Originally posted by: Nitemare
Suicide is illegal? What are they going to do bring your body to court and sentence you?
Originally posted by: hellokeith
Originally posted by: soulcougher73
How about we recognize that abortions will happen anyway regardless of law and that making it illegal will only result in more women seeking unsafe abortions and dying?
Fixed
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
I think the real question we should be asking is: What drives people into situations where they are desperate enough to kill themselves or get an abortion?
What people are fighting over now is when a baby is considered a living object. Catholics believe it's the point of conception (penis + vagina + baby batter = screwed). Others believe that killiing something that does not even have heart beat yet, is not killing at all.
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
I think the real question we should be asking is: What drives people into situations where they are desperate enough to kill themselves or get an abortion?
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: zinfamous
You assume that women who choose to have an abortion think it is a happy occasion, and perhaps one worth repeating.
Of course, many people here think you are wrong...
I assumed nothing. And you failed terribly at putting words into my mouth. I said "specified" time, meaning not always/
Amazingly (though not surprisingly), you disregard the intent of my response and ignore the issue that I am addressing with your comment. I guess quoting me out of context is one manner of your attack, a method of confusing the issue and distorting general perception.
Here is your comment that I am responding to:
Funny how you never responded to the fact that I said the primary reason behind pro-abortion opinions is simply the right to choose, a liberal attack line.
now, looking at my response that you quoted, how does my response seem relevant in regard to time of life? I'm responding to your confusion over the values of pro choice, versus the perverted interpretation of that issue into one of pro-abortion.
again, learn to read, contextualize, and you might be worthwhile in a debate. You certainly aren't at this point.
so, to re-clarify: There is no pro-abortion opinion; at least not in liberal, pro-choice circles. PRO-CHOICE /= PRO-ABORTION[/b]
Do you honestly think that the majority of women who choose abortions do so happily? That they will continue to abort fetuses because they derive so much pleasure?
You can waste as much time as you want claiming that "so many women use abortion as birth control," without ever backing up this worthless opinion, then responding to calls to present your data with "can't prove a negative, nah nah nah nah boo boo."
Of course, you would probably never realize that claiming such an activity is prevalent and statistically significant puts the burden of proof on you to back up this claim. Otherwise, the argument is invalid and unworthy of debate, much less support for policy.
Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
I think the real question we should be asking is: What drives people into situations where they are desperate enough to kill themselves or get an abortion?
hmm... this too!
Originally posted by: zerocool84
Why isn't this in P&N???
Originally posted by: villageidiot111
If murder is illegal, why isn't the death penalty?
Wiki
Murder is the unlawful killing of another human person with malice aforethought, as defined in Common Law countries. Murder is generally distinguished from other forms of homicide by the elements of malice aforethought and the lack of lawful justification.
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
I think the real question we should be asking is: What drives people into situations where they are desperate enough to kill themselves or get an abortion?
hmm... this too!
Uhh..the parasite living in their bodies that is unwanted?
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
I think the real question we should be asking is: What drives people into situations where they are desperate enough to kill themselves or get an abortion?
hmm... this too!
Uhh..the parasite living in their bodies that is unwanted?
Wrong. You want to go back further:
Why'd the girl get knocked up in the first place?
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: zinfamous
You assume that women who choose to have an abortion think it is a happy occasion, and perhaps one worth repeating.
Of course, many people here think you are wrong...
I assumed nothing. And you failed terribly at putting words into my mouth. I said "specified" time, meaning not always/
Amazingly (though not surprisingly), you disregard the intent of my response and ignore the issue that I am addressing with your comment. I guess quoting me out of context is one manner of your attack, a method of confusing the issue and distorting general perception.
Here is your comment that I am responding to:
Funny how you never responded to the fact that I said the primary reason behind pro-abortion opinions is simply the right to choose, a liberal attack line.
now, looking at my response that you quoted, how does my response seem relevant in regard to time of life? I'm responding to your confusion over the values of pro choice, versus the perverted interpretation of that issue into one of pro-abortion.
again, learn to read, contextualize, and you might be worthwhile in a debate. You certainly aren't at this point.
so, to re-clarify: There is no pro-abortion opinion; at least not in liberal, pro-choice circles. PRO-CHOICE /= PRO-ABORTION[/b]
Do you honestly think that the majority of women who choose abortions do so happily? That they will continue to abort fetuses because they derive so much pleasure?
You can waste as much time as you want claiming that "so many women use abortion as birth control," without ever backing up this worthless opinion, then responding to calls to present your data with "can't prove a negative, nah nah nah nah boo boo."
Of course, you would probably never realize that claiming such an activity is prevalent and statistically significant puts the burden of proof on you to back up this claim. Otherwise, the argument is invalid and unworthy of debate, much less support for policy.
Originally posted by: KeithTalent
Originally posted by: Dari
The problem with this thread is that there aren't enough inputs from women.
I've never met a woman that was not pro-choice some degree.
KT
Originally posted by: Dari
The problem with this thread is that there aren't enough inputs from women.
:thumbsup:Originally posted by: Deeko
I nominate this for stupidest thread of the century if you really think this will be a logical discussion and not a flamewar.
It's actually very simple. Without getting into my opinions on the subject, those that support legal abortions do not consider a zygote/fetus to be a human, and therefore, it is not murder.
Also, are you seriously dumb enough to think it's a "cut and dry case"? Have you ever watched a political debate?
edit: also, why is your point of reference suicide? Most people would go to murder as being a more apt comparison since abortion is much more akin to killing another person than yourself. I get the whole "right to choose/its my body why can't I have an abortion or kill myself" thing you're going for, but wow. I stand by my first statement (dumbest thread of the century).
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
Originally posted by: TruePaige
Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: Spartan Niner
I think the real question we should be asking is: What drives people into situations where they are desperate enough to kill themselves or get an abortion?
hmm... this too!
Uhh..the parasite living in their bodies that is unwanted?
Wrong. You want to go back further:
Why'd the girl get knocked up in the first place?
