Hybrid vs. Electric vs. Plug-In Hybrid — What's the Difference?

FelixDeCat

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I came across a good video explaining the different types of EVs, including window sticker information and who the different types are best for:

EV - Pure electric vehicle.

PHEV - Plug in hybrid vehicle. Needs to be plugged in every night. Runs off battery unless additional power is needed and requires gasoline engine to activate.

HEV - Hybrid electric vehicle. Runs only on gasoline. Stores energy to be used when vehicle moves from a standstill where a lot of energy is used to get the vehicle moving in the first place. Once the vehicle is moving, the gasoline engine turns on to maintain momentum and provide power.


 
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FelixDeCat

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There are probably a lot of people who did not have a clear idea of the different types of electrified vehicles out there and what to look for on a window sticker when you buy a new car.

Im willing to bet someone out there got something out of this.

I did. :)
 

BonzaiDuck

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Yes -- I was "out there" and I "got something" from it. It clarifies the options and prospects.

I know someone who bought a Prius maybe ten years ago -- when did they first introduce the Prius? She says she gets about 70 MPG more or less with it.

I don't like being forced to a decision about these options in a hurry. I know doctors who drive Teslas. My dentist drives a Hyundai SUV -- gasoline-powered. Meanwhile, my carbon-footprint with my 26-year-old Trooper is about as low as it gets, despite getting 15 MPG on average. It's my comfort-luxury ride and my "insurance" to avoid making any hurried decision that might not even be necessary. I'm old enough in the actuarial dimension that I could just f***ing die in the next ten years before the Trooper is ready for the car-crusher.

The Great Petroleum Culture of the West -- if it were a living, breathing entity -- has been in no hurry to break free from its oil addiction. And the market mechanisms, the sunk-cost of the existing road-worthy fleet and the reticence of people who came of age when Tom Wolfe published his "Candy-Colored Tangerine-Flake Streamline Baby" masterpiece all work together to assure that gasoline stations will persist for a while and charging stations will only proliferate gradually.

When I buy another used car, a low-mileage "pre-owned" car or a brand-new car, I'd prefer to break free from petroleum all at once. I may keep -- and drive -- my Trooper and our 95 Nissan pickup if we don't sell it. But if I invest in another vehicle at all, I'd prefer that it won't need any gasoline.

That new Ford Mustang Mach-E has my eye as representative of possibilities for being spoiled by my old Trooper. When can I buy one as "pre-owned"?
 
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kipmc7

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I came across a good video explaining the different types of EVs, including window sticker information and who the different types are best for:

EV - Pure electric vehicle.

PHEV - Plug in hybrid vehicle. Needs to be plugged in every night. Runs off battery unless additional power is needed and requires gasoline engine to activate.

HEV - Hybrid electric vehicle. Runs only on gasoline. Stores energy to be used when vehicle moves from a standstill where a lot of energy is used to get the vehicle moving in the first place. Once the vehicle is moving, the gasoline engine turns on to maintain momentum and provide power.




A PHEV does NOT need to be plugged in every night! I have a Hyundai Sonata Plug-In Hybrid. I CAN plug it if if I want to ( And that is usually a good idea) It has both an electric motor and a gas motor. It can run on either or both. It always keeps some power in the battery to add horsepower when needed. With a full charge it can go around 27 miles on pure electric power and not use any gas but that is just in theory. It almost never does that it uses both the gas engine and the electric motor. I could never plug it in if I wanted. The gas motor will charge up the battery so it has some power when it needs it.
 

FelixDeCat

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A PHEV does NOT need to be plugged in every night! I have a Hyundai Sonata Plug-In Hybrid. I CAN plug it if if I want to ( And that is usually a good idea) It has both an electric motor and a gas motor. It can run on either or both. It always keeps some power in the battery to add horsepower when needed. With a full charge it can go around 27 miles on pure electric power and not use any gas but that is just in theory. It almost never does that it uses both the gas engine and the electric motor. I could never plug it in if I wanted. The gas motor will charge up the battery so it has some power when it needs it.

