I agree with Hastert NO rebuilding is a waste.

[Pliablemoose]

CPA, if you-all are getting the same type of evacuees in Houston as we are in Dallas, this is going to be an interesting few years, the folks I'm meeting are hardcore street people, and I can't even freaking understand them when they talk.

I'm geniunely sorry for what they're going through, but damn...

<--will still continue to volunteer, but we've had all our female staff propositioned by them, multiple items stolen, lots of car break ins when volunteering, lots of stuff the media isn't reporting...

I want NO rebuilt & everyone to go back, we really don't need thousands more street people here🙁

 

[CaptnKirk]

They said the same thing about the train industry in the early 1900s. Trucking could definitely make up the difference

Each barge that travel on the river has the capacity to carry what is carried by 15 Railcars, or 60 Tractor-Trailer rigs.
Barge clusters of 12 or more are not uncommon moving between the lower ports in Mississippi & New Orleans
and the upper ports above St. Louis therou Iowa & up to Minnesota.

Compared to 12 Barges it would take 180 boxcars or 720 trucks to move the same volume. Hundreds of these barges move through the corridor each day, or did.
Middle America has a huge problem right now from the collateral damage from the storm in just farm commerce alone.
There's a big long channel to clear of sunk barges and torn away channel markers, as well as
dredge work to be done between Memphis and Vicksburg - even worse in the immediate vacinity of Atlantis.

Mississippi alone has 16 ports, 6 on the Mississippi river

Ole Man Ribba, dat Ole Man Ribba . .

Port Winona

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
CPA, if you-all are getting the same type of evacuees in Houston as we are in Dallas, this is going to be an interesting few years, the folks I'm meeting are hardcore street people, and I can't even freaking understand them when they talk.

I'm geniunely sorry for what they're going through, but damn...

<--will still continue to volunteer, but we've had all our female staff propositioned by them, multiple items stolen, lots of car break ins when volunteering, lots of stuff the media isn't reporting...

I want NO rebuilt & everyone to go back, we really don't need thousands more street people here🙁

We have the 'Voodoo People' showing up here as well - need a translator to converse.
Their 'Culture' might as well be from a foreign planet, not a race thing, their whole society is a closed clique.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Hastert is an uncaring idiot who doesn't take the time to research alternatives before spouting off at the mouth. For alternatives to trying to relocate were 20% of ALL IMPORTS enter the country, why not take the time to see if the systems that the British and the Dutch have implemented? It isn't like we are the first country to ever have experienced a flood this bad.

Here is a link to a too long to post story about the methods that they are employeeing and how it might save NO or any other coastal city in the future.

Excerpt:

So at a cost of some $8 billion over a quarter century, the nation erected a futuristic system of coastal defenses that is admired around the world today as one of the best barriers against the sea's fury - one that could withstand the kind of storm that happens only once in 10,000 years.

The Dutch case is one of many in which low-lying cities and countries with long histories of flooding have turned science, technology and raw determination into ways of forestalling disaster.

London has built floodgates on the Thames River. Venice is doing the same on the Adriatic.

Japan is erecting superlevees. Even Bangladesh has built concrete shelters on stilts as emergency havens for flood victims.

 

[rahvin]

Originally posted by: CPA
They said the same thing about the train industry in the early 1900s. Trucking could definitely make up the difference.

Large heavy shipping goes out that port, things like steel and grain. We can't export grain at anywhere near a competative price in this world without that ability to ship it down the river and steel prices would rise 50%. The port facilities in NO have to remain for these reasons alone.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
CPA, if you-all are getting the same type of evacuees in Houston as we are in Dallas, this is going to be an interesting few years, the folks I'm meeting are hardcore street people, and I can't even freaking understand them when they talk.

I'm geniunely sorry for what they're going through, but damn...

<--will still continue to volunteer, but we've had all our female staff propositioned by them, multiple items stolen, lots of car break ins when volunteering, lots of stuff the media isn't reporting...

