slaughtering tens of thousands of innocents civilians hates, they hate the US.
If people aren't free to both love their country and disapporve of what it does, those people live in a totalitarian state.
Hate the war = hate the US. I wish I could vomit on that logic.
If people aren't free to both love their country and disapporve of what it does, those people live in a totalitarian state.
Hate the war = hate the US. I wish I could vomit on that logic.
I read the article three times to be as fair as possible.
Other than the demagoguery and hyperbole in the title (which I don't agree with)--the body of the article stands on its own. IMHO.
You may disagree with the argument, but it probably strikes a chord of truth--if you were honest enough with yourself, and looked past the bombastic style.
Other than the demagoguery and hyperbole in the title (which I don't agree with)--the body of the article stands on its own. IMHO.
You may disagree with the argument, but it probably strikes a chord of truth--if you were honest enough with yourself, and looked past the bombastic style.
No , because I do not agree the Taliban was a good and decent government (their treatment of women and girls comes to mind) which the author clearly tries to argue.
He hates the U.S., finds Americans to be a vile stupid people (he makes several broad generalizations there) yet apparently selected the U.S. for obtaining his education. Probably gets student aid.
Furthermore, he can write such inflammatory garbage because he is IN THE U.S.!
All in all he strikes me as a dumbas* college student who doesn't know his as* from a hole in the ground.
the democrats and the republicans supported and voted for invading Afganistan and killing the Taliban.
in bases in this country, the indoctrination and training of those who KILLED over 3000 american in one morning were caried out.
this moron doesn't have the plain decency to let the guy's family mourn in peace. he's got to lable him a idiot.
while you may disagree with American politics (apparently the politic of BOTH the democrat and republican parties) the tent is still large enough to allow fringe elements like rene from Puerto Rico to have his disagreement with goverment policies. but to attack]/b] the memory of a dead man, one that sacrificed his life, not to mention a lucrative career, for his country...is beyond mean and in poor taste.
his comments are pathological.
his comments are contemptable.
his comments are cruel and malicious.
why this person wants this hurtful is beyond my comprehension.
in bases in this country, the indoctrination and training of those who KILLED over 3000 american in one morning were caried out.
this moron doesn't have the plain decency to let the guy's family mourn in peace. he's got to lable him a idiot.
while you may disagree with American politics (apparently the politic of BOTH the democrat and republican parties) the tent is still large enough to allow fringe elements like rene from Puerto Rico to have his disagreement with goverment policies. but to attack]/b] the memory of a dead man, one that sacrificed his life, not to mention a lucrative career, for his country...is beyond mean and in poor taste.
his comments are pathological.
his comments are contemptable.
his comments are cruel and malicious.
why this person wants this hurtful is beyond my comprehension.
HeroOfPellinor
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Why does anybody tear down another person? Feelings of inadequacy. With the vigor he went about it and the innumerable references to large men...well...I don't want to go there...but it's got to be the peen.
Tillman went to Afghanistan where he died fighting for justice for America. I happen to think his bravery should be applauded. If I had been 40 years younger I would have done the same thing. The fight in Afghanistan is an honorable one. The fight in Iraq is for the "pendejos".
Anyway, that's why they go to college-to learn something. I'm sure he's picked up a few tips since he wrote that bit of idiocy.
-Robert
Anyway, that's why they go to college-to learn something. I'm sure he's picked up a few tips since he wrote that bit of idiocy.
-Robert
Are you saying that the men and women fighting in Iraq are "pendejos"?
BTW, I've read some of the replies posted under the article and apparently Rene is male not female. (Notice I did not say "man")
kage69
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What a dumbfvck. I actually feel violent right now. I don't support our Iraq venture, I absolutely loathe these neocon morons we have in The White House, but despite all that I want to put my foot up Rene's arse.
Of the dozen instances in the past few years where the media at large has labeled someone a hero, Tillman is probably the only case where I've agreed with it.
Is kage gonna have to choke a b!tch? :|
Of the dozen instances in the past few years where the media at large has labeled someone a hero, Tillman is probably the only case where I've agreed with it.
