I am a little bothered by everyone knocking on Michael Moore

[dmw16]

Granted, in Bowling for Columbine he misled the viewers to make a point, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of the points he made were valid. His series of points about America as an aggressor and overstepping our bounds in other counties affairs was a good piece of the movie. Those were good points.

But really, Michael Moore just represents the other side. There are fanatics on both sides. There are crazy conservatives like some members of the NRA and the Christian Collilition among others. Then there are groups on the other side...people like Michael Moore and groups like the ACLU. Both sides are needed for the system to function. The extremists both push their radical views, and the end result generally falls somewhere in the middle which serves to please most Americans.

Now I will say, yes I am a liberal but I have just been bothered by the bashing of Michael Moore and point out his 'lies' while no one recognizes the point of his film or the fact that he isnt the only one who tells half truths to make his opinions known.
-doug

 

Nothing wrong with Moore.
There is something wrong with people treating it as anything more than entertainment.

 

[amnesiac]

/me hands dmw16 asbestos overalls.

Sorry, someone took all the Nomex.

 

[Hossenfeffer]

Originally posted by: SammySon
Nothing wrong with Moore.
There is something wrong with people treating it as anything more than entertainment.

I'd take issue with this a bit. While very much geared toward the entertainment end of the spectrum, there is some value in his arguments.

 

[imported_Mike]

This is like starting a thread in Pol & News about how big of an idiot Bush is. Been there many times + eccesive flame war = back where we started, which is just someone's opinion. Nothing wrong with stating your opinion, just don't let it bother you when someone doesn't agree with it, thats all.

 

[isaacmacdonald]

ok. I'm fvcking tired of seeing michael moore threads. the topic has been almost completely exhausted. I move that all future michael moore threads be posted in news & politics forum.

that is all.

 

[dmw16]

I didnt mean to start any kind of flame war...and I appreciate the lack there of so far. I was just pointing out the other side of the issue which seems to get neglected in a lot of the posts about him and his movie.

 

I'd take issue with this a bit. While very much geared toward the entertainment end of the spectrum, there is some value in his arguments.

Nothing that anyone who has done their homework doesn't know.

What should urk you more is that it takes a mainstream released movie like Moore's to make people actually think about the topic.
Sad.

 

[Feldenak]

He's just another screaming extremist. He just happens to be from the left side of the political spectrum.

 

[TheNinja]

I'm a little bothered by people who are a little bothered by everyone knocking on Michael Moore.

 

[FoBoT]

he's a wingnut

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: isaacmacdonald
ok. I'm fvcking tired of seeing michael moore threads. the topic has been almost completely exhausted. I move that all future michael moore threads be posted in news & politics forum.

that is all.

seconded

 

[MailBoxHead]

You are entitled to like what the movies message was.


People are entitled to not like it.

If it truly bothers you, you have serious issues.

 

[tcsenter]

Granted, in Bowling for Columbine he misled the viewers to make a point, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of the points he made were valid.

Really? Care to mention one or two? Thanks.

BTW, I love your apologist logic: "Sure, ok, I admit it; Moore misleads his audiences, he distorts the truth, he FABRICATES things, he deceives by omission, but that isn't any reason to criticize what he has to say. He makes some really great points."

Can you actually look in the mirror and say this without becoming nauseous?

Have you any clue how profoundly absurd your argument is? THINK MAN THINK!

His series of points about America as an aggressor and overstepping our bounds in other counties affairs was a good piece of the movie. Those were good points.

Even if it were true, it doesn't support the thesis of his movie: kids shoot up their schools because America has overstepped its bound in other countries?

Moore isn't making a movie about a lot of 'great points' that have nothing to do with each other. Moore is developing support for a thesis. Not only is this 'support' deceptive and misleading, even if it were not, it still wouldn't support his thesis.

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: SammySon
Nothing wrong with Moore.
There is something wrong with people treating it as anything more than entertainment.

last time i checked, people watched documentaries for FACTUAL information as well, not just entertainment.

