Hyundai Genesis Coupe to start at 22k.

[CRXican]

That was quite a rant mwmorph lol. My CRX was my first love and built very well and was a blast to drive. 0-60 isn't everything.

And just for the record, I no longer have the CRX but currently own a Miata and an Evolution VIII. You might say I like to drive.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: CRXican
That was quite a rant mwmorph lol. My CRX was my first love and built very well and was a blast to drive. 0-60 isn't everything.

And just for the record, I no longer have the CRX but currently own a Miata and an Evolution VIII. You might say I like to drive.

Sorry if I came on harsh, but I absolutely hate manufacturer sponsored racing on most levels. They're all use "pretend stock cars" to lure customers in on the basis of win on sunday, buy on monday", which is just a massive load of bull.

I have absolutely no respect, admiration nor love for any car in FormulaD, DTM, Nascar, ETC. F1/Open wheel I can let slide because they don't pretend the car is what it isn't (Williams-Toyota has the decency to call their car the FW-01, not the Camry), but all those other racing car groups race with cars resembling nothing close to what you can buy at a dealership or even attain from after market performance shops just prey on customer ignorance "Hey the Fusion/Charger/Camry won at Indy, I should buy on because it's so fast"

Also, if you ever see even extremely modded cars with dedicated, knowledgeable owners are always underperformers. For the gross numbers they put out, they never perform as well as they should as compared to if it was professionally sorted and adjusted by real engineers at a company.

You can boost your NSX to 500hp or your STI to 700, but without proper tuning, which is obviously a time consuming, precise process best done by a larger team, you're never going to get the best bperformance. I remember reading SportCompactCar back in 2006 or so and looking at the Ultimate Street Car Challenge.

Now remember, these are cars with upgraded suspensions to remove nose dive and body roll, turbos and superchargers, sticky, huge tires, disc brake rotors larger than your head, etc.

That means since they're just all tuned for performance and are about as uncomfortable as anything on the market, that you should get insane performance out of them right?

Somehow I remember the shortest braking from 60mph was 114 or 119 feet, which is good... if you're driving a 2003 Toyota Camry SE on stock tires, wheels, and brakes.

The other figures were similar, they dynoed well, did great burnouts but in the end, with all the man hours and money spent, none of them performed up to spec at all and at least 1 or 2 shredded or blew up something something and couldn't even finish the tests.

Now these guys were what most would call hardcore enthusiasts(most or were strongly tied to owned shops) and if they couldn't get a decent performance to discomfort/cost ratio, what's the point?

I could buy a $30k EVO and add $30K in mods over the course of a year, or I could buy a Corvette Z06 + some Pilot Sport PS2 or Sport Cups, which would outperform it in every dimension performance and comfort wise while being much more reliable, cheaper to insure and easier to find parts for (IIRC the 2008 USC challenge had a heavily modified EVO8 come in first in accel and even that was only 0.2-0.3s faster to 60 while 0.3-0.4s slower through the 1/4 mile compared to a Z06 with PS2s, probably even slower than a Z06 PS Cups.)

Call me crazy but the only racing events I support are spec classes, preferably stock spec like SCCA Miata spec or some AMA classes where what you race is actually what you buy.

I used to think modding was awesome, but I just cant support it anymore, for the most part, it's just an epenis contest about who can stuff the most carbon fiber in a car and matallic green color change paint and fint the most palces to put funnylooking stickers and roll kits.

Not matter the performance level, as a normal driver and not some part of a race team, there's a cheaper, faster stock version of a car that can be had now instead of 8 months from now when all the parts come in. Sure it won't be as flashy and wont have splitters but it'll be a hell of a lot better driving and more livable.

If you want to build a fast car, might as well build a kit car like the Factory Five GTM or Rossion Q1 (Noble M400 with updated body styling), which will be more "unique" and fun to drive since it'd designed from the ground up to handle the speeds and power that it's going to see.

OTOH, If you just want a fast car, you might as well just buy a fast car.