Thanks for your input kipmc7. This is the kind of real world experience I like to read about. I own a Hyundai with interest in possibly buying another. The information posted is from the video. I think they were referring to ideal circumstances where a PHEV would be more reliant on the electric vs gas engine in city use.

Over all what kind of MPG do you get?
 
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NutBucket

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Only a moron would spend more money for PHEV only to never plug it in.

Oh wait, we're talking about the general public...
 
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FelixDeCat

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That is a shame. Why restrict advances in technology because you favor one method of propulsion over another? As we have seen with the recent grid failure in Texas, it is wise to diversify your sources of energy.

Assuming you do not have access to solar power, a generator or an above ground fuel storage tank with fresh fuel, you will be at the mercy of fat cats to maintain a reliable energy grid that is not OVER TAXED by millions of new fully electric homes and cars coming online like we are starting to see in Texas

Everyone and their sister is moving to Texas and bringing their energy demands with them. Thankfully this state will likely be the last state to ever mandate fully electric vehicle usage, but if NY and CA require them its likely big automakers will simply make more of those over PHEVs or gasoline hybrids.

Misguided over attempts to supposedly help the environment will drive us to a realization one day that privately owned vehicles can no longer be legal and everyone will be forced to walk or take mass transit. This obviously will not work in the suburban sprawl of Texas.

I used mass transit on a daily basis when I was very young and its a grueling nightmare if you are not in the mood for it. Nothing but a hassle.
 

Torn Mind

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That is a shame. Why restrict advances in technology because you favor one method of propulsion over another? As we have seen with the recent grid failure in Texas, it is wise to diversify your sources of energy.

Assuming you do not have access to solar power, a generator or an above ground fuel storage tank with fresh fuel, you will be at the mercy of fat cats to maintain a reliable energy grid that is not OVER TAXED by millions of new fully electric homes and cars coming online like we are starting to see in Texas

Everyone and their sister is moving to Texas and bringing their energy demands with them. Thankfully this state will likely be the last state to ever mandate fully electric vehicle usage, but if NY and CA require them its likely big automakers will simply make more of those over PHEVs or gasoline hybrids.

Misguided over attempts to supposedly help the environment will drive us to a realization one day that privately owned vehicles can no longer be legal and everyone will be forced to walk or take mass transit. This obviously will not work in the suburban sprawl of Texas.

I used mass transit on a daily basis when I was very young and its a grueling nightmare if you are not in the mood for it. Nothing but a hassle.
Euros fucked themselves using diesel and are now wholesale aiming to "clean the air" of their old and narrow-roaded cities of all local emissions whatsoever....

Ban or no ban, they tax gas so much it might as well be one....that's how diesel won out there in the first place.

They'll still be Russia's energy bitch, but maybe not under the sway of the middle East as much.


However, Mr. Felis Catus, I would say suburban sprawl Texas is more than ready for EVs, far more than some cramped city like NY or a CA city like San Fran.
EVs are seamlessly perfect for suburbia(both ruralish and cramped) and sprawled areas. SFHs and townhouses with garage fit them like a perfect glove; plug and play like a big phone. 120v power is the most economical source of juice, requiring no expeditures(sure, 240v can be added but it is a luxury). Got too far into the "city" with highrises, cramped street paking, etc, and sudden the EVs becomes a tad more inconvenient and expensive to power. There also needs to be loads and loads of copper laid down in a NYC; roads torn up, asphalt paved. Not so with suburbia.

Many NYers don't even have cars, their city is so packed and able to sustain a subway system that way. But those economic circumstances and environment doesn't exist everywhere since not every place is going to have a Wall Street and and a big bunch of millionaires.
 

Heartbreaker

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Well not so much get rid of them as stop giving them special treatment. Which is reasonable when they are used to green wash things like the X5 xDrive45e, which only get 20 MPG when the short range battery runs out. In the EU, I think it's claimed MPG is 200 MPG. o_O

A regular Rav4 Hybrid, get double that (40 MPG not 400 MPG).