 

[StageLeft]

The problem is that his intent was to bring this movie off as a factual unbiased (as much as possible anyway) documentary - since that's what i think they should be. Instead it was a biased edited piece of useless junk. At least that's what people say; I've not seen it and have no intentions of doing so. Much as I know that feces tastes bad without experiencing it I see no need to experience this movie.

Granted, I may be wrong and it, as well as crap, may be good but I'll never know.

 

last time i checked, people watched documentaries for FACTUAL information as well, not just entertainment.

It was factual at one time that smoking was good for you.
Look what entertainment that turned into!

 

[Rapidskies]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

Granted, in Bowling for Columbine he misled the viewers to make a point, but that doesn't change the fact that a lot of the points he made were valid.

Really? Care to mention one or two? Thanks.

BTW, I love your apologist logic: "Sure, ok, I admit it; Moore misleads his audiences, he distorts the truth, he FABRICATES things, he deceives by omission, but that isn't any reason to criticize what he has to say. He makes some really great points."

Can you actually look in the mirror and say this without becoming nauseous?

Have you any clue how profoundly absurd your argument is? THINK MAN THINK!

His series of points about America as an aggressor and overstepping our bounds in other counties affairs was a good piece of the movie. Those were good points.

Even if it were true, it doesn't support the thesis of his movie: kids shoot up their schools because America has overstepped its bound in other countries?

Moore isn't making a movie about a lot of 'great points' that have nothing to do with each other. Moore is developing support for a thesis. Not only is this 'support' deceptive and misleading, even if it were not, it still wouldn't support his thesis.

 

[FoBoT]

moore doesn't make documentaries

documentary-
Presenting facts objectively without editorializing or inserting fictional matter, as in a book or film.


A work, such as a film or television program, presenting political, social, or historical subject matter in a factual and informative manner and often consisting of actual news films or interviews accompanied by narration.

nope, his stuff doesn't pass the sniff test

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: tcsenter

His series of points about America as an aggressor and overstepping our bounds in other counties affairs was a good piece of the movie. Those were good points.

Even if it were true, it doesn't support the thesis of his movie: kids shoot up their schools because America has overstepped its bound in other countries?

Actually, the hypothesis of the movie is that there's an American culture of fear-mongering which promotes violence.

But it's pretty obvious that he's just ripping off Yoda ("Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffer-ing").

 

[LAUST]

if you can present a case with FACTS and FACTS only then I can respect any arguement, moore is full of crap and has no valid case... there are some things he could have used in BfC to present a case for his beliefs, but since he had to exaggerate and lie screw him.

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Originally posted by: dmw16
The extremists both push their radical views, and the end result generally falls somewhere in the middle

Hmm, that's news to me. Since when does the voice of moderation ever prevail? Most times the victory goes to whoever screams the loudest which is usually the far left. When was the last time you saw a religious fundamentalist win a battle against the ACLU, for example?

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: SammySon

last time i checked, people watched documentaries for FACTUAL information as well, not just entertainment.

It was factual at one time that smoking was good for you.
Look what entertainment that turned into!

You are saying that there was once empirical evidence that smoking ever helped the body in some way?

 

[Pliablemoose]

I'm bothered by people that are bothered by people knocking on Michael Moore, who is now richer than god from his damn BS movie.

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: FeathersMcGraw

Originally posted by: tcsenter

His series of points about America as an aggressor and overstepping our bounds in other counties affairs was a good piece of the movie. Those were good points.

Even if it were true, it doesn't support the thesis of his movie: kids shoot up their schools because America has overstepped its bound in other countries?

Actually, the hypothesis of the movie is that there's an American culture of fear-mongering which promotes violence.

But it's pretty obvious that he's just ripping off Yoda ("Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffer-ing").

If you see this as the hypothesis, then it all makes sense. There is a culture that promotes irrational and unsupported fear, which leads to violence(flaming threads). He twisted and distorted facts to make an emotional message, just as the media and politicians do. It looks to me like he is simply practicing what he is preaching about. Moore is saying that the way he made his 'documentary' is the same process of doing things that is causing so many problems in America today.