Is kage gonna have to choke a b!tch? :|
I got to the third paragraph where he says our incursion into Afghanistan was stupid and quit reading. I can accept our fvckup in Iraq, but Afghanistan was necessary. He's a tard.
daniel1113
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"However, in my neighborhood in Puerto Rico, Tillman would have been called a "pendejo," an idiot."
It always gets on my nerves when I hear lines like this... "In my country, we do..."
Not to mention the slander about Tillman. Who does this author think he/she is to call Tillman an idiot? He/she can attack our leaders as much as he/she wants, but to attack a valient soldier is just plain wrong.
It always gets on my nerves when I hear lines like this... "In my country, we do..."
Not to mention the slander about Tillman. Who does this author think he/she is to call Tillman an idiot? He/she can attack our leaders as much as he/she wants, but to attack a valient soldier is just plain wrong.
It sounds like the person is more than a little jealous that Pat Tillman will always be remembered as a great American and this other guy Gonzalez will be remembered , well he won't but if he was it would be as a cabrone. I am sure several Puerto Ricans are embarrassed by this person.
Agreed.
This kid is another knee-jerk asstard who's been insulated from the real world, and thinks he's something special because he's getting a university education. What a fool.
Nate
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HOP, I find this idiot student's comments disusting and I find your comments disgusting. True, his hateful idiocy far exceeds yours, but he's had his 15 seconds of infamy while you, no doubt, will just keep posting and spewing, posting and spewing.
You claim some "inordinate porpertion" (sic) of posters here probably agree with this tard?!? The only posters you could even hope to smear with such a BS statement are fjord and BBD, and BBD has long since apologized for his seriously intemperate comments that nonetheless come nowhere close to PJ Rene and his calvacade of hate.
So where are the traitorous hordes implicit in your "inordinate proportion"?
I've had just about enough of you and certain others using such crap to smear principled opposition to this diseased dog of a war.
I challenge you to name even one other poster who wholeheartedly agrees with Rene's POS article. Yeah . . . I thought so.:|
HeroOfPellinor
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I think 2 out of 30 or so who've commented on this topic is inordinate. And that's not counting those who feel the same and are too chicken to comment on tillman specifically...like those repeatedly claiming those who fight in are military are not all heroes. Why the hell do you find that offensive? Take your wimpy little attack at me and blow it out your ass...maybe it will dislodge your head.
Apparently reading is not your strong suit. My original (albeit misguided, inappropriate, and wholely without merit) comment was that Tillman's actions did not necessarily indicate a laudable personality trait. It was based on nothing more than an expert understanding of the extreme diversity in what motivates people to take particular actions.
In the process of trying to defend the indefensible I quoted the exact content of what ONE teammate said about Tillman. Those quotes from Simeon Rice have absolutely no bearing on Tillman's contribution and duly deserved recognition (along with others that serve our country with distinction . . . as in serve the country well . . . not necessarily FOXNews attention). I posted Rice's comments b/c they were being mischaracterized by the ideologue that wrote the original article and by posters that clearly didn't read his comments in their entirety.
Tillman was not an exceptional NFL talent but he was an exceptional player considering his physical skill. Clearly, he made it on the Cardinals roster and into the starting lineup b/c he brought incredible intangibles every time he suited up. Arguably, those same character traits moved him to serve his country by leaving the NFL and joining the Army Rangers (as opposed to continuing his football career or going to OCS).
The Cardinals are not retiring his jersey b/c he was a great football player. Tillman was an unexceptional football player but an exceptional man. On balance, that is what Simeon Rice said (although he tossed in a Rambo comment as well I think).
BS smears are quite common on this board.
HeroOfPellinor
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That's all this punk kid wrote just with less timidity, and you're both wrong.
Here you go again! I thought you'd have slunk off back to your cave in shame never to have return but here you go criticizing his career again. How is my reading comprehension bad when you've just confirmed it. Did you know, NFL guru, that the Super Bowl champion St Louis Rams tried to get Tillman to come play for them, but he turned down the 9 million dollar offer? Sounds like a real "Rudy" to me. :roll:
Why people like you and Rene feel the need to tear down heroes is incomprehensible to me. Hell, I feel dirty just replying to a post by you now.
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