I want NO rebuilt & everyone to go back, we really don't need thousands more street people here🙁

/shakes head at the entitlement society we have created.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
CPA, if you-all are getting the same type of evacuees in Houston as we are in Dallas, this is going to be an interesting few years, the folks I'm meeting are hardcore street people, and I can't even freaking understand them when they talk.

I'm geniunely sorry for what they're going through, but damn...

<--will still continue to volunteer, but we've had all our female staff propositioned by them, multiple items stolen, lots of car break ins when volunteering, lots of stuff the media isn't reporting...

I want NO rebuilt & everyone to go back, we really don't need thousands more street people here🙁

/shakes head at the entitlement society we have created.

/shakes head at the people who love to get raped in taxes and get nothing in return.

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife

Originally posted by: Genx87

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
CPA, if you-all are getting the same type of evacuees in Houston as we are in Dallas, this is going to be an interesting few years, the folks I'm meeting are hardcore street people, and I can't even freaking understand them when they talk.

I'm geniunely sorry for what they're going through, but damn...

<--will still continue to volunteer, but we've had all our female staff propositioned by them, multiple items stolen, lots of car break ins when volunteering, lots of stuff the media isn't reporting...

I want NO rebuilt & everyone to go back, we really don't need thousands more street people here🙁

/shakes head at the entitlement society we have created.

/shakes head at the people who love to get raped in taxes and get nothing in return.

Dont know anybody who love to get raped by taxes, do you?

 

[azazyel]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Funny, we seem to have an endless flow of cash for war, but not rebuilding America's #1 port city.

were did you get that little fact at?

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: rahvin

Originally posted by: CPA
They said the same thing about the train industry in the early 1900s. Trucking could definitely make up the difference.

Large heavy shipping goes out that port, things like steel and grain. We can't export grain at anywhere near a competative price in this world without that ability to ship it down the river and steel prices would rise 50%. The port facilities in NO have to remain for these reasons alone.

Though I don't agree with your steel analysis, point taken on the grain.

 

[aka1nas]

They could move the city to slightly more solid ground at least and let nature take it's course. It would be a port city again in not too long.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma
Cess pool of humanity.. LMFAO

There are so many cities like that

Like uh...Detroit. (I'm sorry, I just can't help but dump on the name city of the metropolitain area where I live. It has the most pathetic downtown of any city close to its size.)

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
Hastert is an uncaring idiot who doesn't take the time to research alternatives before spouting off at the mouth. For alternatives to trying to relocate were 20% of ALL IMPORTS enter the country, why not take the time to see if the systems that the British and the Dutch have implemented? It isn't like we are the first country to ever have experienced a flood this bad.

Here is a link to a too long to post story about the methods that they are employeeing and how it might save NO or any other coastal city in the future.

Excerpt:

So at a cost of some $8 billion over a quarter century, the nation erected a futuristic system of coastal defenses that is admired around the world today as one of the best barriers against the sea's fury - one that could withstand the kind of storm that happens only once in 10,000 years.

The Dutch case is one of many in which low-lying cities and countries with long histories of flooding have turned science, technology and raw determination into ways of forestalling disaster.

London has built floodgates on the Thames River. Venice is doing the same on the Adriatic.

Japan is erecting superlevees. Even Bangladesh has built concrete shelters on stilts as emergency havens for flood victims.

Big difference between flooding caused by high tides and a strong storm vs a Cat 3-5 storm.
The European solutions will help, however, they are not intended to handle some of the storm problems that the Gulf experiences.

One of NO problems was they became sandwiched between a lake, the river and the ocean.
Another problem is that there was only minor maintenance on the levees.

And with limited transportion facilities/access, that only aggrivates the problems.

All the above three examples have been known for the past 30-50 years and either funds were not availalbe, other priorities existed or there were no reasonable alternatives.

 

[filterxg]

Bottomline is the Port will be rebuilt, the tourist system will be rebuilt. But that's it. Other than those two and the related service industry (walmarts, restarants, etc) it won't be rebuilt. Just too expensive.

