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Hydrogen pill invented

i wonder how many miles per gallon of ammonia you could get?

i guess your fuel tank could be a honey comb structure of these pills

how do you get the right amount of catalyst to each pill over the course of driving?
 
What exactly constitutes a "shot" of ammonia? Does this mean there will be a "tank" full of these in a car and I would pull up to a station that dispenses ammonia? Not sure I understand the concepts involved here, but I'm no chemical engineer either.
 
From what I've understood you can make the it in any shape you want. When the NH3 is released from the salt it creates a "tunnel" so that those molecules deeper inside the structure easily can escape, which is a huge difference from the currently used metal an-hydrids.

There's been quite alot about them in the media over here.
 
Making society independent of fossil fuels - Danish researchers reveal new technology - 07.09.05

everybody is so freakin retarted and think they know what they are talking about with energy. This makes so much sense because hydrogen is everywhere and we can cheaply put as much as we want into pills.

cheapest way to get H2 is to derive it from methane(natural gas)...or you could derive it from other sources such as water, at a huge energy cost, by using oil or coal.

the oly alternatives to fossil fuel are fusion and fission
 
Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer

the oly alternatives to fossil fuel are fusion and fission

but you could use quite a lot of solar, wind and water when you have an efficient way of storing energy. It's just a matter of investing in it. And sure it's cheaper to use gas ATM, but it will not be for ever.
 
Originally posted by: ElFenix
i wonder how many miles per gallon of ammonia you could get?

i guess your fuel tank could be a honey comb structure of these pills

how do you get the right amount of catalyst to each pill over the course of driving?
good questions, I'd like to know as well
 
Originally posted by: BriGy86
now all we need to do is keep the oil companies from buying the patent from who ever has the writes to it

Danish Technological University holds the patent. They were waiting 6 months on it before releasing the info.
 
Originally posted by: JinLien

How much energy does it take to produce these hydrogen pill?

They've estimated a production price of $1.5/kg. But I don't know how refill would work and be priced.
 
Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: BriGy86
now all we need to do is keep the oil companies from buying the patent from who ever has the writes to it

Danish Technological University holds the patent. They were waiting 6 months on it before releasing the info.

well i spose it just depends weather they would like to do something good for most everyone on earth (keep the patent out of the greedy oil companies hands), or want to make a quick dollar (sell the patent to one of the oil companies)

i heard something like that happend with an engine that ran on corn oil
 
Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: BriGy86
now all we need to do is keep the oil companies from buying the patent from who ever has the writes to it

Danish Technological University holds the patent. They were waiting 6 months on it before releasing the info.

u think they are worried? if anyone really turns ot hydrogen much ofit will be made using oil...
 
Sigh....

People just don't get it, no matter how many times you explain it. Hydrogen will not make us independent from oil... oil is an energy source AND an energy carrier, hydrogen is just an energy carrier. We have to use energy derived from power plants to produce combustable hydrogen. And the vast, vast majority of our power plants get electricity from oil and coal.

To be independent from oil, we need more power plants that use energy from wind, solar and nuclear sources. So THAT is the first step in becoming indepedent from oil, not producing a new way to transport hydrogen. Sure it's important, but its nothing compared to the huge task of getting the same amount of energy from wind, solar and nuclear sources that we now get from oil and coal.
 
Originally posted by: BriGy86
Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: BriGy86
now all we need to do is keep the oil companies from buying the patent from who ever has the writes to it

Danish Technological University holds the patent. They were waiting 6 months on it before releasing the info.

well i spose it just depends weather they would like to do something good for most everyone on earth (keep the patent out of the greedy oil companies hands), or want to make a quick dollar (sell the patent to one of the oil companies)

i heard something like that happend with an engine that ran on corn oil

actually the scientist said that the patent needed to be kept really open if it should ever be used in public, and make an impact on our society. And luckily the University is owned by the danish state, but I don't know exactly how they handle patent rights.
 
Originally posted by: JinLien

How much energy does it take to produce these hydrogen pill?

internal combustion engines are about 35% efficient, mabe 40% with htdrogen instead of octane. (efficient = conversion of chemical energy > mechanical)

octane is very cheap to extract from crude oil. ammonia is pretty cheap to. however, you lose energy in catalyzing the hydrogen out of ammonia, and then it has to be burnt like octane. the energy density in the ammonia pellets is a lot less than in gasoline(they are metal, catalysts, and ammonia, not hydrogen), so the milage will not be nearly as good. these pellets are also way more expensive to make and supply. (catalysts of this sort often have expensive metals like platinum)

this is not the answer to any oil shortage or gas pricwe problems. quit hyping it up people
 
Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: BriGy86
Originally posted by: biostud
Originally posted by: BriGy86
now all we need to do is keep the oil companies from buying the patent from who ever has the writes to it

Danish Technological University holds the patent. They were waiting 6 months on it before releasing the info.

well i spose it just depends weather they would like to do something good for most everyone on earth (keep the patent out of the greedy oil companies hands), or want to make a quick dollar (sell the patent to one of the oil companies)

i heard something like that happend with an engine that ran on corn oil

actually the scientist said that the patent needed to be kept really open if it should ever be used in public, and make an impact on our society. And luckily the University is owned by the danish state, but I don't know exactly how they handle patent rights.

thats exactly what we need, some one with the rights to the patent that wont get over come with greed and start raping people for money to use the technology
 
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