Hypothetical- Trump shoots Comey. Reps don't impeach. Trump can't be touched

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Thunder 57

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Name one single time Republicans have gone against Trump supporters

ACA.

District of Columbia is federal jurisdiction, meaning Trump has the authority to pardon all offenses that happen within it. Since he's claiming the power to pardon himself as well it's a simple A -> B. He's claiming he could have walked into FBI headquarters, murdered Comey, and then pardoned himself. Sure Congress could then impeach him but he would still be literally getting away with murder. That's what he's claiming the power to do.

Claiming to have the power and actually having the power are different things.

Lest we forget his supporters wouldn't care if Trump did it.

Do you really believe that? I'm sure you'll have some fringe nutjobs that wouldn't care, but I think the overwhelming majority would.
 

Jhhnn

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The only way for America to move forward is to impeach the entire administration. Paul Ryan as POTUS might not be the best but he at least isn't in Russia's pocket.

I won't disagree with the sentiment but I seriously doubt Mueller's report will come out before the election. Nancy Pelosi might be Speaker.

Pence is an outsider to the Trump machine. He mostly smiled, waved & read from the script. I suspect he'll survive no matter what else happens.
 

Thunder 57

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I won't disagree with the sentiment but I seriously doubt Mueller's report will come out before the election. Nancy Pelosi might be Speaker.

Pence is an outsider to the Trump machine. He mostly smiled, waved & read from the script. I suspect he'll survive no matter what else happens.

Wait, are you suggesting that we could have President Pelosi?
 

pcgeek11

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The president contemplating pardoning himself doesnt suggest the sky is falling in your book?
Lets play this out : Trump pardons him self right now. What is your stance on this, how will you act.

He cannot pardon himself, he isn't even charged with a crime.

I stated my personal stance on this pardon bs earlier. Go back and read.
 

HomerJS

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He cannot pardon himself, he isn't even charged with a crime.

I stated my personal stance on this pardon bs earlier. Go back and read.
He can step down temporarily with a letter under the 25A, Pence can pardon him. Trump then signs return letter and is back in business.
 

pcgeek11

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He can step down temporarily with a letter under the 25A, Pence can pardon him. Trump then signs return letter and is back in business.

Hey, I know what if Trump has colluded with aliens from another planet and they are going to attack congress and wipe them out for Trump and he can take over all the other countries with their help and rule the entire world not just the USA. It could happen man, really.

You guys are insane with all the wild speculation going on.

It is good for a laugh though.
 

nickqt

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Hey, I know what if Trump has colluded with aliens from another planet and they are going to attack congress and wipe them out for Trump and he can take over all the other countries with their help and rule the entire world not just the USA. It could happen man, really.

You guys are insane with all the wild speculation going on.

It is good for a laugh though.
You speaking like a 4th grader to defend Strongman Trump is especially hilarious.

Keep on keepin' on.
 

pcgeek11

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You speaking like a 4th grader to defend Strongman Trump is especially hilarious.

Keep on keepin' on.

It makes as much sense as the other things posted in this thread.

Trump shooting Comey.

Trump shooting everybody in Congress.

Trump getting the military to surround the capital to protect him from impeachment.

Trump getting his supporters to arm themselves to protect him and take over the government.

And then this:

He can step down temporarily with a letter under the 25A, Pence can pardon him. Trump then signs return letter and is back in business.

And those sound rational to you?

I'm making fun of all the insanity. I will keep on, keepin' on.
 
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sportage

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Just imagine the day when Trump is over.
He is either impeached, replaced, defeated, whatever...
But just think ahead of that day when Donald Trump is gone and no more.
Yes, that day will come.
Then, the long process of repairing America will begin.
Bigots forced back into their closets. Equality restored. The US Supreme court redirected back into what it was meant to be. Granted, that redirection will be a long process indeed, but regardless it will happen.

One can only imagine what America will look like AFTER the repair process completes.
Will the voice of the free and brave become so loud it shall forever drown out racism and bigotry?
Will the voice of the free and the brave finally ensure us common sensed gun control?
Will science and technology finally break free from Trump era shackles to lead us all into a future of unimaginable progress for all?

Going from past history, Trump will come to pass along with everything bad he hath created. From everything bad he hath temporally imposed.

Donald Trump can do whatever he likes until the midterms come along to stop him.
It that fails, do whatever he wants until 2020 stops him.
And should that also fail, do whatever he wants until his finale come 2024.
And if all else fails, we have one assured solution remaining....
Donald Trump the old man. A man of mortal earthly bounds. A man bound by the laws of nature. And no amount of wealth, fame, or power can change that.
Unless Donald Trump is god himself, Donald's time on this earth will one day expire.
If political corrections can not end Donald Trump, then nature itself will have the final say.
THAT, Donald Trump can not con his way out of.

So, we should all imagine a day without Donald Trump in the oval office.
Or as dictator if his efforts lead to that.
Imaging a day without Donald is actually quite easy to do.
 
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nickqt

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It makes as much sense as the other things posted in this thread.

Trump shooting Comey.

Trump shooting everybody in Congress.

Trump getting the military to surround the capital to protect him from impeachment.

Trump getting his supporters to arm themselves to protect him and take over the government.

And then this:

He can step down temporarily with a letter under the 25A, Pence can pardon him. Trump then signs return letter and is back in business.

