I actually like Matrox Parhelia!

[ShoooterMcGavin]

Mind you this is on a 2 monitor 1 television setup on a workstation for video.

So 3d aside.

My desktop has never looked so good! And Ive had Nvidia quadro, Radeon 9500, 9000, 8500, 7000ve.

I'm still a little suprised.

Shooter.

 

[Insomniak]

....

 

[Falloutboy]

Originally posted by: ShoooterMcGavin
Mind you this is on a 2 monitor 1 television setup on a workstation for video.

So 3d aside.

My desktop has never looked so good! And Ive had Nvidia quadro, Radeon 9500, 9000, 8500, 7000ve.

I'm still a little suprised.

Shooter.

I really wish some company would come out with a 3head vidcard with 9700ish performance. my tri monitor setup is great but 2 cards can get cranky sometimes

 

[Schadenfroh]

matrox is still the god of 2d and multiple displays

 

[BenSkywalker]

matrox is still the god of 2d and multiple displays

 

[ShoooterMcGavin]

Originally posted by: Falloutboy525


I really wish some company would come out with a 3head vidcard with 9700ish performance. my tri monitor setup is great but 2 cards can get cranky sometimes

I think some new barebones with the ATI IGP are meant to be able to utilize the onboard graphics with a dual head card quite well. It will be interesting to see if it performs good enough to keep up with a 9700+ card !?

Shooter

 

[blazer78]

might I add that matrox is also the god of anti-aliasing? (16x frag AA ne1??)

 

[nRollo]

I really wish Matrox would come out with a gaming card that competed again. I'd love to throw some money their way.

 

[BFG10K]

might I add that matrox is also the god of anti-aliasing? (16x frag AA ne1??)

Matrox's 16x FAA is quite sub-par compared to ATi's and nVidia's offerings.

I really wish Matrox would come out with a gaming card that competed again. I'd love to throw some money their way.

That's a rather strange comment coming from someone who picked up a 5800U to replace his superior 9800 Pro.

 

[nRollo]

That's a rather strange comment coming from someone who picked up a 5800U to replace his superior 9800 Pro.

If the Parhelia offered 5800U level performance, I would've bought that. We can't all hang on to our ATIs like grim death, BFG. Some people like to try new things.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Rollo

That's a rather strange comment coming from someone who picked up a 5800U to replace his superior 9800 Pro.

If the Parhelia offered 5800U level performance, I would've bought that. We can't all hang on to our ATIs like grim death, BFG. Some people like to try new things.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

might I add that matrox is also the god of anti-aliasing? (16x frag AA ne1??)

Matrox's 16x FAA is quite sub-par compared to ATi's and nVidia's offerings.

How so? It makes edges pretty much perfect, and it takes MUCH smaller performance hit than ATI/NV's offerings

 

[clicknext]

Oh there's no question that it's a good card if you don't look at 3D performance, but the price isnt very happy.

 

[ShoooterMcGavin]

Originally posted by: clicknext
Oh there's no question that it's a good card if you don't look at 3D performance, but the price isnt very happy.

Amen to that! $350 was a little too much even though it was company money...

And Rollo I understand your purchase, I don't think I would do it, but I understand it. I'm the sort of guy who still bids on Voodoo 4's and 5's on ebay :|

Shooter

 

[InlineFive]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

matrox is still the god of 2d and multiple displays

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

might I add that matrox is also the god of anti-aliasing? (16x frag AA ne1??)

Matrox's 16x FAA is quite sub-par compared to ATi's and nVidia's offerings.

I really wish Matrox would come out with a gaming card that competed again. I'd love to throw some money their way.

That's a rather strange comment coming from someone who picked up a 5800U to replace his superior 9800 Pro.

I'd probably do the same thing, I've had compatibility problems w/ my 9800 Pro.

 

[nRollo]

I'd probably do the same thing, I've had compatibility problems w/ my 9800 Pro.

And Rollo I understand your purchase, I don't think I would do it, but I understand it. I'm the sort of guy who still bids on Voodoo 4's and 5's on ebay

Woot! I'm starting a "Return to the Misunderstood, Obscure 5800" movement!

 

[BenSkywalker]

How so? It makes edges pretty much perfect, and it takes MUCH smaller performance hit than ATI/NV's offerings

If only it worked at all more frequently

 

[BFG10K]

If the Parhelia offered 5800U level performance, I would've bought that.

And what makes the 5800U's performance level so special that you've deemed that as the magic threshold that you aspire to?

We can't all hang on to our ATIs like grim death, BFG.

I'm certainly not going to willfully purchase inferior cards just to prove a point to someone. Since you've clearly demonstrated you are, the comment that you're avoiding the Parhelia on the grounds of performance is simply illogical.

I'd probably do the same thing, I've had compatibility problems w/ my 9800 Pro.

But that's not reason why he's doing it.

First he's dimissing DX9 performance left right and center on the grounds that hardly any games are out that use it. He's also claiming that the rest of the potential DX9 titles don't count because they aren't out yet.

And then to justify his 5800 purchase what does he use? Get this: Doom III performance, ONE game that isn't even out yet and not only that, we don't even have recent benchmarks for it.

Tell me if you consider that rational and unbiased behaviour?

How so? It makes edges pretty much perfect,

(1) Not all edges.
(2) Edges aren't the only thing AA should be taking care of.

and it takes MUCH smaller performance hit than ATI/NV's offerings

Because it doesn't actually do very much to begin with.