 

[shabby]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Call me crazy but the only racing events I support are spec classes, preferably stock spec like SCCA Miata spec or some AMA classes where what you race is actually what you buy.

Ditto, you really get an idea on how a car performs when it starts winning scca championships.
Gotta give gm credit for pulling off the z0k package for the solstice, its a race ready setup for the stock class, just add some 295 wide hoosiers and you're set.

I really wonder how the genesis will do in scca.

 

[Dari]

I don't understand where Hyundai is going with the Genesis. First they make a sedan to compete with the big boys then they come out with a poor man's coupe???

The price may be right for many, but their strategy is all over the map. BTW, the car is ugly.

 

[SandEagle]

i'd definitely debadge that mofo if i ever bought one.

 

[KDKPSJ]

Originally posted by: Dari
I don't understand where Hyundai is going with the Genesis. First they make a sedan to compete with the big boys then they come out with a poor man's coupe???

The price may be right for many, but their strategy is all over the map. BTW, the car is ugly.

Yes, they definately should've name it differently. In Korea, it makes sense because Hyundai launched Genesis brand. It's like Maserati calling two different cars one Coupe and another Quattroporte.

But in US market, it would've been better idea to come up with something since they didn't decide market it as Genesis brand.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: Dari
I don't understand where Hyundai is going with the Genesis. First they make a sedan to compete with the big boys then they come out with a poor man's coupe???

The price may be right for many, but their strategy is all over the map. BTW, the car is ugly.

I think the Genesis is supposed to be this "New Hyundai" thing for people that if arent enthusiasts, at least sort of care about cars.

The non Genesis Hyundais are mostly fairly nice utilitarian cars, FWD, 4 door or hatch/wagon, basic engine choices, etc.

The Hyundai Genesises(?)/Genesai(?) are the only Hyundai cars that sort of have sny semblance of passion and IIRC are the only RWD Hyundais right?

I mean the only other Hyundai with a semblance of personality is the Tiburon and that car is uncompetitive in today's market, having been designed for a market that dies years ago (to compete with the Integra/RSX, Celica, Prelude, DSM, FWD pocket rocket coupes etc)

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: mwmorph

Originally posted by: Dari
I don't understand where Hyundai is going with the Genesis. First they make a sedan to compete with the big boys then they come out with a poor man's coupe???

The price may be right for many, but their strategy is all over the map. BTW, the car is ugly.

I think the Genesis is supposed to be this "New Hyundai" thing for people that if arent enthusiasts, at least sort of care about cars.

The non Genesis Hyundais are mostly fairly nice utilitarian cars, FWD, 4 door or hatch/wagon, basic engine choices, etc.

The Hyundai Genesises(?)/Genesai(?) are the only Hyundai cars that sort of have sny semblance of passion and IIRC are the only RWD Hyundais right?

I mean the only other Hyundai with a semblance of personality is the Tiburon and that car is uncompetitive in today's market, having been designed for a market that dies years ago (to compete with the Integra/RSX, Celica, Prelude, DSM, FWD pocket rocket coupes etc)

The Tiburon has been simply called the 'Coupe' in other markets for some time. This is the 'Genesis Coupe' and in that context it makes more sense.

 

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
Sorry if I came on harsh, but I absolutely hate manufacturer sponsored racing on most levels. They're all use "pretend stock cars" to lure customers in on the basis of win on sunday, buy on monday", which is just a massive load of bull.

Pretty much any sort of professional racing is that way. As I mentioned the other day in the ZX-6R thread, a factory prepped race bike is not what you're buying off the showroom floor, just like a Porsche GT3 RS is nothing like a GT3 RSR. I've been yearning for a new motorcycle series that took bone stock bikes, removed the lights, replaced the fairing, and everything else had to be stock...that'll never happen though.

Still, it is a place for the mfr's to show what their vehicles are capable of, and I for one thoroughly enjoy it (well, all except stock car racing).