And those sound rational to you?

I'm making fun of all the insanity. I will keep on, keepin' on.
Strongman Trump's attorney said that, well, Strongman Trump can murder someone, and if Congress doesn't impeach him, well, go fuck yourself.

Not me. Not strawman libruuul blogger.

Strongman Trump's attorney.

Then, Strongman Trump went and said that he can fucking pardon himself.

If you want to keep on pretending that you wouldn't be fucking monstrously outraged if some America-hatin' DemonCrat said that, go the fuck ahead.

Just realize, that your keepin' on to keep on, is apologizing. If you're cool with that, well, then, keep on keepin' on man. History loves champs like you.
 
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HomerJS

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It makes as much sense as the other things posted in this thread.

Trump shooting Comey.

Trump shooting everybody in Congress.

Trump getting the military to surround the capital to protect him from impeachment.

Trump getting his supporters to arm themselves to protect him and take over the government.

And then this:

He can step down temporarily with a letter under the 25A, Pence can pardon him. Trump then signs return letter and is back in business.

And those sound rational to you?

I'm making fun of all the insanity. I will keep on, keepin' on.
I don't get it. This administration has been literally raining insanity and ridiculousness. We propose more of the same and you call us crazy??

The point you fail to comprehend we all know these scenarios are unthinkable and borderline insane in any administration except this one.
 

fskimospy

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It makes as much sense as the other things posted in this thread.

Trump shooting Comey.

Trump shooting everybody in Congress.

Trump getting the military to surround the capital to protect him from impeachment.

Trump getting his supporters to arm themselves to protect him and take over the government.

And then this:

He can step down temporarily with a letter under the 25A, Pence can pardon him. Trump then signs return letter and is back in business.

And those sound rational to you?

I'm making fun of all the insanity. I will keep on, keepin' on.

It’s bizarre that you think discussing the things that Trump and his attorney publicly state is insane. Can you explain this?
 
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It sounds weird but it sounds right too. Basically a balance of power thing.
More recent comparison would be someone murders someone else, Police refuse or AG refuses to investigate or issue charges.
Pretty much the same as the President killing someone and the court that needs to hold him accountable doesn’t act.

I do not think the above scenario is a realistic thing to think would happen.
 

glenn1

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I don't get it. This administration has been literally raining insanity and ridiculousness. We propose more of the same and you call us crazy??

The point you fail to comprehend we all know these scenarios are unthinkable and borderline insane in any administration except this one.

Yeah, completely unthinkable. Except for when it was thought about Clinton, Dubya, Reagan, etc.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-bl...n-office-bush-will-pardon-himself-and-cheney-

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_.../12/can_president_clinton_pardon_himself.html

https://www.csmonitor.com/1988/0517/epard.html
 

Jhhnn

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While I agree that a lot of the stuff in this thread is far fetched it's important to remember that no previous president in office or their lawyer has publicly floated the idea that the President can pardon themselves. The notion is absurd but it dovetails nicely with the absurdity of Trump as President.

It's also immaterial when it comes to impeachment. No president can pardon themselves out of that.
 

glenn1

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While I agree that a lot of the stuff in this thread is far fetched it's important to remember that no previous president in office or their lawyer has publicly floated the idea that the President can pardon themselves. The notion is absurd but it dovetails nicely with the absurdity of Trump as President.

It's also immaterial when it comes to impeachment. No president can pardon themselves out of that.

No argument that no POTUS or his staff have floated the idea since Nixon but it's hardly unprecedented to be floated by others as my links showed. Yet no effort has been made to amend the Constitution to avoid even the possibility, that to me says that lack of action was itself a choice. Hell if it wasn't done 45 years ago when Nixon was directly asking the question that speaks volumes.
 
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No argument that no POTUS or his staff have floated the idea since Nixon but it's hardly unprecedented to be floated by others as my links showed. Yet no effort has been made to amend the Constitution to avoid even the possibility, that to me says that lack of action was itself a choice. Hell if it wasn't done 45 years ago when Nixon was directly asking the question that speaks volumes.

I agree with you, I don’t want a ruling on this it’s better being left vague and expecting both Congress & the President act appropriately.
Interesting theoretical I heard was what if the VP is impeached, it’s in his job description to preside over Congress, what if his vote was required to break a tie?
All sorts of crazy stuff could happen.
 

dank69

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No argument that no POTUS or his staff have floated the idea since Nixon but it's hardly unprecedented to be floated by others as my links showed. Yet no effort has been made to amend the Constitution to avoid even the possibility, that to me says that lack of action was itself a choice. Hell if it wasn't done 45 years ago when Nixon was directly asking the question that speaks volumes.
Because random people floating the idea is the same as the actual POTUS floating it.
 

Jhhnn

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No argument that no POTUS or his staff have floated the idea since Nixon but it's hardly unprecedented to be floated by others as my links showed. Yet no effort has been made to amend the Constitution to avoid even the possibility, that to me says that lack of action was itself a choice. Hell if it wasn't done 45 years ago when Nixon was directly asking the question that speaks volumes.

I already pointed out the reason a self-pardon won't fly, an underlying principle of the Law itself.

Nemo iudex in causa sua - Wikipedia

It really doesn't matter, anyway, because it has no effect on impeachment.