The port is huge, one of the biggest in the country. Nearly half of the food produced in the midwest goes through NO. More than half the produce from South and Central America goes through NO (think fruit like bananas). Of course NO is also one of the biggest oil ports in the country. So it'll be rebuilt, many on the biggest boats can't enter the Mississippi so upstream isn't an option.

Of course the tourist industry goes without saying. I will be at Mardi Gras in 2006, promises to be crazy 😉

 

[zephyrprime]

I think rebuilding the city is impractical and not beneficial to the people who lost their homes.

Why do I say this? Rebuilding takes a lot of time. Where are all these people to live during that time? Where will they work?

If it really cost $200B to rebuild & there are 188000 households in all of new orleans, that works out to a cost of $1 million per household to rebuild. It would be better to just give the money to the victims so they can get on with their lives right away. If you were a NO resident, what would you rather have? $1million bucks or a rebuilt New Orleans house or apartment that's probably had pretty low square footage?

I think the not-destroyed parts of the city should be repaired but the inundated areas should just be abandoned.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: zephyrprime
I think rebuilding the city is impractical and not beneficial to the people who lost their homes.

Why do I say this? Rebuilding takes a lot of time. Where are all these people to live during that time? Where will they work?

If it really cost $200B to rebuild & there are 188000 households in all of new orleans, that works out to a cost of $1 million per household to rebuild. It would be better to just give the money to the victims so they can get on with their lives right away. If you were a NO resident, what would you rather have? $1million bucks or a rebuilt New Orleans house or apartment that's probably had pretty low square footage?

I think the not-destroyed parts of the city should be repaired but the inundated areas should just be abandoned.

Man you have no idea how the government works.. Your way would be way too effceint and beneficial to those who suffered.

Congress Critters have lots of friends in the construction, enviromental matinence, Food etc etc business they have to hook. They are going to have about 25 FEDERAL agencies supervising the work of thier friends work in rebuilding.

Something as basic as Screwing in a light bulb will look like this:

Instead of three Core of Engineer dudes screwing in a light bulb as was the past. One to hold the latter, one to climb the latter and one to give the light bulb... You have three governemnt workers to oversee the light bulb screw in. One Government commitee which spends weeks on end with contracts and negotiates with the contractor they hire to screw in the light blub. The winning contractor takes a cut, hires a subtractor, who takes a cut, who gets his light blub screwers from the goverment at 3x the salary what they made as a DOD employee, who then come back and say they had cost overruns to the tune of 100% and just can't finnish the job until thier contract is renegotiated.


Multiply that by a million projects and you know why I predict 500 Billion minimum even if the property is worth only 100 billion outright.

The main thing is it passes though so many well connected hands on the way down you hardy recognise what you started with.

 

[piddlefoot]

japan steal land from the ocean , maybe raising the whole area over time , humans have moved greater before, if theres a nation with the technoligy its the US .

 

[BarneyFife]

Seriously. This fat guy will be changing his tune in a few days when some big builders who will make some huge profits drop some coin in his swiss bank account. New Orleans will be rebuilt. Their is no debate needed. Too much money is involved.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The problem is that no one knows which is the better option. This will probably cost a trillion dollars when it's all said and done.

Americans are terrible stewards. If the city is rebuilt, it's a matter of time before it's trashed again. In a couple decades or less NO will be neglected again as well as most infrastructure with the coming retirement crisis. Everything will be pork at that time, and people will be screaming about costs, no matter what plan is installed.

From a financial standpoint would it be cheaper to build a trillion dollar disposable city or suffer the increased costs of goods?

With Americans, I don't think there is a third alternative.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Just like what percipitated the disaster in New Orleans - it's al about what will be realized within the next election cycle.
If it is not a programt tha can be completed in a two year cycle and held up as 'Look what i did for you", it not viavle.

They are not willing to place their efforts and funds into long term solution that take 6 - 10 - 20 years to complete,
It's all about showing short term results NOW - future be damned, they might not get re-elected, piss on the people, it's all about My Election.

No 'Proof' before the voters for 2006, it's a waste of their efforts.