 

[nRollo]

And then to justify his 5800 purchase what does he use? Get this: Doom III performance, ONE game that isn't even out yet and not only that, we don't even have recent benchmarks for it.

Again, you know very well that Doom 3 performance is only one small aspect of why I bought the 5800.

No, to summarize the above posts, my reasons in order of personal importance:
1. I like to try out new video cards, and I've already promised a client I would sell him the 9800Pro for $150 by the end of June
2. I've always wanted to try a 5800Ultra, and I'm betting this will run at Ultra speeds due to costly cooling solution Abit put on it and 1Ghz RAM
3. Definite "cool hardware" factor to this card
4. It's an upgrade, albeit unnecessary, to my 4 year old's computer

Remember this from yesterday? I don't see any Doom 3 in there, and yet this is two threads you've stated that is my main reason for buying the 5800. I have stated I'm looking forward to Doom3 more than any other game this year, and that I'll be better off using a 5800 than a 9800 for that if it comes out before I get a nV40 or R420, but it's a small factor in the decision. It's just a cool card BFG. Dual heatpipes, outside exhaust, copper heatsinks, 1GHz RAM- this is the kind of stuff I'd put on a card if I could design one. Imagine how that thing would scream with all of the above and 256bit memory?

BTW- what's this

unbiased

stuff about? You know I have no brand loyalty. You know I've used ATI 15/16 months in my main rig. You know I'm waiting to see which is better of R420 and nV40 so I can make an unbiased choice. So where do you get that I'm "biased"?

 

[BFG10K]

I'm sorry Rollo, but your arguments simply don't hold any water. Here's why:

I like to try out new video cards,

Yet you don't touch the Parhelia because its slow. Or to paraphrase what you said, you don't touch it because it's not as fast as the 5800. So again the final result is that the 5800 is put on a pedestal by yourself for no apparent reason, exactly the same way when you purposefully ditched your superior 9700 Pro when you replaced it with a 5800 the first time around.

I've always wanted to try a 5800Ultra

What's so special about the 5800U other than your apparent emotional attachment to it?

and I'm betting this will run at Ultra speeds due to costly cooling solution Abit put on it and 1Ghz RAM

So?

Definite "cool hardware" factor to this card

Well OK, I can't really argue that point.

It's an upgrade, albeit unnecessary, to my 4 year old's computer

There are far better options to upgrade to. Also your 4 year old will hardly appreciate coolness factor and the ability to overclock to 1 GHz, will she?

I have stated I'm looking forward to Doom3 more than any other game this year, and that I'll be better off using a 5800 than a 9800 for that if it comes out before I get a nV40 or R420, but it's a small factor in the decision.

But it shouldn't be a factor at all using your logic because you choose to ignore the visible and multiple DX9 titles that are either here or are coming. So which is it Rollo? Do you we count unreleased titles or don't we? Or are we only allowed to count the titiles you choose when it fits into your nVidia loyalty?

You know I have no brand loyalty.

Actually I don't because if you didn't then you wouldn't be picking up 5800 for the reasons that you complain about other cards, not to mention that the upgrade path of 9700 Pro -> 5800 -> 9800 Pro -> 5800 cannot be explained in any other way except for brand loyalty and emotional attachment.

Think the 9700 Pro is too slow for AA and AF? Fine, then don't pay extra to get an even slower card like you did the first time.
Think that unreleased games don't count? Fine, then don't use Doom III to prove what a good decision you've made the second time around.

 

[nRollo]

BFG:

ctually I don't because if you didn't then you wouldn't be picking up 5800 for the reasons that you complain about other cards, not to mention that the upgrade path of 9700 Pro -> 5800 -> 9800 Pro -> 5800 cannot be explained in any other way except for brand loyalty and emotional attachment.

Or are we only allowed to count the titiles you choose when it fits into your nVidia loyalty?

When I had a TNT2, I sold it to buy a slower ATI Rage 32. When I had a GF1, I sold it to buy a slower ATI MAXX. When I had a GF2, I sold it to buy a slower ATI Radeon 32, which I sold to buy an also slower ATI Radeon VIVO. I sold the VIVO to buy an even slower V5. When I had a GF3, I sold it to buy a slower ATI 8500. (this was in the days 8500 drivers really suxored)
So you think I bought the 5800s out of brand loyalty to nVidia? Why did I buy the Rage, MAXX, Radeon 32DDR, Radeon VIVO, and 8500? I had faster nVidia cards before I bought all of these?

Like I said BFG, I like to buy and try out new video cards. The only one here with any brand loyalty is you. You seem to think that if a card has a little edge at something all the rest are worthless and inferior. If you don't think getting new hardware is fun, good for you. You shouldn't try to stereotype those of us who do like to try new hardware.

 

[nRollo]

Hmmm. Apparently the two times I bought a slower nVidia card when I had a faster ATI card are more interesting to BFG than the 5 times I bought a slower ATI card when I had a faster nVidia card already.

I wonder if it's because that kind of shoots his theory about me being biased toward nVidia down the tubes? You know, with me buying slower ATI cards 2.5 times as often?

 

[merlocka]

BFG = hardcore gamer in a monogomous relationship with the best available hardware
Rollo = hardcore hardware junky who likes to swing with various chipsets


C'mon guys, time to agree to disagree. Think of the saved bandwidth...

 

[BFG10K]

C'mon guys, time to agree to disagree.

Yeah I guess so. It looks like Rollo just really likes blowing a lot of money.